Tunneling down a ~mile with SCs doing the infusing seems good. Bring TF for an air supply. No need to find a mountain.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Doesn't make for as cool of a story 😤
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- The Deep Blue Sea
It's only weaponizing a sealing failure when it actually fails! Otherwise it's a huge fuck-off explosion caused by making thermodynamics sob!
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- Book Fort
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Isn't Fire Country mildly/Moderately volcanic? We might set off an eruption...
Draft action plan for next cycle, figured I'd post it early if anyone wants to give feedback. Main objectives are (a) update Asuma because I'd prefer to act in good faith with him (b) ask him to TH something in case Ma and Pa can't/won't, or just as a backup (c) get him to possibly get some crystals for us (d) get the ball rolling on a possible swamp of death mission (unstagnation + research + narratively-significant combat to help Noburi impress the Toads) (e) try collaborating with a technique hacker to decode MS9 just in case that's an alternative to learning TH ourselves. The sealing section is obviously going to depend on how much progress we make in the next update.
[] Action Plan: Delegating Upwards (DRAFT)
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[] Action Plan: Delegating Upwards (DRAFT)
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- Optimize with Mari+Kei+Snowflake
- Offscreen
- Ask Cannai and Kumokogo: Any convenient combat missions we could take? (to remove stagnancy)
- Instruct ex-KEI clanmates to teach their KEI jutsu in jutsu exchange
- Send note to Orochimaru
- We replicated the Great Seal material with ES, it turns out to be mundane stone, there must be something else that makes it a seal substrate
- Include storage seal with several tons of GS-style stone
- Asuma
- Update him on our progress with PS
- Chakra crystals from Honey cave are infusable
- Could you (or someone you trust) TH a jutsu to generate infusable material or make stone infusable?
- Enma can probably help, using landsense
- Lend him chakra crystal if necessary
- Might be worth assigning a mission to grab some from Honey
- The cave-organism is a valuable source of data, we'd prefer it not be destroyed entirely
- Could you (or someone you trust) TH a jutsu to generate infusable material or make stone infusable?
- The Swamp of Death is also a highly chakra-rich environment, maybe something similar could be found there
- Would you consider authorizing a mission?
- Gouketsu might want to do it
- Ask him to keep our progress on PS secret from Orochimaru
- We want to explore PS before Orochimaru to make sure it's not so powerful he can't be allowed to have it
- Once we know what PS is capable of, we'll know if it's safe to share with him
- We've finished MS8
- Further progress requires us to decipher the notes
- Please get us a hacker to collaborate with and attempt to decipher them
- Meet with Asuma's chosen THer (offscreen?)
- Collaborate with them to try to understand minato's notes
- Hazou explains/describes sealing stuff, hacker explains/describes TH stuff
- Sealing
- Use Hazoupilot's best judgement
- Do not research everything if insufficient FP
- Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots
- SC SSA: MS8 Latching Variant
- SC: 4FSoP, Dampeners, Substitution, Electrocution, Twin Repulsion
- Use Hazoupilot's best judgement
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Damn sv and how difficult it is to see the actual plans in the vote tally.
Well I didn't see the plan that @Shrooms made earlier so between the two I seen, the other explicitly does so while the other goes "maybe does so". Keep in mind, that was then when I voted
Or maybe I just failed to read. That's also possible. I wish SV has an auto plan list or something so we could just look at that instead of using the tally and opening the plan one by one.
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- America
MfD explosives are probably less lethal than grenades because they lack shrapnel and kill off of pure explosive force.
So why don't we add shrapnel?
If we put an explosive seal inside a serrated cast iron shell we've essentially made the modern hand grenade. I don't see why this wouldn't work.
@FaintlySorcerous what makes Jin's case meaningfully different from our other adoptees? I assume everyone else feels similarly conflicted about jutsu they specifically were taught becoming more widely proliferated even if they may not have the same particular story of a promise to a dead former sensei to refer to? I worry that a lack of consistency here between adoptees will anger people even more, who didn't get an exception.
Going forward, wouldn't all adoptees just make a promise before their adoption not to share their jutsu, making our policy fairly useless?
Going forward, wouldn't all adoptees just make a promise before their adoption not to share their jutsu, making our policy fairly useless?
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- Book Fort
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This is a deal-breaker for me.
Please explain why?
This lets us use great seal stone to make an awesome new estate, AND it implies to Orochimaru that ES is a dead end and he shouldn't persue it. I think it's a pretty good move.
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Rereading the thing after a cup of coffee. Yeah, it turns out that I had misread it. I thought the note was informing Orochimaru of 3D Sealing.
I'm still skeptical of our ability to lie to Orochimaru of all people (he's an S-rank sannin with many decades of Sealing experience, and we're a teenager who's been doing Sealing for less than half of a decade years).
No improvement mechanically from explosive seals.
I don't think this ruling is simulationist but w/e.
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- Yes.
I will observe that this hint will certainly set Orochimaru on the "How do you modify granite-derived stone so that it can function as a substrate for the Great Seal" track, which is a hint that he needs to add something to mundane materials.
With all of Orochimaru's esoteric knowledge...I don't like it.
With all of Orochimaru's esoteric knowledge...I don't like it.
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TBH, I now agree with @Inferno Vulpix's previous projections that Oro is going to figure out 3D Sealing on his own, and sooner rather than later (single-digit months, not years). His experimenting with bones is already very close.
I'm reasonably sure he won't even need to level Earthshaping for that, either. He apparently has unknown "biosealing procedures" and "sensory tools" flexible enough to mold bones into seal-shapes and observe chakra flows within. He probably has something suitable for weird chakra-beast bones as well, or can invent that with relative ease. If we'd sold him the chakra crystal a while back, as we'd considered doing, he might've even been able to crack the problem before us. ES is probably a finer tool for the problem, a finer "brush", but Oro has the power to just brute-force it.
Which I don't like. But we either need to actively steer him away — something along the lines of @acidshill's attempt, but more — or go ahead and proactively share it with him, to inveigle ourselves.
I'm reasonably sure he won't even need to level Earthshaping for that, either. He apparently has unknown "biosealing procedures" and "sensory tools" flexible enough to mold bones into seal-shapes and observe chakra flows within. He probably has something suitable for weird chakra-beast bones as well, or can invent that with relative ease. If we'd sold him the chakra crystal a while back, as we'd considered doing, he might've even been able to crack the problem before us. ES is probably a finer tool for the problem, a finer "brush", but Oro has the power to just brute-force it.
Which I don't like. But we either need to actively steer him away — something along the lines of @acidshill's attempt, but more — or go ahead and proactively share it with him, to inveigle ourselves.
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Scintillating Toggled Radiance Of Blinding Energy
When activated, STROBE emits a series of incredibly bright red-light flashes for a sustained period(ideally 30+ seconds).
Looking at or near an active STROBE seal applies one aspect (ie. "Blinded" or "My Eyes!"). This aspect can be applied up to once per observer per round.
If the observer also has a deafness-related aspect, apply an additional aspect(ie. "Sensory Overload"). This aspect can be applied up to once per observer per round.
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The intention is to tune the red-light emission so that sapphire glasses can block the flash.
When activated, STROBE emits a series of incredibly bright red-light flashes for a sustained period(ideally 30+ seconds).
Looking at or near an active STROBE seal applies one aspect (ie. "Blinded" or "My Eyes!"). This aspect can be applied up to once per observer per round.
If the observer also has a deafness-related aspect, apply an additional aspect(ie. "Sensory Overload"). This aspect can be applied up to once per observer per round.
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The intention is to tune the red-light emission so that sapphire glasses can block the flash.
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The goals are:
- A debuff that behaves similarly to Banshee seals, and synergies with them.
- And immediately useful combat seal that doesn't require SSA to research.
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That's why the line is designed to tell him only things that are true, via a note sent by messenger, the idea being that he reads the note, verifies that it's true, goes 'huh, that's boring', and doesn't interrogate us further. If you have any ideas for how to make it safer, I'm all ears, but I think this is relatively low-risk already. If anything, he'll notice if we don't tell him anything about our 3D sealing progress for a while, so implying we have discovered something but it's boring and doesn't tell us what to look in terms of 3D sealing—could if anything divert that suspicion.
Does he have TH? I didn't think so. Without a sample of chakra crystal to figure out the infusibility thing, I think he'd just have to keep powerleveling ES, which, well, he's doing that anyways, isn't he?
Anyways, I think this line is relatively low-risk, and I'd like to include it so we can use Amazonite in the estate, but if it's sufficiently unpopular I'll cut it.
How do you get "very close" from Oro giving up and saying that it's useless? I maintain that he's 2ish years out from PS without additional help from Hazou.
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He's good enough to have created the gold-tree method using two ninjutsu he invented + a bioseal
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He's arrived at the idea of trying to shape the solid material of a chakra-possessing creature into the form of a seal, had the tools to do that, and the sensory techniques to verify whether chakra flows right through the resultant "blank"? That's about 95% of the insights needed. The only missing piece is the idea of trying this out on a variety of non-human bones; the moment he gets this idea, he goes on a chakra-beast hunt, comes back with a trove of weird materials (recall that we actually got the lead about the crystal-entity cave from him), and cracks the problem in a couple months.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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Honestly if we don't get their jutsu I'm not really fussed: they're unlikely to be extremely good and if they are we can work something out.
In this case having sworn an oath to one dude particularly seems like it's going to be a deviation from the norm but I agree we're setting ourselves up for inconsistency.
But, again, this simply isn't that important to me and I wanted to get the plan through. Lots of other people cared a lot.
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- Pacific standard
Can I ask why you think that chakra beast bones are definitely a better substrate than ninja bones?
Ah, or rather, why making the jump to non human bones will lead to trying random non-bone objects
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- Texas
I thought the gold tree method was invented by one of the first two Hokage, forgot which one. It's just that he used biosealing to make it much better.
You will note that this has serious problems, for one it still leaves him completely unable to learn the PS stunt. Hazou only qualifies because he can view the IN picture of the GS in his head at any time. Oro can't do the same.
But hey, say he's the second coming of the Sage, and he manages to bypass that restriction. He's still completely at the mercy of whatever process he's using to find materials. If he can't grow non-living materials (a reasonable assumption) he's going to be constantly raiding dangerous locations to get enough to get enough crystals to fuel various Primordial Seals.
He's now in the same position Hazou was before he figured out how to use purified granite as a dopant in chakra stabilized crystal. The fact that we're no longer there has more to do with luck than anything else. I predict he'll be stuck for years trying to figure out the PS stunt with no reference material and no good way to view the GS.