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...do we even have a chance of making it to the tournament anymore? I mean, we're at the bottom half of the standings ATM, and if Mist has any brains at all they'll simply make it so that we can't get to the tournament no matter how many points we score.
There are two ways I can think of for you to reach the tournament. @Oneiros called one of them.

Needless to say, this next event is critical.
 
Also, take word halves. People who lose them will lose points. Not having word halves at the end of the events will cost people.



I would prioritize it in the order of Keiko > Hazou > Noburi based on who would do best in the tournament. Noburi has become more comfortable with him being the support element of the team.
On the other hand, Noburi's ripe for a compel.

@MadScientist Could you explain why Keiko's the best choice? I feel like Hazou has substantially higher rolls.

Relatedly, we should spend time getting some sort of aerosolizable poison prepared.
 
YES. YES WE MUST DO THIS. Except it's no bluff.

[X] Game Theoretic Coercion
  • Inform STL that, unless otherwise barred from doing so by the event rules, we intend use up to the entirety of the lethality of our sealing arsenal to ensure the complete and utter annihilation of anyone who stands in our way of the goal. Inform them that usage of such will be loudly announced ahead of time, and that every opportunity will be given to clear out of the way. Further, we intend to make it known to everyone that this is our strategy.
  • Sleep in shifts, maintain security, get to the event on time
  • Leave Noburi or Keiko to answer questions on the above


@Radvic It's not quite "time," but this is definitely worthy of summoning you for. :)
Seems legit. I'm ready for some international war. Would be a fun environment for our new character, unless QMs decide to leave this universe for one without henge after Hazou's death. Then again, that'd give us a chance to build an optimized character, maybe pursue the technique hacking path to power? I'm on board enough for a drive-by vote.

[X] Game Theoretic Coercion
 
[X] Default

At least for now, rather than the plan that is about us deliberately getting all Leaf teams kicked out of Mist Village and sent home in shame.
 
[X] Default


[X] Default

At least for now, rather than the plan that is about us deliberately getting all Leaf teams kicked out of Mist Village and sent home in shame.
You mean killboxed?


Can you think of a way to convince Noburi to sacrifice his potential placement in the tournament for ours or Keikos? Because I cannot.
 
Plz write ambush plan. This isn't the time to be overly cautious.
How about we start brainstorming:

- Ambush
- Get minor villages to assist
- Strategically tell Nobs we should Prioritize Keiko> Hazou> Noburi
- We are not to use the kid gloves against Team Kurenai


We will need strategies for at least some of the above if we are doing anything substantial this update
 
How about we start brainstorming:

- Ambush
- Get minor villages to assist
- Strategically tell Nobs we should Prioritize Keiko> Hazou> Noburi
- We are not to use the kid gloves against Team Kurenai


We will need strategies for at least some of the above if we are doing anything substantial this update

Not using kid gloves with Team Kurenai ends with them dead :p I'm also not convinced Keiko's a better choice than Hazou.
 
Plz write ambush plan. This isn't the time to be overly cautious.
Observation: Ambush plan requires us to heavily stack the deck, which was the reason I gave up on it the last voting cycle: We weren't assured of STL's cooperation, and without them we don't have the ability to ambush fuckers and do well on the next Event due to the possibility of taking Consequences, not to mention the risk of us being defeated outright. I do not trust non-STL ninjas (read: minor villages) since we're an easy mark/former top team and have targets painted on our back for other reasons (read: the traitor thing, the Cold Stone Killers thing). Also it's evening and they may not enjoy a last-minute all-nighter waiting for guys to show up.

I'm not saying I won't agree to an ambush plan but it had better be out of this world.
Adhoc vote count started by faflec on Jul 6, 2018 at 9:44 AM, finished with 110 posts and 9 votes.
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    [X] Default
    [X] Game Theoretic Coercion
    [X] Literally Not The Plan Referenced By The Plan Above
    [X] Default
    [x] Plan Literally Anything Except for Vecht's Plan
    -[x] Take a wait and see approach to the next exam.
    --[x]By that, I mean we still gather what information we can without breaking the rules or OPSEC. Try our best to include STL.
 
Observation: Ambush plan requires us to heavily stack the deck, which was the reason I gave up on it the last voting cycle: We weren't assured of STL's cooperation, and without them we don't have the ability to ambush fuckers and do well on the next Event due to the possibility of taking Consequences, not to mention the risk of us being defeated outright. I do not trust non-STL ninjas (read: minor villages) since we're an easy mark/former top team and have targets painted on our back for other reasons (read: the traitor thing, the Cold Stone Killers thing). Also it's evening and they may not enjoy a last-minute all-nighter waiting for guys to show up.

I'm not saying I won't agree to an ambush plan but it had better be out of this world.
I have no doubt that if we put our minds to it we could convince Team Kurenai to help.
 
I'm not saying I won't agree to an ambush plan but it had better be out of this world.
We don't *necessarily * need to physically be there fighting for an ambush to succeed.

We could booby trap a few locations near the event, get other teams of varying nationalities to show up. Hope they fight it out or set off the traps with a little persuasion.


Edit: I don't believe Team Kurenai could be made complient in this.

We could possibly persuade Team Asuma though! We are likely to all be fucked over in the next event anyway, so thinking the herd is advantageous to all of us.

On the other hand, this would be pretty bad if we fail so I'm not sure Shika would go for it unless we came up with a ringer
 
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I keep saying it, and no one is giving it much time.

We need to have a plan for what to do when Team Uplift are on opposite sides and points for one means the other loses points. Because that is exactly the set-up here. And I'm sure Mist will design the Event so refusing to fight each other means both sides lose points and get eliminated.

Shikamaru's theory is that it's going to be two rounds, with teams switching roles. There's a distinct possibility that we won't be able to tell who exactly is in the opposing team. Given this, and our ignorance of the exact rules, I think it's fine to play the first round normally, and then the losing party sabotages their side for the second round. That way, we have at least one person with two wins.

That said, I anticipate that the scoring rules will attempt to disincentivize this kind of strategy, as it will turn the event into a stupid mess of betrayals everywhere.
 
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We don't *necessarily * need to physically be there fighting for an ambush to succeed.

We could booby trap a few locations near the event, get other teams of varying nationalities to show up. Hope they fight it out or set off the traps with a little persuasion.
This seems reasonable. Not the "get other teams to show up" but the trapping part. Spend a couple of hours making basic traps (or maybe just getting a trapmaking Pangolin to do it) and some teams might get KO'd without serious consequences, as long as the traps aren't crazy-overpowered.
 
This seems reasonable. Not the "get other teams to show up" but the trapping part. Spend a couple of hours making basic traps (or maybe just getting a trapmaking Pangolin to do it) and some teams might get KO'd without serious consequences, as long as the traps aren't crazy-overpowered.
That is not enough. There is no point in doing this if we don't take out masses of people.
 
That is not enough. There is no point in doing this if we don't take out masses of people.
No but taking out like, 9 people could still be helpful, in conjunction with everything else.

There's absolutely no reason we can't do this and sow some major chaos elsewhere, and try to bargain marginal political favors to get some of the solo minor village noobs to both take a bow for us in the event as well as aggressively cripple Non Leaf nin.
 
There's absolutely no reason we can't do this and sow some major chaos elsewhere, and try to bargain marginal political favors to get some of the solo minor village noobs to both take a bow for us in the event as well as aggressively cripple Non Leaf nin.
I do not believe that bribing minor village-nin into failing the Event is at all plausible. They aren't rational agents; they're a bunch of prideful teenagers with their own village's well-being to think about. There is no way in hell that they'll do this. If anything they'll pretend to and immediately betray us.
 
I do not believe that bribing minor village-nin into failing the Event is at all plausible. They aren't rational agents; they're a bunch of prideful teenagers with their own village's well-being to think about. There is no way in hell that they'll do this. If anything they'll pretend to and immediately betray us.
*throws hands up*

Fair points.


Ok, one more thing we haven't considered: did our dossier leak work?

We've been given no indication it was successful. It's entirely plausible someone took the time to scoop them all up afterwards, neutralizing our efforts.
 
aggressively cripple Non Leaf nin

May I introduce you to the concept of Fire Log macerators?

Large AoE allows for many enemy ninja to be caught? Check.
Hitherto unknown effect means less ability to work around it? Check (well, aside from Akane and Sakura's terrible OpSec from earlier)
Borderline lethal with probable crippling effects on lung s? Check.
Shock & Awe nature of the attack allows allied-nin to escape relatively easily? Check.

There is a mild possibility that enemies die of oxygen depletion, or combustion, or everything they are wearing catches fire and only henge can save them, but I feel like it falls under the category of "aggressively cripple."
 
May I introduce you to the concept of Fire Log macerators?

Large AoE allows for many enemy ninja to be caught? Check.
Hitherto unknown effect means less ability to work around it? Check (well, aside from Akane and Sakura's terrible OpSec from earlier)
Borderline lethal with probable crippling effects on lung s? Check.
Shock & Awe nature of the attack allows allied-nin to escape relatively easily? Check.

There is a mild possibility that enemies die of oxygen depletion, or combustion, or everything they are wearing catches fire and only henge can save them, but I feel like it falls under the category of "aggressively cripple."
Um. You know. We could oxygen starve the fortresses as a tactic.
 
May I introduce you to the concept of Fire Log macerators?

Large AoE allows for many enemy ninja to be caught? Check.
Hitherto unknown effect means less ability to work around it? Check (well, aside from Akane and Sakura's terrible OpSec from earlier)
Borderline lethal with probable crippling effects on lung s? Check.
Shock & Awe nature of the attack allows allied-nin to escape relatively easily? Check.

There is a mild possibility that enemies die of oxygen depletion, or combustion, or everything they are wearing catches fire and only henge can save them, but I feel like it falls under the category of "aggressively cripple."
Funny = Screaming In Kagome
 
Um. You know. We could oxygen starve the fortresses as a tactic.
Unlikely. We only have 5 fire-log macerators each, and I think that'd only be sufficient for maybe one fortress for maybe a minute. We could exterminate the fortresses eliminating the teams inside with fire as structural damage is largely avoided though. Basically, be bug-exterminators.
 
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