I've been conceptualising it as "You have the option to use gauntlets, and this gives you additional opportunities to attack where you couldn't without them. Rings also give you such opportunities, and the sets of opportunities they grant do not perfectly overlap. Hence, they give stacking bonuses to attack."
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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I've been conceptualising it as "You have the option to use gauntlets, and this gives you additional opportunities to attack where you couldn't without them. Rings also give you such opportunities, and the sets of opportunities they grant do not perfectly overlap. Hence, they give stacking bonuses to attack."
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Could always just do a simple patch like "+3 by themselves, +4/5 together" @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
The big benefit of the gauntlets is that they should give their bonus on both attack and defensive taijutsu rolls, where the macerator rings should logically work only on attacks.
I'unno. I can picture ways that you could block a punch by shooting macerated granite into the attacker's arm just in the nick of time.
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You mean you'll put the story behind a paywall? NO!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!!
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Why? You only roll taijutsu as defense against melee attacks anyway, and it makes perfect sense to me to be able to use what's effectively a shotgun to keep someone from hitting you?...
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It makes him look like Freddy Krueger, especially when he just woke up and his face and hair look funny. There you go, found a downside.
Because to use them you have to activate a seal, which is a conscious effort that requires some concentration and a small amount of chakra infusion. With the Macerator rings the activation is folded into the Standard action used for attacks, but normally activating seals would at least be a supplementary action. I don't really see it as part of a regular defensive roll.
The rings have little boxes with paper seals inside them - the seals aren't on the rings themselves:
Not sure how many seals fit in a ring box, but I imagine it's enough that we haven't had to worry about tracking them in the past (beyond how many we have total, of course).
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One per box, one ring per finger. You are correct otherwise.
Wait, did Kagome claim that? I thought he said he'd put seals on paper, wood, and stone. But that putting seals on human flesh (the topic of discussion) was a stupid idea because flesh warps and eventually you end up with a seal that has a distorted shape that causes distorted reality.
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Doesn't the explosive effect destroy the seal itself?
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It destroys paper seals.
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Also considering that 3 paper seals can sit inside and not be damaged to the point of concern with the first shot etc?
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For the record, I have given up on trying to keep you guys at levels appropriate for talented ninja <2 years out of the Academy. Clearly we overestimated how hard it is to get 60+ dice for punching...which is fine, it simply changes our priors on designing enemies. The ninja who are sent to the Exams are typically the best of the best, so obviously that level is more dangerous than we'd thought.
The seals are shaped charges. All the force goes in one direction, so you're fine as long as you are careful to only trigger the outermost seal.
EDIT: Overestimated, not underestimated. It's obviously easier than we thought.
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Well, just keep in mind all the advantages Hazou has that they probably don't, which include seals, Pangolin techniques, and fighting styles. (Which in total amount to a total of ~+15 skill; +5 Roki, +5 PH, +3/6 macerators/claws)
e: That said, the average ninja sent to the chuunin exams probably has ~+8-10 misc to their combat stats.
e2: Though, you may also want to reevaluate our Leaf chuunin exam cohorts with that being the case... not sure someone like Sakura or Kiba would be sent if they have low 30s.
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Probably not the average, but maybe the top, oh, third or so? Higher as you go higher, of course. Average is probably +3-7 (combat styles or seals or bloodline advantages), with us unusually advantaged people stacking multiple bonuses. Combat-applicable bloodline + Fighting Style that leverages said bloodline + seals + special Summon-sourced gear is probably a couple normal teams' worth of awesome
. Then someone like Neji (combat friendly bloodline + Fighting Style) would be more typical.
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I mean we clearly are a ringer team. There should be 12-24 ninja on our level but the vast majority of ninja should auto lose to us. We are basically a Coinflip to make the tourney
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The top will always have some measure of ridiculous bullshit. Remember @eaglejarl, that you had the finals of the previous exam end in a Jinchuuriki showdown. The winner, Naruto, proceeded to then solo Zabuza, an elite Mist jounin who terrorized our dreams since the start of this quest.
Really, Hazou's 60 Taijutsu is pretty tame compared to that. Especially considering a decent chunk of it requires continuous chakra expense that he can't realistically sustain for more than a few rounds.
So, while I wouldn't necessarily expect Naruto level tomfoolery in this exam, we're still bound to have a few people way above the normal curve.
Really, Hazou's 60 Taijutsu is pretty tame compared to that. Especially considering a decent chunk of it requires continuous chakra expense that he can't realistically sustain for more than a few rounds.
So, while I wouldn't necessarily expect Naruto level tomfoolery in this exam, we're still bound to have a few people way above the normal curve.
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On another note, if we can get Akane and/or Noburi techniques that would allow them to roll an attack against all combatants engaged in melee with them it'd work out pretty well for them. It'd make Noburi particularly prickly to fight in concert with Hozuki's Mantle, and would contrast against Hazou's high rolls versus a single target.
Some of them even in this group of 12.
Frankly, I think canon has desensitized us to some of the bullshit here. Shikamaru can take control of your body and make you cut your own throat. Oh what's that Jack, you can punch good? I sure hope you can punch good before Nara takes control of your body through your shadow. Or Ino. Ino can full-up possess you, march your body back into camp, and set off all the explosive seals as a suicide bomber. Chouji can turn into a giant. Neji can shut your body down with a touch.
It's Quadratic Wizard versus Linear Fighter. Pumping up numbers sounds great until you realize the other guy has a save-or-lose "I win" button that he can mash that makes bigger numbers irrelevant.
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I wonder if OliWhail's writing the update as it is or if he'd let us change to having the furthest ahead ambushers underground.
e: It occurs to me that Noburi could substitute in with Hozuki's Mantle active, in combination with Pangolin Training Jutsu, to take a 4-stress hit for someone else without hitting his own stress.
e: It occurs to me that Noburi could substitute in with Hozuki's Mantle active, in combination with Pangolin Training Jutsu, to take a 4-stress hit for someone else without hitting his own stress.
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