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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- Australia
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- Australia
They are probably more profitable options but the iron nerve does provide a comparative advantage with tracing and copying things like maps or other diagrams.
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- Australia
The hidden clan technique we cant let anyone know about?
Pretty hard to hide the perfect copy you just made, and kinda pointless when printing presses exist.
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- Australia
IIRC the iron nerve isn't a secret but the ability to copy seals is. The Nara would pick up on it so fair point.
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- Yes.
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- Australia
We could also call them boom sticks or blasters.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
"Alright, listen up you savages..."
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- USA
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- He/Him
Important PSA: There has been some discussion about LBFs and there's a bunch of rulings about it scattered through the quest. All praise to the amazing efforts of @Veedrac, @bayesclef, and others for compiling these. The following is a compendium of all rulings that I'm aware of regarding LBF and should be considered normative; I'd like to remove the links to prior posts from the rulings docs to keep things centralized. Also, if anyone wanted to wikify it that would be great. Note the part about needing to be re-triggered after use. I thought this had been stated before, but apparently not; regardless, it has always been the understanding of the QMs.
The LBF is a paired seal (two physical components that together constitute one seal).
LBF is reasonably well-known.
It is essentially an electric eye made out of chakra. Think of it as an invisible, non-physical tripwire that detects anything over a certain (small) size passing through the beam.
It has a maximum length equal to 40x the smallest dimension of the two components that define the ends. That means that in order to make a tripwire 10' long (120") you need two components (one for each end), each of which must be at least 3" in its [edit for braino:]largest[/edit] smallest dimension. That's about the size of your palm. We are still discussing aspect ratio. [EDIT: For clarification: 'smallest dimension' refers to the width or height of the paper on which the seal is written, not its thickness.]
The two components must have line of sight to one another and be precisely aligned to one another in order to function. If you move either of the components the LBF will fail, potentially in Bad Ways.
The beam always comes out normal to the center of the seal and must strike normal to the center of the other seal. Before you ask, curving the seals has unpredictable results.
They can trigger roughly 12 times before the seal expires and becomes useless.
Each time they trigger they become dormant and must be re-activated. Activating them is much the same as activating any other seal -- a brief pulse of modulated chakra that takes no effort and negligible amounts of chakra.
You may physically connect zero or one seal to each of the LBF components, meaning that up to two seals can be connected to the LBF. Attaching more than one seal to a component will cause Undefined Behavior. If the seals are misaligned when the LBF triggers it's likely to cause Bad Things.
In order to be connected a seal must be in physical contact with one of the components and carefully aligned with it.
When activated they trigger whatever seals are attached and then the LBF shuts down. It must be re-activated, much the same way a storage scroll is re-activated.
They can activate any other seal regardless of what kind or by whom it was made.
The LBF is a paired seal (two physical components that together constitute one seal).
LBF is reasonably well-known.
It is essentially an electric eye made out of chakra. Think of it as an invisible, non-physical tripwire that detects anything over a certain (small) size passing through the beam.
It has a maximum length equal to 40x the smallest dimension of the two components that define the ends. That means that in order to make a tripwire 10' long (120") you need two components (one for each end), each of which must be at least 3" in its [edit for braino:]
The two components must have line of sight to one another and be precisely aligned to one another in order to function. If you move either of the components the LBF will fail, potentially in Bad Ways.
The beam always comes out normal to the center of the seal and must strike normal to the center of the other seal. Before you ask, curving the seals has unpredictable results.
They can trigger roughly 12 times before the seal expires and becomes useless.
Each time they trigger they become dormant and must be re-activated. Activating them is much the same as activating any other seal -- a brief pulse of modulated chakra that takes no effort and negligible amounts of chakra.
You may physically connect zero or one seal to each of the LBF components, meaning that up to two seals can be connected to the LBF. Attaching more than one seal to a component will cause Undefined Behavior. If the seals are misaligned when the LBF triggers it's likely to cause Bad Things.
In order to be connected a seal must be in physical contact with one of the components and carefully aligned with it.
When activated they trigger whatever seals are attached and then the LBF shuts down. It must be re-activated, much the same way a storage scroll is re-activated.
They can activate any other seal regardless of what kind or by whom it was made.
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OH COME ON
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- UK
IIRC, I have used the ruling compilation (when it was a wee spoilered post) for historical perspectives as well as current information, so my vote would be keeping them around, thrown in some dusty corner if need be.
So gunwands are single-use for civilians, and need a ninja to properly reload them.
*deep breath*
This is fine. We can solve this issue.
*deep breath*
This is fine. We can solve this issue.
- Each civvie gunner militia is joined by a single academy student or retired ninja, whose job it is to reactivate LBFs. Not an ideal solution because it requires ninja presence, which was the problem we were trying to solve. Not quite so bad, because it still reduces the number of ninja needed to keep a large group of civilians safe.
- Make lots of gunwands, have civilians carry several each. Have those civilians hand in their spent gunwands at their local ninja outpost, for reactivation, at the end of each week or when they start to run low.
- Mod an LBF variant that doesn't have this stupid problem. Get Jiraiya to do it if Hazou is too dumb.
- Switch over to seal grenades - wooden balls with an LBF linked to a timed (probably explosive) seal all concealed inside. When you push down the pin it interrupts the beam and starts the timer on the seal.
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- Yes.
I think we just go with this. Grenade seals are probably the most cost-efficient way to protect civilians, since spending ninjas (even weaker ones) on civilian groups or mass-producing LBF is way too expensive and/or time-consuming. Long-term we can just make a proper LBF (#3).
Honestly we should just research some proper ninja-usable seal guns. We're not going to end up getting a large civilian army deployed. Not to mention that current Macerators don't propel their payload at nearly enough velocity as a gun would propel a bullet, so what we currently have wouldn't even be lethal.
You could probably have two air dome seals in seperate seal grenades.
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- Somewhere over the rainbow
Just skip that step of putting it in a wooden ball and go straight to "apply Air Dome to ground, activate LBF apparatus".
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- Yes.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail How big are the LBF seals themselves? Are they easily shrunken such that they could fit into...like a large sized bullet?
I'm thinking of making LBF small enough to fit inside a bullet (the casing), and when you fire the "gun" it pushes an object inside the bullet casing to trigger LBF, and thus activate a seal on the gun.
I'm thinking of making LBF small enough to fit inside a bullet (the casing), and when you fire the "gun" it pushes an object inside the bullet casing to trigger LBF, and thus activate a seal on the gun.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
I'm not surprised.
contradiction. Also are we talking a 3 dimensional seal or do you only mean the radius of the seal component perpendicular to the axis of the tripwire?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
What about creating a triangle of LBF formations to trigger themselves with so as to keep them active? Only one of the seals needs to be triggered, so you can always have one active (well, three) to actually use whatever the seal being activated is.
Granted, this would mean that we'd need to produce three times as many LBFs per GUNWAND, but still.
Granted, this would mean that we'd need to produce three times as many LBFs per GUNWAND, but still.