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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Hmm, what does everyone think about making a reference to Jiraiya's threat about Hazou undermining the search for Naruto, and making a commitment that we'll take care of Naruto and welcome him into the family if he's recovered, but Jiraiya doesn't make it back?

Strategically, it loses us nothing, and should make serious progress in integrating Jiraiya into the family if he survives. And it'll also make for a nice goodbye scene, I think.
 
Roomba said:
Hmm, what does everyone think about making a reference to Jiraiya's threat about Hazou undermining the search for Naruto, and making a commitment that we'll take care of Naruto and welcome him into the family if he's recovered, but Jiraiya doesn't make it back?

Strategically, it loses us nothing, and should make serious progress in integrating Jiraiya into the family if he survives. And it'll also make for a nice goodbye scene, I think.
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I am not opposed to this, but maybe I can put it before the "You make sure to come back now, ya hear?!" bit
 
Is there any way to leverage the Mori favor here? Even something as simple as just telling her she's free to spend it for us if she sees an opportunity to proportionally advance our goals?

I'm serious about looping Kagome in if at all possible. Even twisted intel may be insightful when combined with literally every major power's. He's also no slouch when it comes to mass destruction.
 
[x] Action Plan: Sealsmith of the Gods

I like it. Covers the major stuff we've been chatting about that's viable in a clear and understandable way. I'm a bit leery of the wordcount but we can work on that later.

The one thing I'm not sure about is the tactics v. Akatsuki section. A lot of it either sounds like common sense for someone like Jiraiya or uses information I'm not sure we have. Do we know IC what A or Kakuzu can do, such that A's a good matchup against him? From what I can tell all we know about Kakuzu is that he's got crazy Taijutsu and Kagome thinks he's the 'elemental summoner'. Given that we're already a lot over wordcount, I'd suggest trimming a couple of the more self-evident or dubiously-informed suggestions.
 
I don't think our help is particularly needed when it comes to tactics, yeah. There's so many things we don't know and can't know that J and the other Kage do know that even if our advice wasn't common sense it wouldn't be useful.
 
@MMKII I ask that you we ask if Jiraiya wants us to approach Ren about the possibility of having the Kurosawa scribe seals to equip the strike force
 
Cariyaga said:
I don't think our help is particularly needed when it comes to tactics, yeah. There's so many things we don't know and can't know that J and the other Kage do know that even if our advice wasn't common sense it wouldn't be useful.
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Inferno Vulpix said:
The one thing I'm not sure about is the tactics v. Akatsuki section. A lot of it either sounds like common sense for someone like Jiraiya or uses information I'm not sure we have. Do we know IC what A or Kakuzu can do, such that A's a good matchup against him? From what I can tell all we know about Kakuzu is that he's got crazy Taijutsu and Kagome thinks he's the 'elemental summoner'. Given that we're already a lot over wordcount, I'd suggest trimming a couple of the more self-evident or dubiously-informed suggestions.
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I expect this will be an absolutely massive spoon drain on the QM-side of things. Keeping that and the typical mind fallacy in mind and also how quick the human brain is to mark any given proposed solution to a problem as the "obvious" or "straightforward" thing a posteri, I don't think a reasonable amount of redundancy is uncalled for.

At the end of the day it will keep salt levels down on all sides, and whats a few XP compared to having to deal with politics bullshit if this goes suboptimally?
 
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Is it possible that we can get a waiver on our suggestions and strategies so that we don't have to dedicate a plan solely to giving Jiraiya ideas.

Like, I don't know, talking to Hana so that she doesn't do anything rash against Zabuza?
 
firestorm440 said:
Not entirely sure this is the only valid interpretation. Itachi, for example, could probably not fight off all the rest of Konoha's S-Rankers together. I think it's more so that the cost benefit analysis doesn't hold up so long as they aren't actively generating bigger problems.
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Really depends on the village, with places like Konoha or Mist you're gonna have a rough time for a fairly long while. Then there are places like Hotsprings and Waterfall who had S-Ranks walk out on them and were left alone because what the hell are they gonna be able to do?
 
MMKII said:
I expect this will be an absolutely massive spoon drain on the QM-side of things. Keeping that and the typical mind fallacy in mind and also how quick the human brain is to mark any given proposed solution to a problem as the "obvious" or "straightforward" thing a posteri, I don't think a reasonable amount of redundancy is uncalled for.

At the end of the day it will keep salt levels down on all sides, and whats a few XP compared to having to deal with politics bullshit if this goes suboptimally?
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If the QMs want out of character suggestions on what they should do, then I don't see why we shouldn't help? But this is pushing that into in character stuff. Unless I'm mistaking what you're saying here. Which is possible, I didn't get much sleep last night.
 
Also @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail

Gonna try to scrap together a dice roller that pulls from character sheets with help from a number of people before y'all start rolling dice, so, just checking: I know EJ writes on a mac, what do the other two of you write on? Need to figure out the target OSes.
 
I mean, if you wanted to change the world, gathering every single top-level combatant together with their collective WMD system inside the blast radius of an ancient apocalyptic superweapon all at the same time would certainly be one way to do it...
 
MMKII said:
[x] Action Plan: Sealsmith of the Gods
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Restructured and wordcount-optimized it. This time, for free, no hooks attached whatsoever. (Fine, fine, I added a line about Kagome's intel, but that's all (wait, no, I also deleted the line about Konan; I mean, that was definitely obvious).)

  • Find Jiraiya ASAP for a quick discussion about the assault (high-OPSEC conditions, include Keiko and Noburi).
  • Equipment:
    • Distribute seals from your loadout among the strikeforce as Jiraiya sees fit. Suggestions:
      • Give everyone tons of explosives, and Banshee Slayers + Earbusters/Banshee Fuckers.
        • Sonic damage seems rare, and hard to defend from. Spam it?
      • For Jiraiya: Implosion Seals/Directional Explosives and Goo Bombs (potential live capture).
        • Explain Stacked Implosion Seals.
      • Equip Leaf contingent with Skywalkers.
        • Zabuza surely informed Mist already, and Akatsuki could have reverse-engineered them. Reveal them fully?
    • You can draw more seals, but probably can't learn new ones (concussion).
  • Strategy ideas:
    • Wakahisa Exploitation:
      • Can Keiko can transfer chakra water to the Seventh Path? If yes, you should stay in Mist and get Wakahisa Clan's cooperation. They'll supply chakra barrels, which Keiko will transfer to the front through Jiraiya.
        • Possibility of harmful bloodline/summoning interactions?
        • If that's impossible, the strikeforce should take a number of Wakahisa and chuunin along as chakra batteries (leave them in the rear).
        • + Equip some combatants with chakra water bottles.
      • Per above, the strikeforce will get effectively unlimited chakra. Summoners should summon everyone they can before combat; others should cast Elemental Clones and equip them with seals.
        • This should ensure overwhelming numbers advantage.
    • Pangolin Guard:
      • Keiko could get chakra from Noburi and send her Pangolins along. They can focus on mooks, tank some hits, and support the strikeforce with Maneuvers or buffing ninjutsu (Defend the Log).
      • Warning: Pandaa previously stated that Akatsuki's "dragon" resembled an archaeopteryx, which are Pantokrator's servants. Pangolins are very religious — unlike other summons? — so this might cause a loyalty problem.
  • Tactics:
    • Specific suggestions:
      • Hidan (regenerating immortal?): spam Goo Bombs or Gentle Fist KO.
      • Kakuzu (taijutsu bounty hunter?): assign to A with ranged support.
      • Itachi/Sasori/Deidara/Kisame: assign to teams with someones from their respective villages (to exploit top-secret intel).
      • The leader (?) with the levitation/gravity jutsu: assign to ninja who can fly (with Skywalkers or otherwise).
    • Relay Kagome's information about "a society of summoners". Seems... implausible, but perhaps resembles the truth?
  • To Jiraiya: You owe us one massive victory party, one wedding and one awesome adopted brother, so don't you fucking dare die on us, sir.
  • Work on the above as per Jiraiya's orders.

Lailoken said:
I mean, if you wanted to change the world, gathering every single top-level combatant together with their collective WMD system inside the blast radius of an ancient apocalyptic superweapon all at the same time would certainly be one way to do it...
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Yes. And these Jashin cultists from which half the intel originated — they were such an obvious bait it was a bit offensive. I'll admit I'm pretty confused that this assault is happening the way it's happening.
 
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Didn't we already give Jiraiya intel on our superbombs and Kagome's Akatsuki intel? Wouldn't it be more OPSEC-safe to remind him of this, since he's surely read it already?
 
[x] Action Plan: Sealsmith of the Gods
MMKII said:
Do we want to bring this up? It could very well be a trap.
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Yes, actually. Either there are some interesting conclusions that we've missed, or everyone is so desperate they're willingly walking into a trap. If the latter, we probably should learn in advance, so that we can get ready to sterilize the EN and evacuate to the other side of the planet. (How many people we'll need to take along to ensure sufficient genetic diversity again? Was the number in the hundreds? Thousands?)
faflec said:
Didn't we already give Jiraiya intel on our superbombs and Kagome's Akatsuki intel? Wouldn't it be more OPSEC-safe to remind him of this, since he's surely read it already?
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I don't recall about the superbombs, but I think we only informed him about the first half of Kagome's intel, the one he shared in "The Truth", not about the information he later told Keiko. May be misremembering.
 
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I'm not sure theres much to do in the way of suggestions on the "Its a Trap!" front besides drawing attention to this fact.

MMKII said:
Rough draft, may have missed some things, feel free to steal.

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[x] Action Plan: Sealsmith of the Gods
  • Find Jiraiya ASAP for a quick discussion about the assault (high-OPSEC conditions, include Keiko and Noburi).
  • Equipment:
    • Distribute seals from your loadout among the strikeforce as Jiraiya sees fit. Suggestions:
      • Give everyone tons of explosives, and Banshee Slayers + Earbusters/Banshee Fuckers.
        • Sonic damage seems rare, and hard to defend from. Spam it?
      • For Jiraiya: Implosion Seals/Directional Explosives and Goo Bombs (potential live capture).
        • Explain Stacked Implosion Seals.
      • Equip Leaf contingent with Skywalkers.
        • Zabuza surely informed Mist already, and Akatsuki could have reverse-engineered them. Reveal them fully?
    • You can draw more seals, but probably can't learn new ones (concussion).
  • Strategy ideas:
    • Wakahisa Exploitation:
      • Quickly test if Keiko can transfer chakra water to the Seventh Path. If yes, you should stay in Mist and get Wakahisa Clan's cooperation. They'll supply chakra barrels, which Keiko will transfer to the front through Jiraiya.
        • Possibility of harmful bloodline/summoning interactions?
        • If that's impossible, the strikeforce should take a number of Wakahisa and chuunin along as chakra batteries (leave them in the rear).
        • + Equip some combatants with chakra water bottles.
      • Per above, the strikeforce will get effectively unlimited chakra. Summoners should summon everyone they can before combat; others should cast Elemental Clones and equip them with seals.
        • This should ensure overwhelming numbers advantage.
    • Pangolin Guard:
      • Keiko could get chakra from Noburi and send her Pangolins along. They can focus on mooks, tank some hits, and support the strikeforce with Maneuvers or buffing ninjutsu (Defend the Log).
      • Warning: Pandaa previously stated that Akatsuki's "dragon" resembled an archaeopteryx, which are Pantokrator's servants. Pangolins are very religious — unlike other summons? — so this might cause a loyalty problem.
    • Its a Trap!
      • Its entirely possible that this is exactly what Akatsuki wants and everyone is walking into a massive trap.
      • Not much to do but be wary of surprises while blowing their front door open, I suppose...?
  • Tactics:
    • Specific suggestions:
      • Hidan (regenerating immortal?): spam Goo Bombs or Gentle Fist KO.
      • Kakuzu (taijutsu bounty hunter?): assign to A with ranged support.
      • Itachi/Sasori/Deidara/Kisame: assign to teams with someones from their respective villages (to exploit top-secret intel).
      • The leader (?) with the levitation/gravity jutsu: assign to ninja who can fly (with Skywalkers or otherwise).
    • Remind him of Kagome's information. Could be relevant, maybe?
  • To Jiraiya: If you don't come back but Naruto finds his way home, we'll take good care of him. You owe us one massive victory party, one wedding and one awesome adopted brother, so don't you fucking dare die on us, sir.
  • Work on the above as per Jiraiya's orders.
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MMKII said:
I'm not sure theres much to do in the way of suggestions on the "Its a Trap!" front besides drawing attention to this fact.
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Mention how laughably incompetent the Bloodrage team was on the social front. Even their name — it seems engineered to draw attention. Why do we act as if we could trust anything we got from them, and by extension from their handler?
 
Noumero said:
Mention how laughably incompetent the Bloodrage team was on the social front. Even their name — it seems engineered to draw attention. Why do we act as if we could trust anything we got from them, and by extension from their handler?
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Because Yamanaka are mind readers and even if they were suppose to draw attention like that, are we really assuming that all five major villages are this incompetent?
 
Noumero said:
Mention how laughably incompetent the Bloodrage team was on the social front. Even their name — it seems engineered to draw attention. Why do we act as if we could trust anything we got from them, and by extension from their handler?
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I think that will serve to validate our concerns, yes, but I was speaking more about the inevitable "*Record scratch* So, my name is Jiraiya and it turns out I'm trapped with every other important person inside this ancient doomsday crater. You might be wondering how I got into this situation. Well, its a funny story..."
 
Noumero said:
Mention how laughably incompetent the Bloodrage team was on the social front. Even their name — it seems engineered to draw attention. Why do we act as if we could trust anything we got from them, and by extension from their handler?
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Well, and the giant subcontinent-sized crater they're walking into.

If nothing else, one hopes that Jiraiya will have reverse-summon on a hair trigger.
 
Talk to Hana so that she get your side of the story and hopefully Hana won't do anything rash against a griefing Zabuza.
 
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