Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

[eaglejarl]

So, you're authoritatively confirming that our teammates betraying us wasn't the huge negative thing

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In the interest of moving things along: correct, your teammates betraying you isn't what I was referencing when I mentioned the "extremely important negative thing".

Hi, I'm new here. I've seen this acronym pop up a few times. What does "HDK" mean?


Not green YOUTHFUL enough!

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Welcome! Nice to see new faces. How did you find us?

The implications of b) are very bad for us due to the fact that we can only gain minimal points being stuck in the building

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Alternate way of looking at it: this is great, because it means that ALL the red teams will be coming to you, so you can make tons of prisoner points!

I think with the facility as we have it, we can stack 5SB on the walls floors and ceiling as necessary and keep a few Usamatsu and tunnelers friends in every room in case of gas attack.

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Note that 5SB only affects a single object of up to a max volume and it can be fussy about its definition of "object". The wall of a building is unlikely to count.

There's a list of about a dozen or two questions we can ask the proctor in a small amount of the 1.5 hours of waiting we have left.

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I'm afraid the proctor is done answering questions.

She makes it very clear that you're just being overly fussy and it's all ridiculous and oh boo boo you don't have everything spelled out for you and need to actually apply some brain power just like in the real world and cry me a river you pansy-ass trai-- brats.

Your teammates listen to this, and go "ohhh...guess you weren't kidding."

Do me a favor and link the questions in the post with the plan so that I can actually write this scene. I won't count it against your word count.

Speaking of word count, I'm loosening things a bit for this update. Threshold is 300, max is 2, negative is possible.

 

[Enjou]

In the interest of moving things along: correct, your teammates betraying you isn't what I was referencing when I mentioned the "extremely important negative thing".

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Well, that's reassuring then. No real chance for wordplay there.

Anyways, do we have a list of the other negative things we came up with between the "you haven't found it yet" and the "you've found it" posts from before? We'll need to account for the possibilities in our plan.

But if I had to have my guess, it's that the proctors won't be present, and people can try to use that to screw us over using the Severe Consequences rule. I think we can avoid that by taking our victims to the med-nin. And that our proctor is crippled and would be slower to respond to any requests for her presence is also a likely indicator that this is the thing.

 

[Emstar]

Your teammates listen to this, and go "ohhh...guess you weren't kidding."

Do me a favor and link the questions in the post with the plan so that I can actually write this scene. I won't count it against your word count.

Speaking of word count, I'm loosening things a bit for this update. Threshold is 300, max is 2, negative is possible.

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That's fair as well! Just wanted to exhaust that avenue.

Although with respect to word count: I have a feeling we will be sacrificing the bonus XP this update in exchange for fielding a platoon of good strategies and contingencies directly into Hazou's brain.

 

[Adept_Woodwright]

Do we know how many points do we need to qualify for tournament?

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We know we lost ~450 points relative to Kurenai and Waterfall (at least some of them) and no more than 400 points to anyone else, but more likely 300 wrt most top teams. We were in the lead, or close to it before.

Estimate:
So we need 450 points to guarantee first, and likely something like 350 points to likely get a spot in the tournament (not counting word halves)

 

[Emstar]

Alternate way of looking at it: this is great, because it means that ALL the red teams will be coming to you, so you can make tons of prisoner points!
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Guys:


We can foist off downed enemy Reds this round onto a specific Blue Teams facility to widen the point gap between us and the other three Blue Teams!!!

 

[Enjou]

Guys:


We can foist off downed enemy Reds this round onto a specific Blue Teams facility to widen the point gap between us and the other three Blue Teams!!!

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We had thought of that before, didn't we? Especially if Team Asuma is a blue team this round.

Alternatively, we can make a MEW "cell" to contain prisoners. Which cell you're being held in doesn't really matter.

EDIT - also, eaglejarl's comment was referring to Round 2, when we're stuck in a building.

 

[Tua]

Alternate way of looking at it: this is great, because it means that ALL the red teams will be coming to you, so you can make tons of prisoner points!

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This reminds me a bit too much of the retconned swamp fortress attack which didn't go in our favor at all. (ﾟ⊿ﾟ)

Them coming for us than not at all is still vastly preferable though so intimidating them TOO much is just as bad.

Anyway, throwing this out for the rest of the planners: we should try to make nice with our current team members due them a) not being direct competition with us next round and b) they can vouch for us should it come to a dispute between Jiraiya and Mist in terms of ruling, I.e. other Blue Teams not being penalized for roaming but Mist trying to DQ us for it.

Leaf being so much more powerful and influential than Mist is currently, I am sure we can convince them to remain on our side.

 

[Kiba]

We had thought of that before, didn't we? Especially if Team Asuma is a blue team this round.

Alternatively, we can make a MEW "cell" to contain prisoners. Which cell you're being held in doesn't really matter.

EDIT - also, eaglejarl's comment was referring to Round 2, when we're stuck in a building.

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MEW cell is chakra intensive though.

 

[Emstar]

We had thought of that before, didn't we? Especially if Team Asuma is a blue team this round.

Alternatively, we can make a MEW "cell" to contain prisoners. Which cell you're being held in doesn't really matter.

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I wasn't aware of this and all the calcs I've seen didn't take this into account.

If Asuma is Red Team then this points sorta moot, if Asuma is Blue we can take out 2/3 of their Blue Team but leave them 27 Reds = 270 points, assuming their fellow Blues aren't people we are targeting: Top Teams, Team Downfall, etc.

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Also nowhere does it say 1 prisoner to a cell. We can thoroughly hogtie them up and stuff them in like sardines, bind hands , tie them to the cell bars, etc.

 

[traverseda]

Does anyone here know anything about systems dynamics? I work a lot with python, and know my way around the python data science tooling, and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations on learning systems dynamics with python.

 

[Emstar]

Does anyone here know anything about systems dynamics? I work a lot with python, and know my way around the python data science tooling, and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations on learning systems dynamics with python.

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I personally don't but its likely some other people here do and can PM you about it.

Try r/rational at tomorrows off-topic thread or some other subreddit more specified to that topic, you'll likely have a greater pool of candidates.

 

[Sentient Tree]

Killing chakra beasts is already a normal ninja mission and the idea was to employ civilians so that it is a business operated by civilians that we just happen to own. Ninjas can probably supply the workers but having ninjas do the actual butchering would probably infringe upon the workers' rights the Merchant Council exists to protect.

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Haven't finished reading, so I don't know if this has been mentioned, but what if we combine the chakra beast farm with the meat processing plant? If we grow the chakra beasts up and then slaughter/sell the meat, it looks like we're just doing this to make money, rather than to have a source of infinite chakra.

 

[OliWhail]

Does anyone here know anything about systems dynamics? I work a lot with python, and know my way around the python data science tooling, and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations on learning systems dynamics with python.

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One of my classes in undergrad used a pair of packages called Tellurium and Antimony to simulate system dynamics. It was meant for genetic circuits and similar biological things but the actual math is generic.

E: now I think on it, that may have been for python 2, and I've no idea if they've updated it

 

[Roomba]

Do me a favor and link the questions in the post with the plan so that I can actually write this scene

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You mean my proto plan? @MMKII do you have the list somewhere?

negative is possible

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Curses!

 

[Emstar]

You mean my proto plan? @MMKII do you have the list somewhere?

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He means in the actual plan we vote in,I can compile a list by the end of today and get back to you on that.

I'm going to try to come up with a skeleton of a plan later as well.

 

[Magnive]

Curses!

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Clearly, we need to cause overflow errors.

 

[Noumero]

@Roomba, what about the rest of my suggestions? Contingencies in particular, it's now likely one of them is The Bad Thing.

In the interest of moving things along: correct, your teammates betraying you isn't what I was referencing when I mentioned the "extremely important negative thing".

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Are you now just wanting to see how many shadows we'll manage to see and jump at explode? It's a very effective planning-assisting technique, I'll give you that. We've noticed so many things we wouldn't have seen ordinarily. I wonder if we can replicate it?

 

[QTesseract]

Hazō doesn't know.

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Damn, you'd really think we would have figured out what such a commonly used acronym means by now.

 

[Emstar]

Are you now just wanting to see how many shadows we'll manage to see and jump at explode? It's a very effective planning-assisting technique, I'll give you that. We've noticed so many things we wouldn't have seen ordinarily. I wonder if we can replicate it?

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Just elect someone every important update or so to spend 3 hours running MadEyeMoodyEmulator.exe and see what pops out.

 

[Enjou]

By the by, which Leaf team do we think is likely on the opposite side for us? I would think it likely that Mist will put someone from Leaf on our blue team opposition.

Kurenai seems somewhat likely to me, since we're less likely to cut a deal with them and they have abilities that would allow them to see us coming.

 

[faflec]

By the by, which Leaf team do we think is likely on the opposite side for us? I would think it likely that Mist will put someone from Leaf on our blue team opposition.

Kurenai seems somewhat likely to me, since we're less likely to cut a deal with them and they have abilities that would allow them to see us coming.

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Kurenai for the first round, Asuma for the second.

 

[Emstar]

By the by, which Leaf team do we think is likely on the opposite side for us? I would think it likely that Mist will put someone from Leaf on our blue team opposition.

Kurenai seems somewhat likely to me, since we're less likely to cut a deal with them and they have abilities that would allow them to see us coming.

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I would wager on Kurenai as well.

This gives us a chance to both give or lose Jiraiya some street cred, so you can bet that Ren would put it in since its a double edged sword with plausible deniability on both sides of her negotiating table (Leaf, Mist clans).

 

[Roomba]

@Roomba, what about the rest of my suggestions? Contingencies in particular, it's now likely one of them is The Bad Thing.

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Oops, forgot about those.

Ask our proctor more questions.

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Already doing it, proctor refuses to cooperate according to @eaglejarl.

Add plan for finding lockboxes and keys, confirming they're legitimate (search & interrogate).

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I think the team can figure this out on their own.

Inflict Mental Consequences on downed enemies, try to intimidate them for R2.

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I'm not sure I want to overdo the intimidation right now. We want to cooperate with at least some of the candidates in round 2, and going out of our way to terrify them could impede that.

• Try to control enemies' behaviour in R2 with their word-halves (e. g., "we put them in 7th Path, will give back if you cooperate").

• Convince/intimidate our current teammates into R2 cooperation.

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Doesn't need to go into this plan. We can do this during the break.

• Define how we behave around fetched proctors.

• Define whether we fetch proctors in certain situations.

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Behaviour around fetched proctors is heavily context dependent, so I'm going to trust our team to handle it on their own.

I think the same is true about fetching proctors, unless you want something very specific?

• Have Keiko study secret documents if possible, maybe they're important.

• Contingencies for:
  • Several Teams/Mist agents try to destroy/kill us.
  • Blue Team fled the building: fetch a proctor.
  • We're ambushed the moment we leave our proctor.

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I think we'll at least give the documents a cursory glance without prompting. Of the other contingencies, the first one I don't know how we can prevent; the second one is obvious; and the third one I'm not sure how to counter without leaving our proctor's sight.

 

[Tua]

(...) and the third one I'm not sure how to counter without leaving our proctor's sight.

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This isn't possible anyway.

Red Teams are being held by their proctors so unless our hourglass is wrong, we are being released at the same time.

Blue Teams aren't stupid enough to run that close to a proctor when being spotted out of their building is risking them -1k points. Bias or not, they can't be that blatant about the favoritism.

 

[Kiba]

@Roomba, what about the rest of my suggestions? Contingencies in particular, it's now likely one of them is The Bad Thing.


Are you now just wanting to see how many shadows we'll manage to see and jump at explode? It's a very effective planning-assisting technique, I'll give you that. We've noticed so many things we wouldn't have seen ordinarily. I wonder if we can replicate it?

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Remember the Skywalking Ninja Kid incident? And the incident regarding that tearful wife? Yeah, we were jumping at shadow, and in one instance I had to tell people that they're jumping at shadow.