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They're not. They think you have to personally kill them. Explains why it's rare and why they wouldn't want to raise treason dragons.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
They're not. They think you have to personally kill them. Explains why it's rare and why they wouldn't want to raise treason dragons.
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In canon they believe this is the requirement. I argue that this makes no sense. It is inconceivable to me that over the course of however many hundreds or thousands of years the Uchiha Clan existed, absolutely zero Uchiha have seen their close friend die without having killed them, gained the Mangekyo, and therefore invalidated the previous assumption. There are simply too many plausible outcomes: KIA, suicide, training (or otherwise) accident, poison, disease. You could argue that the Uchiha Clan would assume that the new Mangekyo-wielders actually killed said friend, but then the Uchiha Clan would have way way way too many kinslaying Treason Dragons on their hands to justify; they'd need to re-evaluate their assumptions or go extinct killing themselves off.
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While I do agree with you, I note that in canon, the explanation for why Izanagi/Izanami exist portrays the ancient Uchiha as raving lunatics perfectly happy to slaughter each other for the Eternal Mangekyō, so maybe they would think it the default assumption that people kill their friends for power.
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Damn You Kishimoto.
-I mean how the fuck did they live long enough to reproduce what the fuck how even-
While all the inexplicably single child (in canon and MFD) clan heirs in canon might indicate otherwise, logically speaking families that have as many children as Noburi's mom had would be the norm from a simulationist perspective.
So that might explain it.
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An MfD Mangekyou Sharingan probably can't be unlocked by genin or chunin. Off the top of my head I would have it key off of CR or a hypothetical Sharingan skill, so that you have to be at jonin rank. That narrows down the amount of possible shenanigans by quite a lot.
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To be fair, pre-Madara and Hashirama, It likely was extremely rare to do so. From what little we saw, members of both clans were killed in droves, and if someone close to you died, you either died with them, or you weren't there and got revenge. That time period is seen as so hellish that status quo was Hashirama achieving his dream of "no child soldiers" despite 6 year olds graduating from the academy. Because it was even worse before.
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To also be fair, having 6 year old functional child soldiers completely ignores what a "child" is. Also I vaguely recall at one point in the timeline Kishimoto had Obito commit some background thing when he was negative one years ago, because he didn't think about how far back his different events were. So I'm not going to give too much credit to "this is reasonable modeling of these characters".
Besides, dying family members in a bedside/hospital/dying from injury and disease after they make it back would still totally happen. Or heck, training accidents.
Edit: and all it would take is one of those people getting the MS and then being in charge (which is more likely when it's a punch-ocracy and you have super eyeballs), and saying "it doesn't work like that, let's see if we can figure out how it works". There's a very strong incentive to discovering if you don't need to murder your family to gain a big power up, after all. Just need to keep grandparents company on their deathbed (if they make it).
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