Will do in the next round of edits.@Sir Stompy your plan should probably specify if we're doing as much of the research as possible on the Seventh Path and only returning to the Human Path for infusions, or if we're staying on the Human Path.
Will do in the next round of edits.@Sir Stompy your plan should probably specify if we're doing as much of the research as possible on the Seventh Path and only returning to the Human Path for infusions, or if we're staying on the Human Path.
We know of a jutsu that contains scents/bodily odors and then dumps them in one mega-concentrated spot.Honestly, I say we start work on a seal or rune that utterly erases all scent within its radius
[х] Armageddon InitiativeThe plan called to have Canvass sniff you over as you left the city, to make sure no trackers were on you. She smelled something weird on you that freaked her out, but it was faint. Probably a secondary contact, she thought. (i.e. it got on someone else, you interacted with that person enough to get some of it on you.)
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Very much so, yes. I'm extremely happy that Noburi managed to get the best of both worlds here.
Honestly I think we still need to hear back from Paper about how the last research cycle on Light Shift seals went. There was a miscommunication and they thought Hazou was researching something entirely different, so the matter needs to be reviewed again before we know how the last cycle turned out.So, it's time to research. I'm fully in favor of finishing the seals we've already made progress researching, but after that we really need a research program that will eventually result in an essie-killing weapon. I've heard some candidates already—@Twinnstars' sekiyuu, IIRC @Inferno Vulpix had a plan to convince Hazō to investigate the EM spectrum with light shift seals (which would allow us to eventually produce gamma rays), and I had an idea for accelerator seals (that accelerate objects moving past them) that can be chained together to form a railgun. What else have we got?
We're no more likely to fail on them than on anything else that we get the same "well within his capacity" response on.Think we should wait on Fast Forward Runes. Better to research a few more baby runes and level PS a little more first. Afraid of a rune failure. Suggested easy runes, HOWS and Runic Drag. This gives Hazō's safety estimates better calibration. Otherwise, not confident in our rune difficulty checks.
Suddenly very alarmed.
Okay so like, this is the kind of thing that we're going to forget about for 100 chapters if we don't address it right now. Honestly, I say we start work on a seal or rune that utterly erases all scent within its radius, so no matter how subtle the tracker we can always cleanse ourselves of it.
Except it's a secondary source on Hazō. Someone he touched was touched by the gross. If it was oro, it'd be primary.For those who are worrying about that scent, consider; Orochimaru. We've been in his lair recently, right?
Damn. Was looking forward to reading Naruto's reaction. Guess I'll just have to imagine him gasping like a fish with a Hazo induced headache. 😥Naruto said "why are you talking like that? Also, fine, happy to do it, but I'm not going to have you destroying Leaf's economy.
Could claim that we invented runecrafting sooner than we actually did, first EM nuke was a rune which didn't actually fail, just wildly exceeded expectations and (unlike explosives) lacked a viable downscaled variant. Doom of Isan was a copy of it, which must logically have been built either by Akatsuki, or some yet-unknown and appallingly powerful outside group. Even if Hazo weren't immediately put under strict orders not to do that sort of thing again, short of another Battle of the Gods, why in the hell would Leaf use such a weapon against Isan of all places, which was on track to be one of their closest allies? As opposed to, say, getting revenge for the Collapse.Oh, and if we deploy EM nuke runes, we definitely need to make sure people don't figure out the same effect is achievable with a jutsu. So what's the cover story? I guess we could claim the first EM nuke was a sealing failure and then we used runes to recreate it, but you definitely can't do that without runes pinkie promise. But IIRC people generally aren't able to use sealing to recreate sealing failures, so I don't know if that story would hold up. We could ask Kei what she thinks, I guess.
Once she had the dust in hand, Mari melted it into ingots and then went to Naruto and said "hey, yo, mah dude, take this vig and then mint the rest of it into coins for us." Naruto said "why are you talking like that? Also, fine, happy to do it, but I'm not going to have you destroying Leaf's economy. You can have all the coins that I mint but we'll need to set some rules about how much of it you use in Fire and the rest will have to be dumped on someone else's economy."
"Well within his capacity" runes are safer to research if the effect is simple, if the effect is based on a known low difficulty seal or if the effect is a small change to an already known rune.We're no more likely to fail on them than on anything else that we get the same "well within his capacity" response on.
This does not fill me with confidence. We have only researched one rune. Would feel better if we did a prep day on a Fast Forward Seal that returned difficulty below Jiraiya.Recently, players voted in a number of difficulty checks on runes. As this is a completely new field, we're not going to provide accurate, well-bounded answers on how hard runes are to make in the same way we do with seals. Instead, we're going to treat things at the narrative level until Hazou has substantially more experience in the field. Without any claim about how these results corresponds to numbers (if they do at all), nor any claim about how likely they are to be accurate or inaccurate, the three possibilities for a rune difficulty check are:
- "Hazou thinks this rune is well within his capabilities."
- "Hazou thinks he could maybe do this rune."
- "Hazou thinks this rune is beyond his capabilities."
But... seals have no relevance to runecraft? Generally speaking veterancy on one does not apply to the other."Well within his capacity" runes are safer to research if the effect is simple, if the effect is based on a known low difficulty seal or if the effect is a small change to an already known rune.
This does not fill me with confidence. We have only researched one rune. Would feel better if we did a prep day on a Fast Forward Seal that returned difficulty below Jiraiya.
Brain not braining. For preventing runic failures, feels safer to explore known boundaries? If we can walk somewhere we can fly there.But... seals have no relevance to runecraft? Generally speaking veterancy on one does not apply to the other.
At sufficient levels of skill and power the Earthshaping jutsu can create 'sculptures' that are suitable for use as 3D seal blanks. These blanks can then be infused to convert them into actual seals. Sealing using 3D blanks has a great deal in common with regular paper-and-ink sealing but also some important differences.
First, 3D seals have a lot more 'room', physical and metaphysical, to work with, meaning that the 3D version of a seal will be significantly more powerful than its 2D counterpart. Depending on what exactly the seal does this might manifest in various ways -- 3D explosives can be an order of magnitude more powerful for the same effort (i.e. infusion TN) or as powerful with a lower TN. Detection seals will usually have a longer range and/or higher sensitivity for the same effort. Construct seals (e.g. Air Dome) will be stronger and/or have a larger area for the same effort. Some effects that require an array of 2D seal elements (the category to which Lesser Barrier Formation and Five Seal Barrier belong) can be accomplished with a single 3D seal. In some cases a 2D seal that requires physical contact can be replaced with a 3D seal that operates from a distance.
Right, that quote you linked is why I'm willing to do this.Brain not braining. For preventing runic failures, feels safer to explore known boundaries? If we can walk somewhere we can fly there.
3D explosives can be an order of magnitude more powerful for the same effort (i.e. infusion TN) or as powerful with a lower TN. Detection seals will usually have a longer range and/or higher sensitivity for the same effort. Construct seals (e.g. Air Dome) will be stronger and/or have a larger area for the same effort. Some effects that require an array of 2D seal elements (the category to which Lesser Barrier Formation and Five Seal Barrier belong) can be accomplished with a single 3D seal. In some cases a 2D seal that requires physical contact can be replaced with a 3D seal that operates from a distance.
Think we should wait on Fast Forward Runes. Better to research a few more baby runes and level PS a little more first. Afraid of a rune failure. Suggested easy runes, HOWS and Runic Drag. This gives Hazō's safety estimates better calibration. Otherwise, not confident in our rune difficulty checks.
We've already done a difficulty check that says this rune is well within Hazou's capabilities. I don't know what more you want here.Fast Forward Rune — Hazou thinks this rune is well within his capabilities
How soon can we get started on motherfuckin hyperbolic time chamber runes? Because I think that should be our priority, in the near term.
I think the risk is less than 1%. I don't think it will fail but on a -12 PS roll and we have the FP for rerolls. I don't even think it will fail on the -12 to be honest.What do you think is the chance of a failure on the rune? Do you think it is zero? How high is your acceptable chance of failure?
Absolutely no chance they'll answer this, but good on ya for trying.@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Is this what the "well within his capabilities" category is intended to communicate?
Why should we think that's the case for this rune in particular? If it was another rune where the diff check came back "Hazou thinks this rune is well within his capabilities" would you be similarly concerned?My guess is more like 10% chance Hazō miscategorised the difficulty and fails on +12. Or less than +6, more forgivingly. But no reason to trust my random numbers.
If the only information we had about the rune was the check, then yes. Thinking a rune is within his capabilities is relative to his skill, not an objective measurement of difficulty.Why should we think that's the case for this rune in particular? If it was another rune where the diff check came back "Hazou thinks this rune is well within his capabilities" would you be similarly concerned?
As there is at least 25% overlap between seal difficulty estimates, expect that at least 25% of seals withing his capability fall within "he thinks he could maybe do it." And because he has almost no experience in the field, maybe even some overlap with "this rune is beyond his capabilities."If Hazō has reference research notes for the seal, or has done at least one day of prep, he will be able to roughly judge the objective difficulty of the seal. We'll try to remember to volunteer the information, but if we don't then feel free to ping us. The answer will be one of the following:
- "Trivial": TN <= 20s.
- "Genin-level": TN 10s-40s.
- "Chūnin-level": TN 30s-60s.
- "Jōnin-level": TN 50s-80s.
- "Jiraiya": TN >= 70s.
My big problem with this entire section, with the exception of Fast Forward runes,m is that we are not making literally any progress toward the goal Naruto set us throughout it.[X] Kagome It's Time toCookResearch
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- Sealing Research - primarily on the Seventh Path, return for infusions only
- 1st SSA track - RRBs, max prep, double invoke, ask Kagome for help
- 2nd SSA track - Fast Forward Runes, full prep
- Finish Substitution seals while waiting for this track to synchronize with the first
- 3rd track finish Force Walls, max prep, invoke if Hazou thinks it's necessary to finish this cycle, infuse on day 7.
- Do prep days on the following seals/runes if there's additional time on some tracks
- Monkey Patch Rune
- Force Claws (only after completing Force Walls)
- Chakra Mapping Rune
- Chakra Filtering Rune