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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Inferno Vulpix said:
Does Jiraiya even have the Toad Scroll with him now? You don't need the scroll with you to use any of your summoning stuffs, so I imagine he'd just leave it in Leaf under extremely heavy guard. You only ever need it when someone else inherits the scroll and has to sign it, and there's no reason not to do that in allied territory (signing it on the battlefield doesn't help you, because you need to shell out a bunch of XP for the Stunt and then start making connections with the clan from scratch)

e: it could be with Jiraiya under a 'the safest place for it is with me' sort of philosophy, but given that keeping it there also means his death forfeits the Toad Clan to whoever killed him, I'd bet he just keeps it somewhere safe in Leaf.
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With likes of Hiashi roaming around with a claim to the hat, I'm not sure he will consider Leaf "safe". However, FMPOV we don't have enough information about J-man's thoughts on the subject to model it accurately enough. The point is mute. I don't think asking him would hurt though. We do have a line

MMKII said:
Jiraiya probably thought about most of it, but in case he missed any...
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in both plans, so why not?
 
[x] Action Plan: Sealsmith of the Gods

@MMKII , We should probably ask about the rest of his intelligence network, if he goes down we might be able to continue his work.

Or at least take care of loose ends.
 
  • Just to check, your will will include directions/advice on what to do with the Toads/Toad Scroll, your spy network, the remaining plot to the Icha Icha series, and any other potentially game-changing information or resources, right?
Do the masses find this acceptable? @TarzanNn @ContextBot @faflec @Inferno Vulpix
 
MMKII said:
  • Just to check, your will will include directions/advice on what to do with the Toads/Toad Scroll, your spy network, the remaining plot to the Icha Icha series, and any other potentially game-changing information or resources, right?
Do the masses find this acceptable? @TarzanNn @ContextBot @faflec @Inferno Vulpix
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Reasonable, yes, though I'd generalize 'Toads' to valuable ninja tools and equipment (and the like).
 
MMKII said:
  • Just to check, your will will include directions/advice on what to do with the Toads/Toad Scroll, your spy network, the remaining plot to the Icha Icha series, and any other potentially game-changing information or resources, right?
Do the masses find this acceptable? @TarzanNn @ContextBot @faflec @Inferno Vulpix
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Another argument that we could make for the Crows is that instead of reverse summoning Itachi we could try to contact the Anti-Itachi faction, convince them that their summoner will likely be killed/attacked withn X timeframe, give them a chance of rebellion and make sure Itachi can't actually summon?

Give the Anti-Itachi crows some Goo bombs? Crows that can't fly are dead Crows.

Become the next Crow Summoner and piss off Ghost Madara
 
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ContextBot said:
Another argument that we could make for the Crows is that instead of reverse summoning Itachi we could try to contact the Anti-Itachi faction, convince them that their summoner will likely be killed/attacked withn X timeframe, give them a chance of rebellion and makie sure Itachi can't actually summon?

Give the Anti-Itachi crows some Goo bombs? Crows that can't fly are dead Crows.

Become the next Crow Summoner and piss off Ghost Madara
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Only if you're willing to take the risk of Itachi, and thus Akatsuki, finding out.
 
Little packed on the word count front but I suggest we don't focus on that. Whats an XP here and there between friends?
MMKII said:
Rough draft, may have missed some things, feel free to steal.

WC: 540
[x] Action Plan: Sealsmith of the Gods
  • Immediately run the following plan by Keiko/Noburi first. Thoughts?
    • OPSEC: Use an Air Dome, don't directly reference skywalkers.
  • Find Jiraiya to discuss the assault (high-OPSEC conditions, include siblings).
    • Jiraiya probably thought about most of it, but in case he missed any...
  • Strikeforce equipment:
    • Distribute seals from your loadout.
      • Give everyone tons of explosives, and Banshee Slayers + Earbusters/Banshee Fuckers.
        • Sonic damage seems rare, hard to counter. Spam it?
      • For Jiraiya: Implosion Seals, Directional Explosives, Goo Bombs.
      • Equip Leaf contingent with Skywalkers.
        • Zabuza surely informed Mist, and Akatsuki could've reverse-engineered them. Reveal them, equip Kages?
    • You'll draw more seals, but probably can't learn new ones (concussion).
  • Strategy:
    • Wakahisa Exploitation:
      • Can Keiko can transfer chakra water to the Seventh Path? If yes, Team Uplift should stay in Mist and get Wakahisa Clan's cooperation. They'll supply chakra barrels, which Keiko will transfer to Jiraiya (or another summoner; an excuse to get other villages' intel on scrolls?).
        • Possibility of harmful bloodline/summoning interactions?
        • Equip some combatants with chakra water bottles.
      • If impossible, the strikeforce should take several Wakahisa and chuunin along as chakra batteries (leave them in the rear).
        • The strikeforce will get effectively unlimited chakra. Before battle, summoners should summon entire armies, and others should create dozens of clones (equipped with seals).
          • Result: overwhelming numbers advantage.
    • Pangolins:
      • Keiko could get chakra from Noburi/Wakahisa and send her Pangolins along. They can focus on mooks, tank some hits, and support the strikeforce with Maneuvers or buffing ninjutsu (Defend the Log).
      • Warning: Pandaa previously stated that Akatsuki's "dragon" resembled an archaeopteryx, which are Pantokrator's servants. Pangolins are very religious — unlike other summons? — so this might cause a loyalty problem.
    • It's a trap?
      • Team Bloodrage was suspiciously incompetent given Akatsuki's overall competency.
      • Possibility: Nagi Island is a trap for the desperate EN. Goal: assassinate villages' leadership via a WMD, or draw S-rankers away then destroy villages.
      • Stay ready to escape to the Seventh Path via reverse-summoning, I guess?
    • Backup plan:
      • Itachi's relationship with the Crows is strained: he'd apparently slaughtered one of their political factions.
      • Pantsaa had implied he'd be able to drag Keiko to the Seventh Path if she betrayed him.
      • If true, Jiraiya could assemble a team of summoners, negotiate with/attack the Crows, have Karanium summon Itachi into an ambush.
        • Could also work with Kisame's Sharks.
      • Contact Orochimaru/Tsunade via Seventh Path?
    • Mention Kagome's information. May be relevant?
  • Ask Jiraiya if we can count on Tsunade for support back home.
    • Is she likely to go on the mission?
    • Would she help Goketsu in Jiraiya's absence (potential death) directly or as an advisor?
  • Just to check, your will will include directions and/or advice on what to do with any valuable ninja tools, information and resources that could be game-changers, including but not limited to: the Toads or the Toad Scroll, your spy network and other ninja contacts, seal list and library of research notes, the remaining plot to the Icha Icha series, etc..?
  • To Jiraiya: If you don't come back but Naruto finds his way home, we'll take good care of him. You owe us one massive victory party, one wedding and one awesome adopted brother, so don't you fucking dare die on us, sir.
    • Hug him.
  • Follow Jiraiya's orders.
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TarzanNn said:
Isn't it dependant on the time? Like number X will be sufficient for genetic diversity for one hundred years, but not more. :thonk:
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The classic rule of thumb is a minimum effective population size of 50 to avoid acute inbreeding depression, though you can halve that with assortative mating. Either way, you'd want to get the population back up to at least 5,000 as fast as possible.

In practice, the answer is "one", as long as that one is Orochimaru. Frankly, just put him, a storage scroll full of embryos, and Naruto on a boat and you'll have a colonized continent in twenty years.

Wait, Naruto can't use the harem technique anymore. Guess some incubators will have to be built. Fanfiction authors weep.
 
Lailoken said:
The classic rule of thumb is a minimum effective population size of 50 to avoid acute inbreeding depression, though you can halve that with assortative mating. Either way, you'd want to get the population back up to at least 5,000 as fast as possible.

In practice, the answer is "one", as long as that one is Orochimaru. Frankly, just put him, a storage scroll full of embryos, and Naruto on a boat and you'll have a colonized continent in twenty years.

Wait, Naruto can't use the harem technique anymore. Guess some incubators will have to be built. Fanfiction authors weep.
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[X] Proposal: QM's crowdsource Orochimaru's Mad Science!TM​ to @Lailoken .
 
Deathbybunnies said:
[x] Action Plan: Sealsmith of the Gods

I think that we don't want Hana there in the short term - it would be some pretty bad optics at a time when we definitely don't need those, and her "advice" would be a poisoned well.

This is something to look at again in a month's time, if big J doesn't make it.
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If we assume the worst case scenario (Jiraiya dies) getting Hana back into Leaf is going to be completely out of our hands. We'll no longer have much political clout, seeing as we're a newly formed clan in shaky standing (especially since the wedding never went through). We don't know who the new Hokage will be and what their agenda will be, but I sincerely doubt that even the Shikaku would care about reuniting us with our mother and/or increasing the influence of the Goketsu clan. He'd have no incentive to try to save a sinking ship, other than to use us as resources. He'd have even less incentive to allow a Mist ninja who the previous Hokage humiliated back into the country as a liaison, unless for some reason Aunt Ren insisted.

If we ever want Hana back in leaf now's the time. After Jiraiya's dead we'll have no clout to make it happen.
 
TarzanNn said:
Isn't it dependant on the time? Like number X will be sufficient for genetic diversity for one hundred years, but not more. :thonk:
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That's true for smaller number, given a carefully managed breeding program. 1000-2000 is the range where, as long as you have more births than deaths and no large isolated cliques, you don't have a time-limit and don't need a breeding program. (Note: Pulling numbers from memory, so take w/ grain of salt.)
 
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Jello_Raptor said:
That's true for smaller number, given a carefully managed breeding program. 1000-2000 is the range where, as long as you have more births than deaths and no large isolated cliques, you don't have a time-limit and don't need a breeding program. (Note: Pulling numbers from memory, so take w/ grain of salt.)
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My recollection was that it was about 5,000 where the loss of diversity due to drift drops below the gain due to mutation, but I'd have to pull some old population genetics textbooks out of storage and do the math again to be sure.
 
faflec said:
I thought it was established that a lot of non-S rank and/or elite Jonin was also coming?

Also, Ren not going would look a very poor showing for Mist.
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I know Ren is a Jonin, but I don't think she's an S-rank. I know kage are generally super strong ninja as a rule of thumb but it seems like she got the hat purely through her skill as a clanhead and diplomacy specialist taking advantage of the political chaos, sort of like what Hiashi was trying to do in Leaf.
 
Shadowwarp said:
I know Ren is a Jonin, but I don't think she's an S-rank. I know kage are generally super strong ninja as a rule of thumb but it seems like she got the hat purely through her skill as a clanhead and diplomacy specialist taking advantage of the political chaos, sort of like what Hiashi was trying to do in Leaf.
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Not exactly because, as far as we know, Hiashi is a skillfull figher. He's just a prick.
 
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