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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Twinnstars said:
Sure, but in that scenario it's just the status quo, with leaf being slightly stronger. We don't lose anything except maybe revealing we're clever? But that's a good thing in my books anyways.
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We can give OPSEC-gimped CHAOS suits to retainers of ours and accomplish the same goal of "Look, I am helping."

Fuck the Hyuuga. As long as Hiashi is at the wheel they can eat shit as an entity, with the possible exception of his offspring and maybe Neji and some other schmucks that can be redeemed.
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
I'm not finding this specified (though you are the ostensible keeper of lore). It had appeared to me that it was generally connected to seals which were themselves one time use.

That being said, if it is a one time use seal (and it appears to be a low level one), researching a modification to make it a more persistent effect would likely not have a TN beyond Hazou's capabilities.

The payoff is effectively infinite energy if successful.
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eaglejarl said:
Each time they trigger they become dormant and must be re-activated. Activating them is much the same as activating any other seal -- a brief pulse of modulated chakra that takes no effort and negligible amounts of chakra.
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I'd imagine that making a version of LBF that constantly tries to reactivate itself would result in Bad Things, given how in-line they need to be with each other in order to function.
 
MMKII said:
We can give OPSEC-gimped CHAOS suits to retainers of ours and accomplish the same goal of "Look, I am helping."

Fuck the Hyuuga. As long as Hiashi is at the wheel they can eat shit as an entity, with the possible exception of his offspring and maybe Neji and some other schmucks that can be redeemed.
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I'm saying we need to overcome that gut impulse of "fuck the hyuga". I seriously don't like them either, but if we allow our dislike of them to decrease our utility *they're winning*.

This combo will probably be figured out very quickly once we show off CHAOS suits anyways, so we may as well get extra benefits from it.
 
Twinnstars said:
I'm saying we need to overcome that gut impulse of "fuck the hyuga". I seriously don't like them either, but if we allow our dislike of them to decrease our utility *they're winning*.

This combo will probably be figured out very quickly once we show off CHAOS suits anyways, so we may as well get extra benefits from it.
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If you want to make them an offer of a handful, sure. Wasting more time than that on them is counterproductive.

I'm not entirely sure this would be useful for the non-Genin ninja. Air Domes can be punched through by a chunin IIRC, and they would keep you completely stationary if they're covering large portions of your body mass. You'd have to rip the tags off to deactivate them too, so thats a downside.

Short of doing this with Skywalkers-- which is a waste of Skywalkers in my opinion-- I don't think this is really viable as personal combat shielding in fast-paced ninja combat. It sort of goes against their agile gentle fist schtick too.
 
Twinnstars said:
I'm saying we need to overcome that gut impulse of "fuck the hyuga". I seriously don't like them either, but if we allow our dislike of them to decrease our utility *they're winning*.

This combo will probably be figured out very quickly once we show off CHAOS suits anyways, so we may as well get extra benefits from it.
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There is no need to involve or help the Hyuga in so far the hokage decided to offer the use of the tower's CHAOS suit.
 
MMKII said:
If you want to make them an offer of a handful, sure. Wasting more time than that on them is counterproductive.

I'm not entirely sure this would be useful for the non-Genin ninja. Air Domes can be punched through by a chunin IIRC, and they would keep you completely stationary if they're covering large portions of your body mass. You'd have to rip the tags off to deactivate them too, so thats a downside.

Short of doing this with Skywalkers-- which is a waste of Skywalkers in my opinion-- I don't think this is really viable as personal combat shielding in fast-paced ninja combat. It sort of goes against their agile gentle fist schtick too.
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Can they? In that case how on earth did Hazuo and Nobby survive that Jounin?

Regardless, they're not intended to be used for CQC, they're for instant defences against ranged ninjutsu. Hyuga can do Divination stuff against small projectiles but that takes chakra. They don't have any advantedge over other ninja when it comes to dodging/blocking larger attacks.
 
faflec said:
I'd imagine that making a version of LBF that constantly tries to reactivate itself would result in Bad Things, given how in-line they need to be with each other in order to function.
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Not to reactivate, to have a persistent effect. More of a laser tripwire than a wire tripwire.

eaglejarl said:
It is essentially an electric eye made out of chakra. Think of it as an invisible, non-physical tripwire that detects anything over a certain (small) size passing through the beam.
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The beam is continuously shining and each fresh interruption triggers the seals (what the modified version would be like, I'm not saying this is what the current one is like - clearly the QMs have spoken).

I imagine the modified tripwire would need to be replaced periodically. By comparison, the Five Seal Barriers have a persistent effect for 30 days. Even if it only lasted one day, that still seems like enough free energy to make it worthwhile.

Though I see from that post they were specifically made non-persistent nearly two years ago to avoid this concept and civilian gunwands. (Also, why isn't that post threadmarked?)

Which leads to the same question, why don't we research what would seem to be an easy modification for a reasonably well known seal? It's one that wouldn't be obviously useful to most ninja so it's entirely plausible no one would have done so before.

In coding terms, the current seal has a "/end" function which turns the beam off and requires reactivation, the research would be to remove it.

eaglejarl said:
Welcome! It's a pleasure to have you.
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Thank you! Sorry my first posts are about trying to abuse a seal to create infinite energy that you already tried to prevent two years ago and probably hoped had been forgotten by the hivemind after a long hiatus of being mentioned.
 
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Twinnstars said:
they're for instant defences against ranged ninjutsu.
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I'm not really sure this is as widely applicable as you seem to think it is is the thing. Air Domes on your body might be decent against very precise beam attacks but anything with a blast radius or an AOE wider than the dome is going to be a major issue. Even blocking 100% of your body from one side isn't going to help you much if the fireball explodes into a zone-wide inferno, or if the water dragon bullet snakes around to hit you, or if the earth jutsu is something like spine of the earth and errupts from beneath you, or if turbulence from the wind jutsu rips you off of the Air Dome, or....

Like, there are a very wide variety of use cases here where this won't end up being pretty. On average, it defends against piercing and bludgeoning from projectiles and limbs very well, but anything that has more of an AOE damage effect --even explosives attached to kunai that ping off the Air Dome-- might catch you in the blast radius and seriously fuck you up.

Armor in universe is pretty much useful IFF it offers full body coverage and doesn't decrease your ability to dodge against things that it won't defend well against. Even some of our best armor jutsu straight up isn't good to use against esoteric damage types. For all we meme about "Unstoppable PEA 30 combat god rawr unkillable!", a single hugefuck fireball could still send us on a one way trip to the Pure Lands because no armor we've seen does jack to protect you against being engulfed by fire (with the possible exception of something like Hozuki's Mantle at the right angle, but that has other massive drawbacks. You get what I mean.)
 
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Ipsos Custodes said:
My professional skillset isn't the best match for this quest so further participation is uncertain, at best.
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What professional skillset is a good match for this quest? Some combination of professional assassin and military contractor CEO? I don't think we have a lot of those kinds of people, so I wouldn't expect whatever background you have to be any kind of obstacle to participation. If anything, the hivemind is a bit homogeneous in its interests, and different perspectives would always be helpful.

Besides, who cares about utility in this context? If you enjoy posting, post. If not, don't. It really needn't be more complicated. I personally don't really enjoy trying to break the setting, so I just don't participate in those discussions.

Twinnstars said:
Can they? In that case how on earth did Hazuo and Nobby survive that Jounin?
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Cariyaga said:
No jounin wants to fuck with unknown seals.
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I thought it was pretty obvious that she simply let them live. If she wanted them dead, dead they would be with near-certainty.
 
Roomba said:
What professional skillset is a good match for this quest? Some combination of professional assassin and military contractor CEO? I don't think we have a lot of those kinds of people, so I wouldn't expect whatever background you have to be any kind of obstacle to participation. If anything, the hivemind is a bit homogeneous in its interests, and different perspectives would always be helpful.

Besides, who cares about utility in this context? If you enjoy posting, post. If not, don't. It really needn't be more complicated. I personally don't really enjoy trying to break the setting, so I just don't participate in those discussions.





I thought it was pretty obvious that she simply let them live. If she wanted them dead, dead they would be with near-certainty.
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I know of at least one former military contractor, actually. No comment on assassin.
 
Roomba said:
What professional skillset is a good match for this quest? Some combination of professional assassin and military contractor CEO? I don't think we have a lot of those kinds of people, so I wouldn't expect whatever background you have to be any kind of obstacle to participation.
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Historians, economists, math/physics/coding intense fields, probably a few others.

I don't believe it's a hindrance, just not a match. Prosecuting murderers in the 21st century in a post-industrial nation in a liberal state with a very strong rule of law isn't really on the same wavelength as simulating war and politics in a magic enhanced feudal era.
 
MMKII said:
We can give OPSEC-gimped CHAOS suits to retainers of ours and accomplish the same goal of "Look, I am helping."

Fuck the Hyuuga. As long as Hiashi is at the wheel they can eat shit as an entity, with the possible exception of his offspring and maybe Neji and some other schmucks that can be redeemed.
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Well, if we can bring Hinata/A sensible and influential Hyuga on our side(How?We don't even know what she thinks about anything), we could give discounted Goketsu-only seals to people of her/his choice to make the more liberal faction in the Hyuga more powerful.
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
Historians, economists, math/physics/coding intense fields, probably a few others.

I don't believe it's a hindrance, just not a match. Prosecuting murderers in the 21st century in a post-industrial nation in a liberal state with a very strong rule of law isn't really on the same wavelength as simulating war and politics in a magic enhanced feudal era.
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We could always use lawyers. Anyone who says they can't use a lawyer hasn't committed enough crime lately.

More seriously: You will be able to judge whether fudging the law (in-universe) is plausible better than most. Don't sell yourself short!
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
Historians, economists, math/physics/coding intense fields, probably a few others.

I don't believe it's a hindrance, just not a match. Prosecuting murderers in the 21st century in a post-industrial nation in a liberal state with a very strong rule of law isn't really on the same wavelength as simulating war and politics in a magic enhanced feudal era.
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Our missions are usually a mix of espionage and military, sometimes diplomacy.

The kids have experience more in common with special operation and spies than infantry.
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
Prosecuting murderers in the 21st century in a post-industrial nation in a liberal state with a very strong rule of law isn't really on the same wavelength as simulating war and politics in a magic enhanced feudal era.
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Well, we're due for dozens and dozens of updates of sociopolitical stuff so that may very well come in handy!
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
Historians, economists, math/physics/coding intense fields, probably a few others.

I don't believe it's a hindrance, just not a match. Prosecuting murderers in the 21st century in a post-industrial nation in a liberal state with a very strong rule of law isn't really on the same wavelength as simulating war and politics in a magic enhanced feudal era.
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On the other hand, you are capable of talking about how legal systems deal with various kinds of issues, and can offer suggestions on legal reformation that the hivemind definitely wants to make.

Ipsos Custodes said:
Thank you! Sorry my first posts are about trying to abuse a seal to create infinite energy that you already tried to prevent two years ago and probably hoped had been forgotten by the hivemind after a long hiatus of being mentioned.
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Have no worries. That's pretty standard stuff around here. :>
 
Cariyaga said:
You will be able to judge whether fudging the law (in-universe) is plausible better than most. Don't sell yourself short!
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The QMs do not have enough spoons to start drafting Leaf laws, or even deciding if they have laws per se rather than the Kage equivalent of royal decrees, what rules of order or procedure apply to adjudicating disputes, if caselaw is meaningful in any substantive way towards those adjudications. Let alone shift all of that into a feudal era where a civilian bullied his way into being acting king for the purposes of negotiating international treaties and hunting down a terrorist group that successfully stole weapons of mass destruction and national assets from every major world power.

Just reading this will probably give the QMs a minor anxiety attack to think about creating a fraction of that.
 
Speaking of useful professional skill sets, what are everyone's professional skill sets and other useful skills?

Knowing what each other are good at will help us all plan and collaborate more effectively.

I'll go first: I'm a software engineer.
 
MMKII said:
I'm not really sure this is as widely applicable as you seem to think it is is the thing. Air Domes on your body might be decent against very precise beam attacks but anything with a blast radius or an AOE wider than the dome is going to be a major issue. Even blocking 100% of your body from one side isn't going to help you much if the fireball explodes into a zone-wide inferno, or if the water dragon bullet snakes around to hit you, or if the earth jutsu is something like spine of the earth and errupts from beneath you, or if turbulence from the wind jutsu rips you off of the Air Dome, or....

Like, there are a very wide variety of use cases here where this won't end up being pretty. On average, it defends against piercing and bludgeoning from projectiles and limbs very well, but anything that has more of an AOE damage effect --even explosives attached to kunai that ping off the Air Dome-- might catch you in the blast radius and seriously fuck you up.

Armor in universe is pretty much useful IFF it offers full body coverage and doesn't decrease your ability to dodge against things that it won't defend well against. Even some of our best armor jutsu straight up isn't good to use against esoteric damage types. For all we meme about "Unstoppable PEA 30 combat god rawr unkillable!", a single hugefuck fireball could still send us on a one way trip to the Pure Lands because no armor we've seen does jack to protect you against being engulfed by fire (with the possible exception of something like Hozuki's Mantle at the right angle, but that has other massive drawbacks. You get what I mean.)
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Armor *at all* in the setting is rare. To put it in other terms, imagine you live in a world with three types of damage. Slashing, piercing, and blunt. No armor exists for any type at all.

Someone invents an armor that protects you from 2 slashing, but nothing else. That armor is still insanely valuable.

Sure, we won't make the Hyuga completely invincible, but we will reduce the options people have to kill them. Thats important.
 
Twinnstars said:
Armor *at all* in the setting is rare. To put it in other terms, imagine you live in a world with three types of damage. Slashing, piercing, and blunt. No armor exists for any type at all.

Someone invents an armor that protects you from 2 slashing, but nothing else. That armor is still insanely valuable.

Sure, we won't make the Hyuga completely invincible, but we will reduce the options people have to kill them. Thats important.
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Armor isn't rare, it's just unused due to it usually coming at the cost of mobility. For our rocket-tag ninja, that's a really bad thing since they tend to prefer to dodge attacks rather than tank them.
 
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