No problem. And to prove myself wrong since i can think of something to mention here, I don't know how commonly genin will have CR 20 or how precisely we can target and nab those. It's a doublecost stat and Hazo had larger reserves than a small but notable fraction of new jonin when he had, what, CR 30? To me it's not impossible that some near-chunin genin might have CR at 20 for whatever reason but it seems like a small demographic we can't reliably target who would be more trouble than usual for genin.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
No, we've never seen him teleport.
I assumed that observing the technique with the sharingan gave him 1 rank automatically, even if he hasn't chosen to level it further, but I could be incorrect.
A young... Kangaroo(?) touched some of the leftover fire long after the battle and died.
From this, I concluded that Amaterasu probably spreads on things that have chakra(expanding to engulf the target, spreading to the 'roo) but don't spread otherwise.
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It hasn't been made explicitly clear, but:
In addition to the uses you mentioned already, back when we first encountered Itachi and Hidan, we saw some black Fire burning in braziers they were using for... I guess looking cool? Illumination? They really are a dramatic bunch. Anyways, it implies that it can burn for quite a long time if Itachi can just leave it around. Or maybe he has some other secret black Fire ninjutsu, but my first thought would be that it is indeed Amaterasu.
In addition to this, Orochimaru called it 'unblockable' which implies to me certain things about armor techniques, obstacles, etc. It sounds like it straight up cannot be extinguished prematurely, and it will eat through anything you shield yourself with. But it's also true that Oro doesn't know everything and he too has a penchant for melodrama.
Overall, I think erring on the side of "will burn through pretty much anything and keep on burning it" isn't unreasonable, even if it isn't literally everything. That being said, I expect force domes to be among the most durable things that currently exist in the entire world, so if anything can resist it, Force Dome would probably be a good candidate.
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Wait, were we planning on actively sailing at all times? I thought the idea was to sail to a spot in the ocean and stay there, and then repeat every few weeks.
This whole idea is very confusing to me.
On that topic, I'm more concerned about Samehada potentially eating a force dome since seals and runes often involve chakra constructs in our current understanding. Can we cook up something that affects chakra constructs some way or another and see if it works on force domes? Unsure if the dome/wall/etc is an invulnerable force construct created by chakra or if the invulnerable force shape is the chakra construct.
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Current understanding of seals and runes is that they do not involve chakra unless designed to. According to Hazo and Kagome, it's magic. I've asked the QMs about whether seals and runes make chakra constructs or not but have not gotten an answer yet.
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Ah, same here actually! Never would've thought one quest would be keeping up with all my major life events.
Ah, thanks. Hmm. Did any of the MS chain do anything with chakra constructs specifically? I forget if it was that or just nearby chakra some of them were handling.
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Alternatively, here's the build-plan that a couple of us cooked up on discord. Most of the credit goes to the glorious @ProperAttorney, King of the Spreadsheets. Long may he reign!
The Dodgey Option
TOTAL: 3116 XP
Calligraphy 45 -> 47 [93 XP]✅Technique Hacker [250 XP]✅TH 0 -> 10 [110 XP]✅- Alertness 36 -> 39 [114 XP]
- Athletics 37 -> 39 [77 XP]
- Taijutsu 40 -> 47 [308 XP]
- Deceit 26 -> 30 [114 XP]
Runecraft 11 -> 20 [288 XP] ✅- Athletics 39 -> 49 [445 XP]
- Lightning Element [500 XP]
- SotS 0 -> 30 [465 XP]
- Pangolin Flash 0 -> 20 [105 XP]
- Lightning + RRB [100 XP]
- Chakdar + PF [100 XP]
- Taijutsu 47 -> 49 [97 XP]
effAth 87 effTai 93 effAlt 49
Plus, we'll be spending banked TH notes XP throughout.
You know what, for the lulz I'll keep maintaining this.
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(Actually, it was complete a while ago. I just misremembered that the list only said to go to 20 instead of the higher 28 (or 26?) we were planning on actually raising it to at the time. We've since expanded our soft-cap quite a bit.)
Ah, I'm under the impression that a blooded Genin has 150-200 CP, which means ~2 genin per sealing track(350 per infusion).
If it was just 100 CP per genin, I'd... still want to inquire, but I'd be substantially less committed to campaigning for it.
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If you're interested in this sort of thing, I would love it if you could check out my prospective builds for Noburi and Kei on this spreadsheet.
I tried to make the pyramids as clear as possible for illustration purposes. Let me know what you think!
Not something that's very useful for our current situation, but it might help us understand chakra regeneration better:
Anti-Capacitor Rune
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Repels environmental chakra, creating an area around the rune with no or very little ambient chakra.
Of course, the problem with this experiment is it would take chakra. Chakra to research the rune (even assuming it's as easy as Capacitor, it'll still take at least one cycle, possibly more), and more chakra lost from testing it, if we have to leave someone in there overnight - though we might be able to avoid that, since the Chakra Weaver stunt (for TH) was described as letting you observe your own chakra regeneration directly. But it might be worth doing, if and when we get back to a situation of having chakra to spare.
Anti-Capacitor Rune
Rune
Repels environmental chakra, creating an area around the rune with no or very little ambient chakra.
AFAIK, we currently don't understand how chakra regeneration works. Oro said we filter chakra from the environmental mixture:
So I think Oro's hypothesis, at least the part about phases returning to the ambient mixture, is probably not correct. Since we don't know what experiments he did to get to the things he told us and can't judge their validity, we should also consider the possibility that his model for chakra regeneration is flawed.
Hence this rune. It's a very simple test; turn on the rune, have someone spend their chakra and sit around in the AoE, and see if their chakra regenerates. It's something Oro may not have been able to do; this quote is weak evidence for that:
However, Oro may not actually be right about this description. Chakra doesn't seem to obey conservation of energy in the way this would suggest. Take Elemental Mastery - the EM nuke works because the chakra effect instantly cools any gas entering the AOE, regardless of how much gas that is or how much work it has to do. That's not the behaviour of something with a limited amount of energy to expend before it runs out. MEW is another point against Oro's explanation; it's possible to create matter ex nihilo with less than 40 CP. If Oro's hypothesis were correct and there was a limited amount of energy associated with chakra returning to the ambient medium, that limit would have to be vast, and chakra coils would have to do a correspondingly vast amount of work. (Oro himself obviously doesn't believe this; but Oro doesn't know about the EM nuke, and doesn't know that matter should require vast amounts of energy to create. And it may not, in MfD world; but together with the EM nuke working it's highly suggestive.)
So I think Oro's hypothesis, at least the part about phases returning to the ambient mixture, is probably not correct. Since we don't know what experiments he did to get to the things he told us and can't judge their validity, we should also consider the possibility that his model for chakra regeneration is flawed.
Hence this rune. It's a very simple test; turn on the rune, have someone spend their chakra and sit around in the AoE, and see if their chakra regenerates. It's something Oro may not have been able to do; this quote is weak evidence for that:
He may well just have meant that the individual subtypes are impossible to interact with, but a literal reading of this statement says that he can't manipulate ambient chakra, in which case he may not have been able to test whether or not it's required for chakra regeneration.
Of course, the problem with this experiment is it would take chakra. Chakra to research the rune (even assuming it's as easy as Capacitor, it'll still take at least one cycle, possibly more), and more chakra lost from testing it, if we have to leave someone in there overnight - though we might be able to avoid that, since the Chakra Weaver stunt (for TH) was described as letting you observe your own chakra regeneration directly. But it might be worth doing, if and when we get back to a situation of having chakra to spare.
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What destination is this? The plan doesn't specify.
Edit: Rip, I'm blind as heck. Ignore me.
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Looks like an improvement to me, throwing my vote in.
@Kyreneryk feel free to rename the op to reclaim control of the fork if you want.
[X] Action Plan: The (Sand)worm's Turn (with Kyreneryk's edits)
Word Count: 295
Duration: Until we reach our next destination (Until then/1.4 solar)
- All Uplift
- We are closing in on Hazou's most pessimistic timeline for Akatsuki opening the Rift (3 months objective)
- Kei - probability distribution for time remaining?
- Discuss contacting Orochimaru via dead drop on the Seventh Path to set up a future signal for "return to Leaf immediately".
- This contradicts Naruto's orders, but what he doesn't know he can't leak to Itachi.
- Orochimaru is unlikely to be compromised by Akatsuki.
- Orochimaru might try to harm Hazou through the dead drop.
- Logistical workarounds necessary, since Arachnids swore not to pass messages to Hazou/Kagome - but doable with some creative interpretation.
- E.g. have an oathsworn Arachnid get an Arachnid not oathsworn to pass the messages once.
- If the team approves, compose a suitable dead-drop and leave it for Orochimaru.
- Suggest including, and if approved include, research notes for Force Domes as payment/additional defenses for Leaf.
- Beast defense in the deep desert is too dangerous, time to move.
- Hazou favors Fang or the southwestern coast of Wind. Any other suggestions?
- Kei, how feasible would it be to capture a pirate ship and use that?
- Mobile base, difficult to find, pirates as chakra sources.
- Does anyone know how to sail?
- We are closing in on Hazou's most pessimistic timeline for Akatsuki opening the Rift (3 months objective)
- Kei
- Your leadership skills are getting rusty.
- Is there anything you could do to practice leadership with your assigned Pangolin team?
- Alternatively, could you practice by contracting some jounin Pangolins?
- Take as much time on the Seventh Path as you need.
- Research
- DoB tracks: Remote Explosive, Landmine, Storm Rune, Air Leadening
- Move to the next if harder than Easy
- Non-DoB: ELF Explosives
- Prep Days: Null Rift, Microrift Rune, Pathbound Rift Rune
- DoB tracks: Remote Explosive, Landmine, Storm Rune, Air Leadening
- Head for the agreed destination after ELF Explosives finish
- Use ELFE on the TR for the camp.
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I admit, I'm not crazy about the bolded choices, but most of them are just difficulty checks, so I have little meaningful investment in arguing against them. If there's a push towards actually attempting to research them, then I'll do more. But until then... looks good. Thanks for taking up the burden of action plans, lately.
[X] Action Plan: The (Sand)worm's Turn
I'm not super attached, do you have alternate suggestions for how to make a rift to research rift runes?
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Poke Orochimaru for his Rift notes in the dead drop. We can purchase them with Iron Earth or something.
I am moderately opposed to:
1) Letting Oro know we are also researching Rifts (why would we need to but to oppose him?)
2) Opening a wider communications channel with Leaf, a yes/no "drop everything and get back to Leaf" Hazousignal is fine, but we burned those bridges for a reason.
So I'd prefer to not
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@Sir Stompy are you amenable to adding a prep day on the Great Seal to the plan?
Already in there boss
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I'm not sure the rationale for going to these locations, but Akatsuki's spy network is apparently "strongest in the minors, in Sand...". I'm uncertain that going here is the best idea, as opposed to (not having thought too much about it) an island in the middle of fuckoff nowhere.