Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Soooo....we're checking if Kazusa Minori has a boyfriend/husband, then, because Kurenai is just about set to marry into the Sarutobi and all the other clanless jonin are dead
I remember a lot died, but if Noburi's still thinking Kabuto's a Jounin they can't all be dead.
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TaliesinSkye
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What makes you so sure the other clans would be so upset about it? You seem very firm on that but I can't recall anything we've seen in text to support it. They'll absolutely get upset about the stuff that was mentioned that would get around the limit entirely, and rightfully so, but this is within both the letter and spirit of the rules. Uzumaki is an independent clan, and everyone will expect that they'll have to adopt to survive. And the two adoptions per year per clan limit is there to keep the numbers low enough that they're not a threat to the economics or military of other clans. I just don't see one adoption starting a conflict.Clear communication: I understand where you are coming from, in fact I had the same idea when I first read about the 2/year ruling. However, from my perspective other clans wouldn't be willing to let this slide. Largely, this is due to Uzumaki already barely hanging onto being a clan, and ceasing being a clan when he joins us. This difference in perspective is likely due to us being different people
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I had a thought writing that. What if Naruto adopts someone he likes, makes them clan head, then jumps ship to the Gouketsu.
Even better, what if he does this to Lee. Uzumaki Lee, Turtle Summoner, ally of the Gouketsu.
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They'll be upset because from their perspective we're taking their things when we're doing things that clans do not do. We can cite the letter and spirit all we want, but that just makes us look like the brats who are taking their slice of the pie and then being smug about it.
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That would be how they'd react to an attempt to go around the rules to adopt large numbers of people, but Uzumaki adopting someone is a drastic difference in both degree and kind. It isn't even remotely the same sort of thing that Hazou had to shut down, and the clans really wouldn't have any good reason to object much less a reason strong enough to be worth a fight over. The income loss is so small it would be unnoticeable, and it wouldn't make a significant difference in power comparison either. Those are the two things the clans are concerned about, and it doesn't trip either of them.
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Our disagreement is that I believe it strongly goes against the spirit of the law. Naruto already intends to join the Gouketsu, him adopting people then immediately heading over is flagrantly ignoring the 2/year for the Gouketsu.
People won't see it as Uzumaki getting +2 then Gouketsu getting +3, they'll just see Gouketsu getting +3.
I recognize that the math doesn't actually change for anyone comparing having the two extra in uzumaki vs gouketsu, and ISC would probably realize that as well. The problem is that this could be spun into us ignoring leaf law. It doesn't matter if its a lie if it sticks in the court of public opinion.
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Welcome to the quest!
TaliesinSkye
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Is Goketsu adopting Naruto? That would change things, but for some reason I thought he was remaining nominally independent.
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He is until just after the Hokage vote. If I were faflec i'd pull up the chapter. Its when we visited him in the hospital.
He's planning on joining us. We remain clan head in name, while he is clan head in fact. He sees Gouketsu as the legacy of Jiraiya, his father figure. No one's taking that away from Mr. Orange Ninja Jesus.
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It's almost a pity, it's very much to our detriment in several ways to not have the second clan seat even if the two clans worked together very closely.
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Yeah, agreed. I'm actually warming to the idea of asking Naruto if he'd be okay with leaving a figurehead to make Uzumaki a branch family of the Gouketsu.
Naruto: Hey Kabuto want to have a clan all by yourself? You gotta change your last name and kinda be our bitch when it comes to voting tho"
Uzumaki: Hell yeah!
Maybe eventually we could make the Kurosawa and Mori branch families too ;P
This probably wouldnt work for the same reason (Albiet much stronger) that the adoption rigamarole won't work, and a vote on the council is way bigger than 2 ninja worth of taxes.
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We can afford to take a bit of a repetitional hit right now to gain additional manpower
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I, personally, am ok with some level of abstraction and short (up to 24h) timeskipping so long as Hazou is doing something that at least resembles what the hivemind wants if you tilt your head and squint. This is kind of an unavoidable tension between, on one hand:
- the quest's format;
- and the QM spoon count
and on the other hand:
- the hivemind's desire to optimize;
- and the suspension of disbelief that has to happen every time Hazou stares at the wall.
What if we dedicate a small space, such as one bullet point of no more than 30 words, in each Action Plan that:
- doesn't count towards the word limit on XP;
- serves to generally describe what we want Hazou to do when events overtake our OODA loop and timeskips are necessary;
- and affects other major characters as minimally as possible to avoid problems related to simulationism?
We can fix the maximum timeskip length at 24 hours (or something similar) so that we always have a chance to get a handle on things and even in the worst case we'll have at least spent that time doing something that advances secondary objectives.
I think this is a good compromise between all of the factors in tension that solves what I perceived as the biggest problems with how timeskips were previously done, namely that 1) the playerbase doesn't want Hazou sitting around staring at walls and 2) that timey-wimey balls are bad mojo for everyone involved.
Thoughts all?
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Okay here is a chain of events that I would absolutely love to see happen:
Naruto marries Hinata. She is now both Hyuga heir and Uzumaki clan head. Naruto adopts into Gouketsu. Hinata makes Uzumaki a branch family of Gouketsu.
Hiashi dies.
Hyuga is now a branch family of the Gouketsu.
Naruto marries Hinata. She is now both Hyuga heir and Uzumaki clan head. Naruto adopts into Gouketsu. Hinata makes Uzumaki a branch family of Gouketsu.
Hiashi dies.
Hyuga is now a branch family of the Gouketsu.
TaliesinSkye
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One possibility to keep in mind is that maintaining and firing the tripwire requires user supplied power, which is why the seal needs to be reinfused after use. It isn't necessarily the reason it works that way, but if it is then research probably won't fix the problem. At best we might be able to do something like build in a big reservoir for the seal to draw on so it lasts a few days of continuous use or something.
On the other hand if seals can draw on nature chakra for power once they're manually activated then maybe it's just a design issue that can be overcome.
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That sounds like seaLING CHAKRA AIEEEEEEEE
TaliesinSkye
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Seals must be able to hold onto infused chakra until they activate somehow, otherwise lots of known designs wouldn't work.
Edit: As long as they don't put the chakra in a pocket dimension they should be OK. I think that's what the problem with chakra in storage seals is related to.
Edit edit: Unless maybe the infusion process doesn't store chakra for the seal to use later, but instead kickstarts an ongoing process of absorbing nature chakra to power the seal until it activates and shuts off. If this model is accurate though then powering a tripwire seal indefinitely should be quite doable.
Say, sealing failures always happen when the seal is infused if they're going to happen, right? You can't fail an infusion but not have anything happen until you try to set the explosive tag or whatever off?
If so that might be evidence in favor of the 'ongoing process' model and against the 'storing chakra to power the seal when it's activated' model.
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With clan transfers being a thing as long as they were getting a good enough deal we could probably cheese extra adoption-transfer slots from other Clans in negotiations over their votes. Losing a little from the Minor Clans benefits could be compensated for, and the Founding Clans wouldn't be effected at all. As long as they weren't planning on using their 2 slots this year the Yamanaka, Nara, Akimichi, and Uchiha lose nothing from transferring adoptees into the Minor Gouketsu Clan, and the Hagomoro would be getting stuffed with enough cash by buying their debts out losing some benefits is a small thing to them.
Of course I have to admit there's an issue with distributed cost of pissing off all the Minor Clans a little bit by having lots of people eating into the benefits.
Of course I have to admit there's an issue with distributed cost of pissing off all the Minor Clans a little bit by having lots of people eating into the benefits.
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Thanks. Ironically, I had just gotten my brain back and edited my original post with this exact math.
No and no, respectively. She has not yet had the final meeting with the Uchiha.
Not happening, I'm afraid. Needs to actually play out in-universe.
Other way around. He will have the name but he intends to outsource most of the actual job to you.
One might almost have thought that there was some sort of message hidden between the lines of that scene....
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Thanks!
It can currently remain actively beaming for an indeterminate, but presumably large, amount of time. We have no information on how long it takes to naturally degrade and deactivate on its own.
Either way, there are all sorts of other seals that have much more massive effects and last for a while, like 5SB. That lasts for 30 days continuously and can anchor an object of rather great size in place relative to its position on the planet and render it effectively impervious to all applications of energy in any known form. So we ought to be able to modify the tripwire accordingly.
If we ever needed to turn on Tsunade, tricking her into punching a 5SB wall with full force would probably do it.
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Yes, if only we could figure out who this message was intended for...
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Ah, thanks.
Sounds like it's just made with a manual reactivation trigger because that's what makes sense for booby traps and that part could probably be changed. I wonder what is failing after the 9 to 12 uses.
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Perhaps the chakra burns out the seal over reactivations and it self-inactivates itself after a certain number of activations to prevent Worse Things from happening.