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It's pretty safe to say that a founding clan would not be revoked except under the most extraordinary of circumstances, for fear of the precedent it might set if nothing else.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
It's pretty safe to say that a founding clan would not be revoked except under the most extraordinary of circumstances, for fear of the precedent it might set if nothing else.
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For the IN nabbing issue, just suggest that IN's will marry into Uchiha when they become of age, same deal as keiko.
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Aren't bloodlines the single most jealously guarded things that clans with them have? I can't imagine any of the other clans just giving their bloodline to another. Although I'm not sure we know what happens when two bloodline limit holders marry. Maybe there's a prenuptual agreement in such cases that children of such unions go to the appropriate clan depending on which limit they develop? That's how I'd suspect it works. We certainly haven't seen people in clans with bloodline limits from other clans, the bloodlines seem very clan restricted.
What if we counteroffer with ninja children but not ones with bloodlines, except for Sharingan children because they have a reasonable point there and the kids might actually be better off raised in a clan that understands what they can do?
What if we counteroffer with ninja children but not ones with bloodlines, except for Sharingan children because they have a reasonable point there and the kids might actually be better off raised in a clan that understands what they can do?
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Just to make sure I understand, you're saying:
- Sharingan children -> Uchiha
- IN children -> Goketsu
- no-bloodline children still ninja-capable -> Uchiha
Is this correct?
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Look folks.
We can just take the deal for now and flip the tables in 2-3 years with some stupidly ludicrous offer they literally cannot refuse. Simple as that.
Give them a summoning scroll, an armor jutsu, a kajillion dollars, whatever super seals we'll have invented by then.
Just make sure we spend enough time on the way there to actually find a good bargaining chip beforehand.
We can just take the deal for now and flip the tables in 2-3 years with some stupidly ludicrous offer they literally cannot refuse. Simple as that.
Give them a summoning scroll, an armor jutsu, a kajillion dollars, whatever super seals we'll have invented by then.
Just make sure we spend enough time on the way there to actually find a good bargaining chip beforehand.
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I'm concerned that the Uchiha are more focused on getting the Kurosawa bloodline back under their control, at least partially. I think that was a thing, way back when.
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Yes, that's my proposal. Sure, the Uchiha might want the Iron Nerve, but what they need to survive are ninja.
I do not believe we can guarantee that we can change a deal we make now later. Bloodlines are worth more than practically anything.
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So the Uchiha are getting IN with near certainly in this deal. @MMKII has a good point that we will likely be able to buy them out of it in three years, but for now it is best to proceed assuming we have to go through with it. So we now need to decide what to do about it. Note IN sharigans don't breed true, but we do not know if that will be the case for IN sharigans where the mother is a Uchiha.
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The Mist Kurosawa will still be a thing. This just means "now 3 clans have IN instead of only 2".
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A point in favor of keeping the Iron Nerve in house is that we're planning on taking over/changing the world in no small part with seals. A bevy of Iron Nerve sealmasters in Goketsu and no where else in Leaf could make us unbelievably wealthy and powerful, a springboard to dominate Leaf politics and accomplish whatever we want as Hazou goes into middle age.
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The civilians will remember this. Hazou's generosity and concern for civilian welfare is a definite outlier among ninja clans and, while civilians don't have much political power, urbanite civilians do wield considerable economic power. Given these are people who were displaced when a force wall cut through several high-end shops (Sealmasters make tons of money = good sealing paper is expensive), they can afford to live in the commercial district of one of the richest per-capita cities in Fire. It wouldn't surprise me if among the rescued was someone whose cousin is on the Merchant Council, meets regularly with the daimyo, or the like. And that's not counting the (thousands?) who now owe their lives to Naruto.
Mari is getting progressively worse and it feels like Hazou's stats render him unable to mitigate this. The only solution that comes to mind is an armor-piercing question that bypasses her stats and forces her to re-evaluate (bearing in mind that New!Mari has a set of values which may not entirely align with Old!Mari) the consequences of spamming Truth Lost in the Fog.
Mari is getting progressively worse and it feels like Hazou's stats render him unable to mitigate this. The only solution that comes to mind is an armor-piercing question that bypasses her stats and forces her to re-evaluate (bearing in mind that New!Mari has a set of values which may not entirely align with Old!Mari) the consequences of spamming Truth Lost in the Fog.
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That's uh, that's pretty horrifying no lie. Hazo just got whored out for political gain, and will likely deal with years of heartache giving up multiple kids to the Uchiha, as well as any potential sharingan wielding children later down the line. God damn.....well it is a good trade deal....
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@eaglejarl what color where Mari's eyes when she delivered the Uchiha deal
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Keep in mind that IN being used for sealing is a clan secret. Theres no reason for us to tell the Uchiha about it. We can bypass the issue by teaching all our kids sealing, and saying that the reason few of them die horribly young deaths is a clan secret.
We'll be the mad scientists of leaf. Seals all the way bb
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Oh yeah, I guess that polygamy/harem actually did happen after all.
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This, so much this, i concur one hundred percent.
Also, of course this is not their morality, neither is Uplift, we're still doing it.
"People do it" can only brings you so far.
"We're totally going to find another way after" is an cop-out in my opinion.
If we can, then we don't actually need the deal.
By that reasoning we can do everything, because later we can deus ex machina a way out of the problem.
This is a moral choice and i feel that accepting is a statement about Hazou character: That he's just like the elders that exiled his family, using his own flesh and blood as pawn to be discarded for his politics.
Also, it's disgusting in and on itself, aside from giving the Uchiha the iron nerve.(That it's just ridiculous, they are trying to use the vote as a way to buy a bloodline).
I feel Hazou is better than this, both because he's a better man and that he can find another way, or at least he can try.
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The adoption limit is for civilians, the people were adopting are from a clan, they're just no ninja. The limit doesn't effect them because they're already classified as clan members for tax purposes so switching clans doesn't change anything.
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Uplift is just the mindset that civilians are people too, and that the world could/should be better. It doesn't stop Hazuo from recognizing that this will improve those girls lives, that they likely volunteered for this (remember, npcs have agency too.), and that it will make uplift as a whole much easier. This is how we strengthen our power base so that warmongers like Hiashi can't kill us after one wrong move.
This is leaving a legacy that will continue to improve the world after we leave. Tying such a strong clan/bloodline as the sharingan to the idea of uplift is an increidbly good idea to give it staying power.
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I'm confused here, are you guys against the actual sex or the fact you're making a baby Hazo won't get to be there for? With the former sure an artificial insemination coyls be done and Hazo skips out on it but I'm not sure why people a girl would be any more ok with just being artificially inseminated and sent iff then they would just getting it done. If the latter then you're still giving a kid up, doesn't matter whether you did it naturally or not.
No matter the reasoning behind it, I'm not sure what exactly artificial insemination is supposed to accomplish here.
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If they get people with the Iron Nerve it's not going to stay secret forever. Some one will figure it out.
What could possibly be more valuable to the Uchiha than having a second bloodline in the clan going on forever into the future? Even something big like a summoning scroll or an ablative armor jutsu is nothing compared to that. They will not renegotiate this deal if we offer them the Iron Nerve.
You're right. I think I firmly agree.
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They won't if we're their only source of knowledge on IN and we explicitly dont tell them, at least not for a long enough time that it won't really impact us.
Chunin mc UchiGou: god damnit dad why didnt you tell me sealing is so much easier for us?!
Oldzou: laughs in uplift
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Thing is if we we're constantly trading around and/or marrying into each other's clans, the Uchiha and the Goketsu will likely end up very firm allies a generation or two down the line. When you can count an entire clan as your cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, etc it makes it really hard to shake that away.Please don't do this, thread.
Please don't do anything even similar to this.
Three years from now, I don't want to be reading a scene like
HAZOU Jr: Mommy? How did you and daddy meet?
U. MOTHER: Well, you see my little deva, your father agreed to impregnate a harem that I was chosen to be a member of, in exchange for a number of political favours.
HAZOU Jr:
I don't want to read Hazou putting those kinds of issues on a child.
Of course I was initially weirded out but honestly this sounds like it would be very good for the Goketsu in the long run. Who knows, a few generations in and we might have an alliance as unshakeable as the Ino-Shika-Cho.
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Well for one we're still not 100% sure they're getting the IN kids (although that does seem to be the case). Secondly, our clan will be stupid powerful by then, we can impose another deal or just break this one. We managed to go from a fresh academy graduate to this in 3 years. In another three we'll be even stronger.