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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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TaliesinSkye said:
Ah, thanks.

Sounds like it's just made with a manual reactivation trigger because that's what makes sense for booby traps and that part could probably be changed. I wonder what is failing after the 9 to 12 uses.
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Agreed, but also sounds like it should have a pretty low TN to modify how we want.

I kinda feel like we should work on this tomorrow and send messages to all the different clan leaders to meet the day after tomorrow so it's not a last minute request. It's not like we even have a timeline for when the Hokage vote is going to be.
 
faflec said:
Perhaps the chakra burns out the seal over reactivations and it self-inactivates itself after a certain number of activations to prevent Worse Things from happening.
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Maybe, but that leaves the question of what's burning out and how it's failing. Do storage seals or any other reuseable seals fail after a set number of uses? I vaguely recall that storage seals don't fail until the paper wears out from handling, but I could be misremembering.
 
eaglejarl said:
One might almost have thought that there was some sort of message hidden between the lines of that scene....
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Yes, I too am wondering why the giant red warning sign of "Don't push this one too far, nobody is going to like it!" that was presented at the heart of a spiderweb of caution tape and accompanied with claxon sirens is going unheeded.

Folks, we can maybe swing like, two extra adoptions from Naruto if we arrange for all of this behind the scenes with our allies and make some concessions, and that perhaps will only be permitted with a begrudging "Well played, but don't do that shit again." from all present.
 
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Ipsos Custodes said:
I kinda feel like we should work on this tomorrow and send messages to all the different clan leaders to meet the day after tomorrow so it's not a last minute request. It's not like we even have a timeline for when the Hokage vote is going to be.
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I agree except that I feel like we should be asking to meet at their convenience rather than setting the date. As you said we don't have a firm timeline for when the Hokage vote is (IIRC Hiashi is still in the hospital, so it seems like we've got some time), and I think our political position is a lot more precarious than we realize. Like, the other clans might view us as promising upstarts with a (now dead) powerful patron at best, and foreign missing-nin actively trying to upheave the social order of the Leaf for their own gain at worst.
 
Rhodes said:
I agree except that I feel like we should be asking to meet at their convenience rather than setting the date. As you said we don't have a firm timeline for when the Hokage vote is (IIRC Hiashi is still in the hospital, so it seems like we've got some time), and I think our political position is a lot more precarious than we realize. Like, the other clans might view us as promising upstarts with a (now dead) powerful patron at best, and foreign missing-nin actively trying to upheave the social order of the Leaf for their own gain at worst.
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Good point.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
Maybe, but that leaves the question of what's burning out and how it's failing. Do storage seals or any other reuseable seals fail after a set number of uses? I vaguely recall that storage seals don't fail until the paper wears out from handling, but I could be misremembering.
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Storage seals wear out similarly, yes. They start storing slower and slower and eventually stop working.
 
eaglejarl said:
"You're thinking about Lee again, aren't you?" Noburi said with a snort. "I swear, I think you're crushing on him."

"I'm not!
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This ship has non-zero support on discord. Just saying.


I really liked the way Hazou handled things socially this chapter, @eaglejarl. I'm surprised asking Mari if we should use the Ami favour on socials made it into the plan when that mistake was first caught weeks ago, but I'm glad Hazou noticed that he shouldn't do it. Thank you!


Right, we may have given Hazou the wrong idea. The plan for the hospital was for it to be in or next to our compound to give leaf civilians access to affordable healthcare (which they apparently don't have because ninja don't care) while getting all the academy students, genin, and civilians we can manage into medical education, but Hazou is talking about a hospital outside of Leaf. That would be difficult for Noburi to oversee, and would mean we couldn't involve people as easily because our target demographic for medstudents mostly live in leaf.

We may need to correct that before Akane goes running off to deliver the message.
 
MadScientist said:
This ship has non-zero support on discord. Just saying.


I really liked the way Hazou handled things socially this chapter, @eaglejarl. I'm surprised asking Mari if we should use the Ami favour on socials made it into the plan when that mistake was first caught weeks ago, but I'm glad Hazou noticed that he shouldn't do it. Thank you!


Right, we may have given Hazou the wrong idea. The plan for the hospital was for it to be in or next to our compound to give leaf civilians access to affordable healthcare (which they apparently don't have because ninja don't care) while getting all the academy students, genin, and civilians we can manage into medical education, but Hazou is talking about a hospital outside of Leaf. That would be difficult for Noburi to oversee, and would mean we couldn't involve people as easily because our target demographic for medstudents mostly live in leaf.

We may need to correct that before Akane goes running off to deliver the message.
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Is it unaffordable? Leaf does have a hospital that allows civilians in, they just use them as practice for their trainees. Surely at least some of the costs is taken away for the training, otherwise the civilians couldn't come in and the trainees couldn't get practice.
 
eaglejarl said:
Not happening, I'm afraid. Needs to actually play out in-universe.
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Ah, not quite what I meant. I was saying you can have Mari get tired of waiting for us to sit still and have her wake us up for the scene. If that doesn't work for it that's fine, just trying to sidestep us wanting to optimize and you wanting time to insert things.
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
Sorry, didn't mean to come across as too critical. I agree it makes sense since he's the underworld kingpin we already have a relationship with. I was more thinking that I don't want the QMs to have to avoid accidental treason for us if we can avoid it ourselves.
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Something you should digest absolutely immediately: they won't.

This isn't a conventional story. Actions have consequences. If those consequences are the total conquest of the multiverse, so be it. If those consequences are ignominious deaths for every character we, including the GMs, have come to love, so be it. They will be as professionally, ruthlessly neutral as the very laws of nature. If we collectively vote to screw up there is not a single power in Heaven nor Earth which will step in to save us from ourselves. It may break the GMs' hearts, but they will write it.

Hi. Welcome to the community of minds who voluntarily choose to do this for "fun".
 
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Lailoken said:
Something you should digest absolutely immediately: they won't.

This isn't a conventional story. Actions have consequences. If those consequences are the total conquest of the multiverse, so be it. If those consequences are ignominious deaths for every character we, including the GMs, have come to love, so be it. They will be as professionally, ruthlessly neutral as the very laws of physics. If we collectively vote to screw up there is not a single power in Heaven nor Earth which will step in to save us from ourselves. It may break the GMs' hearts, but they will write it.

Hi. Welcome to the community of minds who voluntarily choose to do this for "fun".
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With the minor caveat that the characters are actual characters with their own personality, and have the ability to decide our plans are stupid and ignore them. (This was the result of several mistakes and miscommunications that eventually got settled after the n-th tiem Hazo broke OP sec because the playerbase forgot a detail Hazo wouldn't have.)

basically, if we voted for hazo to go berserk in the market killing everyone he can before dying... he probably isn't going to do that.

But it's a very small safety net. Mostly useful for when the playerbase lacks tack or forgets something a native of the world wouldn't.
 
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Twinnstars said:
He is until just after the Hokage vote. If I were faflec i'd pull up the chapter. Its when we visited him in the hospital.

He's planning on joining us. We remain clan head in name, while he is clan head in fact. He sees Gouketsu as the legacy of Jiraiya, his father figure. No one's taking that away from Mr. Orange Ninja Jesus.
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Other way around. He's clan head in name, we are clan head for practical purposes.
 
faflec said:
Is it unaffordable? Leaf does have a hospital that allows civilians in, they just use them as practice for their trainees. Surely at least some of the costs is taken away for the training, otherwise the civilians couldn't come in and the trainees couldn't get practice.
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I got the impression that they didn't or that it was expensive. Since, you know, Sora has to deal with his injury and can't just get it fixed trivially at the hospital, Nakano's sibling has some kind of respiratory infection that he needs more money to be able to afford treatment for, and Yukari and Kenta made it sound like civilian injuries are a big deal.

This really paints a picture of there being no affordable civilian healthcare in the village.
 
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MadScientist said:
I got the impression that they didn't or that it was expensive. Since, you know, Sora has to deal with his injury and can't just get it fixed trivially at the hospital, Nakano's sibling has some kind of respiratory infection that he needs more money to be able to afford treatment for, and Yukari and Kenta made it sound like civilian injuries are a big deal.

This really paints a picture of there being no affordable civilian healthcare in the village.
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HAZOU: ...and we're willing to spend a lot of money to make civilian healthcare more affordable so the trainees have more people to work on.

TSUNADE: Excuse me. *leaves the room*

HAZOU: Umm...

*sounds of screaming and explosives can be heard in the distance*

HAZOU: Oh dear.

But in all seriousness, it's a good point.
 
Cariyaga said:
...What if we supported Tsunade in a push for border hospitals?
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This is a silly idea. A hospital is an organization and system that is designed to provide medical care to a large amount of people. This is like putting a hospital in the literal middle of nowhere.

A hospital should be located in population centers, like Leaf and the other cities.
 
If the goal is to bring the cost of treatment down then a medical school is probably what's needed first. Opening a second hospital before people start graduating would just mean competing for people. A small scale clinic for training purposes is a possibility once the first batch of students get that far.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
If the goal is to bring the cost of treatment down then a medical school is probably what's needed first. Opening a second hospital before people start graduating would just mean competing for people. A small scale clinic for training purposes is a possibility once the first batch of students get that far.
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A hospital can double as a teaching organization.

Unrelatedly, I found out when we were on Nagi Island, in chapter 143.
 
It might be helpful if I put this in bullet points.
  • We open a hospital either in the compound or near it.
  • We put Noburi in charge and get some civilian admin workers he can delegate to.
  • We acquire some junior mednin from the Konoha Hospital by giving them better pay.
  • We begin accepting patients. We charge civilians at a large discount so they can afford basic healthcare.
  • We start taking field trips from the academy and teach them basic med levels.
  • We put out the word that we're paying genin to come here and become apprentice medics.
  • We start hiring civilians who want to learn to become diagnosticians and pharmacists.
  • We do a lot of teaching.
  • We start accepting more patients as we get more junior doctors from our students.
  • Tsunade smiles at us and tells us we did good.
 
Kiba said:
A hospital can double as a teaching organization.

Unrelatedly, I found out when we were on Nagi Island, in chapter 143.
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Yes, I am aware. That is not the problem, which really should have been clear if you read the post.

If you open a hospital immediately before you have anyone sufficiently far along to staff it you'll have to compete with the existing hospital for staff, which will cause prices to actually go up. Also it will cost a lot more money to set up than some classrooms and money is tight.

The smart and efficient way to do this is to start with a school, get some people ready to treat patients, and only then get a space for them to treat patients in. Or, and this would be more efficient if it's possible, work out an arrangement with the existing hospital for them to treat patients there.
 
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MadScientist said:
It might be helpful if I put this in bullet points.
  • We open a hospital either in the compound or near it.
  • We put Noburi in charge and get some civilian admin workers he can delegate to.
  • We acquire some junior mednin from the Konoha Hospital by giving them better pay.
  • We begin accepting patients. We charge civilians at a large discount so they can afford basic healthcare.
  • We start taking field trips from the academy and teach them basic med levels.
  • We put out the word that we're paying genin to come here and become apprentice medics.
  • We start hiring civilians who want to learn to become diagnosticians and pharmacists.
  • We do a lot of teaching.
  • We start accepting more patients as we get more junior doctors from our students.
  • Tsunade smiles at us and tells us we did good.
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Hospital is a large scale structure. More appropriate would be a clinic.

Beside, we already have a hospital in Leaf and Tsunade bark orders there whenever she's here. Why can't we reform that instead?
 
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