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@acidshill could you add a line asking if Cannai could try to expand on the <bark> sensation he felt in Earthshaping last time, and if it relates at all to the valid seal substrate requirements
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
@acidshill the sealing section should include a prep day to assess the difficulty of CAPS. As this involves no infusion attempts, this doesn't compete with other projects for SSA of fate point.
(And sorry about the ping storm, you're being an absolute champ in responding to everyone, thank you.)
(And sorry about the ping storm, you're being an absolute champ in responding to everyone, thank you.)
Alright, I added all of this and decided to just go over 300 words, until/unless I can figure out how to go under again.
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299 words.
- Offscreen
- Acquire chakra beast bones
- Determine Sasha's element and preferred build
- Create a system for clan members to safely interrupt us during sealing research
- Example: Use different flags/other signals which we'd check for when not infusing
- SC reads 4 Shifts of Orochimaru's sealing notes
- Ask junior sealmasters to assess and identify Sarubetsu/Isan seals
- If they ask, imply we found them on an adventure
- PS Experiments
- OOC: The intention is for you to write whatever subset of this you like, however you like, and offscreen the rest
- Work with a Crystal Release expert (e.g., Canain) to investigate the crystals they release and try to make something infusable
- Chakra beast bones
- Can Earthshaping manipulate them?
- Try to make them infusable
- Cannai
- We think we can make 3D seals with proper (infusable) materials
- Can you help (using landsense) investigate the difference between chakra crystal and stone, and making stone infusable?
- Expand upon the [bark] sensation he had last time? Does it relate at all to infusability requirements?
- Optional: Experiment with Crystal Release crystals and/or chakra beast bones
- Noburi
- Can you try to manipulate chakra to grow more chakra crystal
- Experiment with Earthshaping rocks and chakra crystal while in water Noburi is controlling/draining
- Correlate Hazō's feedback from earthshaping with Noburi's feedback from VD
- Attempt to make calligraphy brushes with earthshaped diamond thread
- Sealing
- Research as many of the following seals (ordered from lowest to highest priority) as we safely and simultaneously can
- Jinchūriki Chain #7/8
- Rocket Boots
- Earth Pillar seal
- CATEARS
- Use Hazōpilot to determine SSA usage, prep days, FP usage, which seals to assign to SCs, etc.
- Do not research everything if insufficient FP
- Suggestion: Prime does RB, SCs do JC with SSA, EP and CATEARS without SSA
- Do a prep day to assess CAPS difficulty
- Research as many of the following seals (ordered from lowest to highest priority) as we safely and simultaneously can
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Ninjaed, but got it down to 286.
My suggested edit below, saved a couple words by abbreviating MS, then added line about prioritizing necromancy. There's enough going on re:Sealing that I don't want to do prep days on CAPS and Med Robot seals this update.
- Research as many of the following seals (ordered from lowest to highest priority) as we safely and simultaneously can
- MS #7
- MS #8
- Rocket Boots
- Earth Pillar seal
- CATEARS
- Use Hazōpilot's best judgement to determine SSA usage, prep days, FP usage, which seals to assign to SCs, etc.
- Do not research everything if FP are insufficient
- Prioritize finishing MS7/8 as fast as possible
- Suggestion: Prime does RB, SCs do MS with SSA, EP and CATEARS without SSA
We stole the seals from Isan and Tea(?) both perfectly valid targets for thievery.
However we should not communicate where the blanks are from, or how they were obtained. Simply hand them a blank, already drawn and ask them to identify it. Tell them it's a clan secret, and Hazou would like them to help him prioritize his research queue. That's basic opsec.
Here's an incentive for learning 4fsop guys (and 5SB too)
Once we've learned both 4fsop and 5SB, it may be possible to research a 4fsop that can accept a 5sb onto it. Maybe make the barrier more physical, or change 5sb such that it works on objects that contain chakra. I feel like that could also make for a sufficiently hard project to unstagnate us. Once we have made a 4fsop barrier that can accept a 5sb seal, or a 5sb seal that can work on 4fsop, we're truly cooking.
Imagine a barrier that can stop kage level ninjutsu, except it's even more invincible! And it stays invincible for 30 days, during which time we can create more 5SB seals to immediately apply it back once the initial one fades.
Such an improvement can also be carried out onto Force Walls, or any other defensive seals we have.
Once we've learned both 4fsop and 5SB, it may be possible to research a 4fsop that can accept a 5sb onto it. Maybe make the barrier more physical, or change 5sb such that it works on objects that contain chakra. I feel like that could also make for a sufficiently hard project to unstagnate us. Once we have made a 4fsop barrier that can accept a 5sb seal, or a 5sb seal that can work on 4fsop, we're truly cooking.
Imagine a barrier that can stop kage level ninjutsu, except it's even more invincible! And it stays invincible for 30 days, during which time we can create more 5SB seals to immediately apply it back once the initial one fades.
Such an improvement can also be carried out onto Force Walls, or any other defensive seals we have.
@acidshill this is the Dampener seal that I was referring to as the Medical Robot seal. It's supposed to provide a bonus to Calligraphy. Ideally we'd do a prep day on it ASAP. Since a bonus to Calligraphy would be very good.
Thanks. Implemented this with a few changes.
Okay I know you said you didn't want to do a prep day for this during the next update, but this seal looks really promising, so I put one in.
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[X] Action Plan: Cannai! We Need to Cook
Should already be implied by this.
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@acidshill can you specify a time limit on this plan? With the way it's currently worded I'm a tad concerned we might accidentally do a day of experiments and then time skip over a month forward of doing sealing research repeatedly.
That's a sensible thing to worry about... how long do people think MS 7 and 8 will take?
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MS7 just need a couple of shifts. Depending on what Hazopilot chooses, possible three days. MS8 likely needs a couple weeks, maybe three.
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I would recommend stopping there, so that we can spend our mandatory two sealing-free recovery days handling the adoptee crisis, and then get back into research. @Inferno Vulpix, you're the expert. Does that work like I think it does?
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Also, we're running low on FP, unfortunately.
(Here's hoping we get compels back lmao)
Cariyaga
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Was this update the same day as last update? If not, how much XP do we get for the rest of the day?
Adding a 10 day time limit since I'm told that's the maximum for brevity XP. Will this phrasing be acceptable/unambiguous for the QMs?
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I'd like to make another argument for learning the Fourfold Seal of Preservation after rocketboots, but before RRB. Rocket boots is going to be a fantastic seal to pump out for our clanmates, Hazō's AB as a buff is fantastic, and they're not limited in use like skywalkers. Rocket x whatever will become a gōketsu stunt lol.
Anyway, my point. RRB is a fantastic buff. I know I've argued about it with folk before, but yeah jt's great. It's still just *better* than other seals in the same slot.
4fsop is a qualitative change not just for our kit, but explicitly for Leaf as a whole, Gōketsu as a whole. The conclave as a whole. No one else can make this thing right now. Apply the same logic to the need to learn the bijuu seal.
Here's a strawpoll I posted to discord earlier, might be relevant. Take a vote/look. Honor system, I made it free voting for easy logistics
strawpoll.com
Anyway, my point. RRB is a fantastic buff. I know I've argued about it with folk before, but yeah jt's great. It's still just *better* than other seals in the same slot.
4fsop is a qualitative change not just for our kit, but explicitly for Leaf as a whole, Gōketsu as a whole. The conclave as a whole. No one else can make this thing right now. Apply the same logic to the need to learn the bijuu seal.
Here's a strawpoll I posted to discord earlier, might be relevant. Take a vote/look. Honor system, I made it free voting for easy logistics
Which seal has a larger chance of changing the outcome of an s rank in... - Online Poll - StrawPoll
What's your opinion? Vote now: Reusable Rocket Boots, tricked out, Normal ol' 4fsop...
strawpoll.com
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So the reason I don't personally think 4FB is better than Reusable Rocket Boots is that you don't always want to put up a block, but you always want to be able to dodge. Throwing up a barrier isn't helpful if it allows your opponent to buff to the high heavens, and we have a strong advantage over most in how quickly our buffs activate (a single supplemental or less.) A barrier also doesn't help you if it would let enemies surround you, as it forces you to stay in place. Same goes for hazardous terrain, wasting effects like poison gas in your zone, etc. Locking yourself down also doesn't help you chase down a fleeing enemy whereas RRBs do. Essentially, the 4FB is better at what it does than RRB is at what it does, but you don't always (or even often) need what 4FB does and you absolutely always want what RRB does. Locking yourself in place in FtD is generally a really bad idea, and genjutsu is mostly only redeemed by the fact that it locks your opponent in place too.I'd like to make another argument for learning the Fourfold Seal of Preservation after rocketboots, but before RRB. Rocket boots is going to be a fantastic seal to pump out for our clanmates, Hazō's AB as a buff is fantastic, and they're not limited in use like skywalkers. Rocket x whatever will become a gōketsu stunt lol.
Anyway, my point. RRB is a fantastic buff. I know I've argued about it with folk before, but yeah jt's great. It's still just *better* than other seals in the same slot.
4fsop is a qualitative change not just for our kit, but explicitly for Leaf as a whole, Gōketsu as a whole. The conclave as a whole. No one else can make this thing right now. Apply the same logic to the need to learn the bijuu seal.
Here's a strawpoll I posted to discord earlier, might be relevant. Take a vote/look. Honor system, I made it free voting for easy logistics
Which seal has a larger chance of changing the outcome of an s rank in... - Online Poll - StrawPoll
What's your opinion? Vote now: Reusable Rocket Boots, tricked out, Normal ol' 4fsop...
The ninjutsu requires 4 people to stand at the corners of the technique. In the worst case scenario the 4FB requires you to place 4 seals down in a manner similar to 5SB, which isn't something we can fix with MARS as we can't self propel seals yet. I think it's plausible that it's just a single activation, though the fact that there's a "Four" in the name may not bode well for the number of elements to the seal. If it does require 4 seals to be placed down, I find it decently likely this isn't super practical to set up mid-combat, though given that they are considered at least somewhat useful by Asuma, I'd hope that this wouldn't be the case.
In the particulars of your poll then maybe 4FB is better (which is part of why I don't really like the premise of the poll. IMO it is ignoring a big chunk of the conversation around which to do first.) I would even be willing to concede that it's possible it's better for Mari specifically (assuming she can see through it, easily activate it, etc.) given that her CQC isn't as good as her genjutsu. But I don't think it's the better bet overall for which to get first.
I'm also weary of having argued this for several weeks, especially given that it's fairly likely we'll do both before we ever have to use them.
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@Twinnstars, I have some good news for you curtesy of Julius Ceaser. MS7 doesn't need SSA this cycle. That means that just this once, everybody wins!
As I articulated here, this first cycle of 4FSoP is the most important, because it tells us if we can safely cut back on prep and squeeze it in to our schedule way earlier! It also tells us a lot about the actual numbers on the seal based on how much of the project we complete.
As I articulated here, this first cycle of 4FSoP is the most important, because it tells us if we can safely cut back on prep and squeeze it in to our schedule way earlier! It also tells us a lot about the actual numbers on the seal based on how much of the project we complete.
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@acidshill would you be okay making the change bomb suggested above?
@Shrooms I hear you, and I know this doesn't feel important. That's what I'm trying to push against, unfortunately.
As to the seal being useful, most combats I can think of we've had several rounds warning to set up the seal. We have four summoners in the clan, that's four people who'd love a few more guaranteed rounds to summon allies to prep the ground.
Mari already has (very likely) a way to attack through the barrier (or just research a one way version.). We research another symmetry breaker like that and dang, Gōketsu are *hard* to fuck with. They just Turtle and summon artillery and assasins and convince you you've been teleported to hell, etc.
For now, maybe Kei could speed place the tags with a RW stunt? Get it done with both supplementals if all 4 kunais prepped or something.
I really think it's important to rush the qualitative change. I'm thrilled to be voting a research cycle for CATEARS, because that's another one. Once we have the qualitative yeah let's make a bonkers RRB for the (impressive) improvements in kind.
I'm really worried about getting caught with our pants down again. Hidan is coming back when he gets bored, or makes progress on Akane's killers, or fails to make progress, or when he fails to hear of a Leaf Jashin cult, or hears of Hazō's hopefully successful wink-nod speech. It's not going to be 2 years from now. He could be coming back in two weeks!
I really care about having an answer to Hidan.
Even besides him, think about the utility for Hazō as a summoner. He's on the 7th Path, ambushed like the Hyena incident. Throw one of these down and it just statblocks the enemies. Camping is safe unless random jōnin want to waste the first strike at the the first layer of a 5 deep 4fsop shell.
@Shrooms I hear you, and I know this doesn't feel important. That's what I'm trying to push against, unfortunately.
As to the seal being useful, most combats I can think of we've had several rounds warning to set up the seal. We have four summoners in the clan, that's four people who'd love a few more guaranteed rounds to summon allies to prep the ground.
Mari already has (very likely) a way to attack through the barrier (or just research a one way version.). We research another symmetry breaker like that and dang, Gōketsu are *hard* to fuck with. They just Turtle and summon artillery and assasins and convince you you've been teleported to hell, etc.
For now, maybe Kei could speed place the tags with a RW stunt? Get it done with both supplementals if all 4 kunais prepped or something.
I really think it's important to rush the qualitative change. I'm thrilled to be voting a research cycle for CATEARS, because that's another one. Once we have the qualitative yeah let's make a bonkers RRB for the (impressive) improvements in kind.
I'm really worried about getting caught with our pants down again. Hidan is coming back when he gets bored, or makes progress on Akane's killers, or fails to make progress, or when he fails to hear of a Leaf Jashin cult, or hears of Hazō's hopefully successful wink-nod speech. It's not going to be 2 years from now. He could be coming back in two weeks!
I really care about having an answer to Hidan.
Even besides him, think about the utility for Hazō as a summoner. He's on the 7th Path, ambushed like the Hyena incident. Throw one of these down and it just statblocks the enemies. Camping is safe unless random jōnin want to waste the first strike at the the first layer of a 5 deep 4fsop shell.
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