Any chance we can get some money to supplement this? Expanding our options as far as potential disguises go would be great, and Mari might appreciate some nice clothes too...
We still have our gambling winnings, don't we? If we're using that then we don't need to bother Jiraiya with asking permission to buy clothes.
We'd like to see Mom
IIRC we don't need Jiraiya's permission to visit Hana, or it's already given or something. There's merit in asking about the ambassador situation but I think there are people here who would appreciate just doing the visit on our own initiative.
 
We still have our gambling winnings, don't we? If we're using that then we don't need to bother Jiraiya with asking permission to buy clothes.

IIRC we don't need Jiraiya's permission to visit Hana, or it's already given or something. There's merit in asking about the ambassador situation but I think there are people here who would appreciate just doing the visit on our own initiative.
Thats fair.

Some people wanted to have a supervised lunch with Ren or something too. Is this something folks would support?
 
Thats fair.

Some people wanted to have a supervised lunch with Ren or something too. Is this something folks would support?
Alternatively, we could also meet with other people in the clan. Maybe there are cousins around Hazou's age that he hasn't ever gotten the chance to meet? Could ask Hana who the decent people are. Anyone Hazou's age wouldn't have had anything to do with what happened to Hana.
 
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PS: Operating on the theory that Mori Ami is "like us" also provides an explanation for her apparently impossible intelligence-gathering capability. The voices in her head are "reading interludes", just like we are.
 
Alternatively, we could also meet with other people in the clan. Maybe there are cousins around Hazou's age that he hasn't ever gotten the chance to meet? Could ask Hana who the decent people are. Anyone Hazou's age wouldn't have had anything to do with what happened to Hana.

We'll need to come up with character justification since he doesn't really want to do anything with the Kurosawa.
 
I expect the QMs would not jeopardize the fourth wall's integrity for the sake of making one character slightly more interesting.

Personally, I still stand by my interpretation that Ami is better understood as an overmind. That is, a portion of her consciousness dedicated to evaluating which portion of her personality should be expressed at a given moment. Remember that we as a hivemind do not control Hazou through each of us pulling him in different directions at different times, but by collaborating on a coherent plan that's a mix of all of us.
 
Alternatively, we could also meet with other people in the clan. Maybe there are cousins around Hazou's age that he hasn't ever gotten the chance to meet? Could ask Hana who the decent people are. Anyone Hazou's age wouldn't have had anything to do with what happened to Hana.
Given Shin's views on the subject I'm not sold on anyone being amicable towards interaction.

Though, if we wanted to build bridges there, we could suggest (and ask permission from J to do this) that Hana bring Shin (or "Someone who isn't 100% a dick") along as an apprentice ambassador or something.

I trust Hana to keep (Shin or Young Kurosawa Brat) busy and with the home field advantage we have way more leverage to stop any social manipulation plot bullshit.

It also does (Shin or Young Kurosawa Brat) a decent solid by skyrocketing their career. One can presumably convince them then that mutual cooperation would be more beneficial to both of us than needless antagonism.
 
Ami was pretty mad at us: she threw our gift away with a stupid excuse.

My interpretation of this is that she wanted to do her little striptease from the start (hence her comments about the water being freezing), and the gift was simply the first decent opportunity for that. I don't think she was mad at Hazou yet at that point.

She didn't seem to believe us when we told her she hurt Keiko, or at least she acted like she didn't.

Did she? She started off very intentionally gaslighting and stonewalling us, then got upset, and then actually used the Frozen Skein in a situation where it was a potential danger to her life. After all, if Hazou wanted to explode her there and then, he could have.

I'll try to write a more detailed analysis soon-ish, and I also want to try and put it in as a "Hazou realizes" section, which he can then relay to the rest of the clan however he wants. What say you?
 
Ami ends up taking Hazo on as her apprentice in political trolling

Ami: There's so much to address here. First off the kanji for explosion on the outside.

Hazo: what was wrong with it

Ami: Well while it would very likely have caused major offense after the extreme freakout a confirmed sealmaster sending anything "explosion related" on a parchment would have caused, all of which I approve of by the way funny stuff, it's also waaaaaaay too blunt. I mean, you have to balance the line between messing with and/or completely screwing with a person for giggles and causing enough of an incident to get executed over. This, easy way to screw yourself in the long run. I will give you points though, this actually made me jump for a second, know your audience young grasshopper.

Hazo: yes ma'am

Ami: Now this line here "yoosa" really?

Hazo: What it's funny

Ami: No it's not, writing to sound like a drunk slurring their speech is not....ok well it can be but not here. You're sending this to a noble clan, you want them to think you're messing with them, not that you're a toddler just learning to spell.

Ami: Also what is a boomerang supposed to mean?

Hazo: Well it's like a pun of "you rang?", but I'm using the word boomerang instead for the lewls.

Ami:....you mean lols?

Hazo: yeah what did I say?

Ami: Jashin Christ....ok but what even is a boomerang?

Hazo: Oh it's this idea I had where you.....no comment

Ami: Thank the Sage you're learning something at least. Ok take this back, drop what I told you to drop, and think up an actual witty message to mess with my clan with when you send it.

Hazo: What about the part with the Avocado?

Ami: DO NOT TOUCH THAT

Hazo: wha-

Ami: I'm completely serious here, you nailed it with that, 10/10 would not change that whatsoever. Leave the avacado as is.

Hazo: I am so lost

Ami: That's why you're my apprentice dumb-dumb
 
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If you'd like to put in the legwork on that, I'd be sure to include it.

Allright. Please give feedback, I'm kind of exhausted and don't trust myself not to miss things here.

Hazou's thoughts:
  • Ami played with him again:
    • Her gift was literally a series of distractions.
    • The kunai being potentially dangerous is a thin excuse. She accepted the stamp with no hesitation.
      • It's likely she wanted to do the striptease to begin with, and simply found a decent excuse.
    • Mood swings very similar to the first meeting.
    • Literal games. She wasn't even trying to pretend they weren't.
  • Continued signs of disillusionment with the world's systems, and cynical fatalism.
    • First meeting, it was about her friends being sent to their deaths by the village.
    • This time, inter-clan marriages.
    • That she "made sacrifices to remain outside this system" should be verifiable.
  • Keiko clearly means something to Ami.
    • She changed her tack from playful to stonewall immediately. Wouldn't even acknowledge the issue.
    • She got genuinely angry when accused, and immediately turned it around.
    • Went into a Frozen Skein trance, presumably making herself vulnerable. Getting the right answer was that important to her.
  • Hazou takes the time to consider Ami's tactics, and think of both countermeasures, and ways of applying them himself.
 
Her gift was literally a series of distractions.
There's the very obvious way where Ami used the gift to toy with us, which Hazou was already aware of during the meeting, and I don't think I agree with the other way this could be seen as a distraction. It's got something for us to do, but she was clear about what it was and we presumably have the self-control to make a proper judgement on whether it's worth our time.
That she "made sacrifices to remain outside this system" should be verifiable.
This seems a bit too direct if you ask me. We'd have to basically ask influential people in Mist if Ami was ever lined up for political marriage, and what she did to get out of it. Most of this - especially the last part - are only really going to be known by the higher-ups of the Mori and whatever other clan was involved, and I'm not inclined to set up a meeting with Ryugamine and Biwako just to fact-check something Ami said to us.

Other than that, I do like this section quite a bit. It should help Hazou get his head back on straight after the craziness of the meeting.
 
This seems a bit too direct if you ask me. We'd have to basically ask influential people in Mist if Ami was ever lined up for political marriage, and what she did to get out of it. Most of this - especially the last part - are only really going to be known by the higher-ups of the Mori and whatever other clan was involved, and I'm not inclined to set up a meeting with Ryugamine and Biwako just to fact-check something Ami said to us.

Keiko might know a bit about this actually, but other than that I have to agree it's not worth looking too deep into.
 
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