Hiashi's name is a Leaf byword for speed, and Jiraiya said that even for him taking Hiashi on in close combat would be stupid. It's probably fair to assume that he's a taijutsu god.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Hiashi's name is a Leaf byword for speed, and Jiraiya said that even for him taking Hiashi on in close combat would be stupid. It's probably fair to assume that he's a taijutsu god.
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Wasn't Hana the Jonin and Ren the chunin?
I mean, she could have given herself the rank by being Kage, but IIRC in the interlude the clan Elder practically said "Yeah, Ren doesn't have what it takes", so.... as far as real capabilities, i always thought she was High-Chunin/Low-Jonin more because she survived all this time than any real talent, but nothing more.
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hiashi v gai when?
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So are we going to be asking Jiraiya for tips on getting this @MMKII?
Emstar
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On the plus side: we can appropriate the full amount of the Pangolin income for our needs now instead of having Jiraiya throw a large amount of it towards his clandestine activities.
I expect the next week (or longer) to be an all hands on deck type scenario. Everyone on the team needs to help out with this, or we're going to be damned to the Fuck Corridor for the foreseeable future.
IMO we're already wasting a non-negligible amount of his time with this discussion. If we need a crash course, we could ask one of {Tsunade, Shikaku,Shikamaru, Ino,Choji, etc.} taking care to adjust priors that they're going to give helpful advice as is necessary, or we could try to mail order Hana.
I expect the next week (or longer) to be an all hands on deck type scenario. Everyone on the team needs to help out with this, or we're going to be damned to the Fuck Corridor for the foreseeable future.
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It's good that Hiashi is a Taijutsu beast. That means he's going to the island. If he stayed back while Jiraiya died, there is a fair chance we would be killed.
...If it all goes wrong and the village is stripped of Jonin, would Sasuke be a compromise candidate for Hokage?
...If it all goes wrong and the village is stripped of Jonin, would Sasuke be a compromise candidate for Hokage?
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inb4 it's Ebisu
Emstar
The Shining One
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I think we should have at least one high ranking individual left alive after that mess. If its not Tsunade, Shikaku or (Insert Clan Head) then maybe Asuma or someone else?
Also: In a pinch, we can just make Orochimaru the Hokage!
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I think Choji should be included to the list
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Oh Jashin what if Kabuto becomes Hokage
I actually don't know who I'd put my money on.
Hey, y'know what would be better that trying to absorb decades of cultivation in an afternoon while scribbling seals as fast as possible? Bringing along a loyal former clan heiress to serve as an advisor in such matters.
Again, if you want Hana, you need to get Jiraiya and Ren to declare it now. While Jiraiya isn't available there is nobody with the authority and the inclination to approve her crossing Fire's borders. That's only going to be more true if he doesn't make it back and some sort of provisional council takes over executive authority while the succession slapfight plays out.
Hazou is taking over as acting clan head, not acting Hokage. A mere acting clan head can't get her into Leaf.
If anybody wants Hana to even be an option in the future, we need to get an official ruling from the Hokage and Mizukage right now. She doesn't necessarily have to come back to Leaf until we call for her, but she needs her passport stamped and signed right now if she is ever going to.
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One problem i noted with the whole "Hana in leaf"
This could make us lose any authority in leaf, everyone could point at Hana and say "Goketsu is a puppet of Mist, the jonin we kicked out is helping them, twisting them to her ends"
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Jiraiya isn't guaranteed to die in this assault, I'd even say it's likely he survives in the cases where Akatsuki is defeated, and if he survives then he quite likely would have the political clout to pull it off in the future. If we want Hana in Leaf to be an option in the future if Jiraiya dies we need to act now.
And I'll repeat my previous statement: I don't want Hana in Leaf. Not now, not a year from now, maybe not ever. I fully expect that if Hana came to Leaf again she'd re-break Mari, and losing Mari is about five times worse for the Goketsu's social capabilities than not having Hana would be, and we can't stop Hana from doing whatever she wants. We've tried to have Hazou stand up to Hana and it hasn't worked, and I'm not going to wager everything on us succeeding this time.
edit: I also think that we probably can't get Hana's passport stamped at all right now. Her initial position was already politically challenging to pull off, seen as blatant nepotism and all that fun stuff. And the end result of that nepotism is that Hana got kicked out of Leaf within a couple weeks alongside a big list of demands for Mist to capitulate on. There is no way Ren has the political capital to approve this again, and I doubt Jiraiya has enough extra floating around to make the ends meet from his side.
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We should talk to Ren about backing us to become Hokage if Jiraiya dies.
I also agree that Hana in Leaf for support could be good, depending on the aftermath of the battle the whole political situation could be bullshit.
Also I want to know what Hiashi would even do as Hokage, maybe J-man's bias is just to strong.
I also agree that Hana in Leaf for support could be good, depending on the aftermath of the battle the whole political situation could be bullshit.
Also I want to know what Hiashi would even do as Hokage, maybe J-man's bias is just to strong.
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Jesus H. Christ no thank you!
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I cannot agree more. In my book Hana is worse than Stabby Zabby
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I am joking, we should back Tsunade/Naruto (if he isn't mindbroken), if Jiraiya is dead Tsunade might even do it.
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Well, I do like Hana and want Hazou to have a good relationship with her and go to her for advice.
But I want all that to happen over in Mist with Mari far away, so that Hana can't do any harm to Mari. Leaf and Mist are going to be allies now, it shouldn't be hard to set up meetings. And even if we only get 50% of Hana's utility as a dispenser of Good Clan Advice, I'd much much rather have a functional Mari at the top of her game and 50% of Hana's advice than 100% of Hana's advice and a non-functional Mari.
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@MMKII , Well we are already above the word count, can we ask Jiraiya who in Leaf knows about Isan? It's not really clear:
Shikaku is the Jonin commander
Agent Black was/is a Yamanaka
Agent White was/is a Hyuuga
Ibiki is T&I Boss, he might have been informed
etc.
Also we will tell Mari that her eye color keeps changing and she isn't aware, her genjutsu is messing with her head and maybe some of her memories are bullshit. She isn't capable of proper self assessment, like her cute daughter Keiko.
Shikaku is the Jonin commander
Agent Black was/is a Yamanaka
Agent White was/is a Hyuuga
Ibiki is T&I Boss, he might have been informed
etc.
Also we will tell Mari that her eye color keeps changing and she isn't aware, her genjutsu is messing with her head and maybe some of her memories are bullshit. She isn't capable of proper self assessment, like her cute daughter Keiko.
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One thing still worth noting: We just demonstrated some pretty impressive bravery in defense of Leaf's secrets. And everyone who will be calling shots saw it.
With effort, luck, and a loyal diplomancer, we might be able to use that.
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Living up to the clan name.
I am now imagining a farcically convoluted combination of coincidences, misunderstandings, and intrigue pileups ending with Kagome getting the hat.
...actually, given the founding and early history of Leaf, there might actually be some sort of obscure old rule stating that when a Hokage is indisposed his brother automatically becomes acting Hokage, whether he likes it or not, and that strikes me as exactly the sort of shenanigans @Velorien would be drawn to...
That sounds like the sort of thing it'd be nice to ask somebody with experience in high clan politics about how to handle.
The alternatives are being seen as puppet or a stooge due to being either a puppet or a stooge. Hazou doesn't have any personal experience and no resources who aren't players in the same complex games of intrigue and stilettos while explicitly looking out for their own interests first and foremost.
Jiraiya doesn't even have to die for her to be invaluable. We don't know how long he's going to be unavailable and in the meantime there are going to be a lot of acting clan heads. Hazou can either be the slow kid everyone runs circles around, or the mastermind who actually has a fully trained and experienced advisor.
"Those ANBU stinkers won't stop following me!"
...actually, given the founding and early history of Leaf, there might actually be some sort of obscure old rule stating that when a Hokage is indisposed his brother automatically becomes acting Hokage, whether he likes it or not, and that strikes me as exactly the sort of shenanigans @Velorien would be drawn to...
That sounds like the sort of thing it'd be nice to ask somebody with experience in high clan politics about how to handle.
The alternatives are being seen as puppet or a stooge due to being either a puppet or a stooge. Hazou doesn't have any personal experience and no resources who aren't players in the same complex games of intrigue and stilettos while explicitly looking out for their own interests first and foremost.
Jiraiya doesn't even have to die for her to be invaluable. We don't know how long he's going to be unavailable and in the meantime there are going to be a lot of acting clan heads. Hazou can either be the slow kid everyone runs circles around, or the mastermind who actually has a fully trained and experienced advisor.
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