Have you seen the insane bullshit that is Akatsuki? I'm not very familiar with canon, so what I knew was "Itachi has the eyes of bullshit, there's that guy who gets your blood and does the Corsican Twins thing with it, and then Pain had six or eight bodies that each do something weird and powerful."

Then @Velorien started walking me through it. These guys are off the scale.
You should see the sort of shit Ohnoki and A do in canon. Personally, I wouldn't bet against Team Omnikage so long as they have some support.
 
By the way, what are we going to do if the Battle of Nagi Island ends with a resounding victory for the allied forces? Specifically, how are we going to deal with Yagura's return?

Then @Velorien started walking me through it. These guys are off the scale.

There is no reason Akatsuki has to be quite as crazy powerful as in canon. Or even just comparatively, after scaling everything down to workable levels. They should only be as powerful as makes sense given that each has a rationally sound life story within the world you have crafted. If Akatsuki had the globally highest concentration of S-rank power, why aren't they a nation equivalent on the world stage?
 
It may be better to plan for the likely but terrifying possibility that nobody returns.

Let me refer you to a previous conversation earlier in this thread.

HAZOU: (sees Konoha burning in the distance: ) Fucking FINALLY! Lethal combat! Hey, Jiraiya, can I use this new superweapon I've been designing? Please? Please?!

...which new superweapon?

HAZOU: (frantically getting uninfused seals out of storage and getting them everywhere: ) I don't care, any of them! All of them!

QMs: Welcome to World of Death, a Post-Apocalyptic Rational Naruto Quest!

Wait, the current setting isn't already post-apocalyptic?

Post-Most-Recent-Apocalyptic!
 
Have you seen the insane bullshit that is Akatsuki? I'm not very familiar with canon, so what I knew was "Itachi has the eyes of bullshit, there's that guy who gets your blood and does the Corsican Twins thing with it, and then Pain had six or eight bodies that each do something weird and powerful."

Then @Velorien started walking me through it. These guys are off the scale.
They are also varying degrees of batshit insane. Which, granted, jounin, but they were batshit even by the standards of the other jounin we see - I could totally see an argument that even as combat monsters individually, their combined effectiveness will be hampered even in comparison to a force made up of Kage who don't like each other. The latter will only betray each other if they think they can get away with it, and it won't screw their assault on Akatsuki - the confederation of S-rank nutjobs who (in canon, granted) only really work in pairs or alone and don't actually get along very well might crumble because Deidara thinks detonating his biggest bomb yet in a melee his "allies" are currently fighting in would be really cool, un.

This is going off of their canon personalities, sure, but if we take it as very roughly true that their degree of batshittery compared to other people we've seen in this quest is preserved, it might still be applicable.
 
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They are also varying degrees of batshit insane. Which, granted, jounin, but they were batshit even by the standards of the other jounin we see - I could totally see an argument that even as combat monsters individually, their combined effectiveness will be hampered even in comparison to a force made up of Kage who don't like each other. The latter will only betray each other if they think they can get away with it, and it won't screw their assault on Akatsuki - the confederation of S-rank nutjobs who (in canon, granted) only really work in pairs or alone and don't actually get along very well might crumble because Deidara thinks detonating his biggest bomb yet in a melee his "allies" are currently fighting in would be really cool, un.

This is going off of their canon personalities, sure, but if we take it as very roughly true that their degree of batshittery compared to other people we've seen in this quest is preserved, it might still be applicable.
You don't (generally) become a missing-nin S-ranker without some degree of antisociability, that's for sure.
 
You don't (generally) become a missing-nin S-ranker without some degree of antisociability, that's for sure.
Also, think about what it means to be an S-rank missing-nin. You grew up in a village, became an important and high-ranked member of their military, learned lots of secrets (jutsu, tactics, codes, personnel files...), and then you threw it all away. You spat on the traditions of your home. You betrayed your friends.

You did all that... And no one hunted you down, because they knew that no combination of their forces could beat you.
 
Things to think about for plan crafting:
- Is there anything that we can do to help Jiraiya with USoUD2 (seals, ideas, etc). If so, we should maybe do that.
- Are there things in mist we want to do before running off (networking with sand and the rest of our 4th task team; any merchant follow- up; see Hana; Yakuza; etc) that we can do quickly before we leave.
- Are there things we need to get/ be ready for right away as acting clan head? Or ways to get ready?
- Let's get the rest of team Uplift together and see how they're doing (though Tsunade will likely be involved in USoUD2, so we can't even confront her about killing Akane).
 
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Clash of the Titans



[J] Plan Nice Try, QMs!
  • Call in Ami's favour:
    1. Take the reins of Gouketsu.
    2. Govern it to the best of your ability to maximise the objective function determined by Hazou's coherent extrapolated volition (for lack of a better term).
    3. Yield control peaceably when/if Jiraiya returns.
Rationale:
Obviously, this is a ploy by the QMs to kill Hazou off and have it be our fault. Consider:
  1. Since we've joined Konoha, we've gotten a competent clan head, a social-spec jounin, and mama to backstop our screw-ups.
  2. QMs have been removing these one-by-one: first mama takes out the social spec, then clan head takes out mama.
  3. And now, the clan head has left us in charge.
Ergo, our social screw-ups are lethal again. We are doomed, unless we get the Unlocked Mori to govern for us.

...If we could get Hana back in Leaf she would be a huge resource, especially if Mari is still out of it. Hana can be trusted, has no other vested interests in Leaf politics, and has formal clan heir training.
 
You did all that... And no one hunted you down, because they knew that no combination of their forces could beat you.

Not entirely sure this is the only valid interpretation. Itachi, for example, could probably not fight off all the rest of Konoha's S-Rankers together. I think it's more so that the cost benefit analysis doesn't hold up so long as they aren't actively generating bigger problems.
 
Also, think about what it means to be an S-rank missing-nin. You grew up in a village, became an important and high-ranked member of their military, learned lots of secrets (jutsu, tactics, codes, personnel files...), and then you threw it all away. You spat on the traditions of your home. You betrayed your friends.

You did all that... And no one hunted you down, because they knew that no combination of their forces could beat you.
"That's fine for you lot," Jiraiya said grimly. "You know what happens when someone of my power level goes missing? Someone who knows all the things I know? Wave after wave of hunters. Sure, as a group we can carve any regular attacker like soft cheese, but can we deal with Byakugan-equipped ninja on skywalkers dropping rocks on us while we sleep? If we ever come out of the woods, can we always be sure that our food isn't poisoned? For that matter, Akatsuki does mercenary work. If I went missing, it would be trivial for Hyūga to mobilize the full resources of Leaf to pay their rates. On my own I could probably survive and escape from an assault of that magnitude, but I couldn't protect the rest of you at the same time.
...so Jiraiya was fucking with us, huh.
 
Also, think about what it means to be an S-rank missing-nin. You grew up in a village, became an important and high-ranked member of their military, learned lots of secrets (jutsu, tactics, codes, personnel files...), and then you threw it all away. You spat on the traditions of your home. You betrayed your friends.

You did all that... And no one hunted you down, because they knew that no combination of their forces could beat you.
Ayup. There's two sides to it. On the one hand, they're stupid-strong. On the other hand, they, more than anyone else in the world perhaps, are used to getting their way. They have the same weakness as Zabuza there, only they have even more issue getting along with people (otherwise, they would not have split from their village in the first place).

Which... is a weakness we should point out.
 
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