Just reread chapter 518. I didn't even know/remember that the Gokētsu actually has founded the profession of therapists/listeners/life coaches (mostly staffed by old people at the start). How did that work out? Did people show any improvements because of it? Did anyone have the brilliant idea that confidentiality should be a part of this profession?
 
I think you mean 'defer'.

If we can find somewhere interesting to go then maybe we can take advantage of the QM bandwidth exploit and Leaf will stay calm but at this point I don't think that's likely to work, because that really only prevents new things from cropping up.

I would personally prefer to employ the Ami maneuver wherein we recognize that the chaos of a fuckup is an opportunity to make big changes. I'm not sure exactly which levers we could pull, but things are in motion and that means that we can influence them. Normally they're stuck in place so hard that you need to be S-rank strong to move them, and we just aren't.
Personally, I think running away from Leaf just to minimize interruptions is pants-on-head dumb. The wilderness is dangerous, Hazou is a juicy capture target. We should stay near the bubble of safety that is Leaf even if sometimes we have social problems there.

If there was a particular reason to go research on top of the Caves of Mild Peril I'd be fine with it, but since we can work just as well in Leaf, I'd prefer to stick with it. Plus, we can't FOOM in the wilderness.
 
Normally they're stuck in place so hard that you need to be S-rank strong to move them, and we just aren't.

We are though? We have Mari who was an elite jounin before we add any of the power ups we've acquired. Add on the fact that she's been FOOMing for over a year now. If she's not S-rank now she will be in a few months at most
 
We are though? We have Mari who was an elite jounin before we add any of the power ups we've acquired. Add on the fact that she's been FOOMing for over a year now. If she's not S-rank now she will be in a few months at most
Mari isn't Hazo. She lacks S-rank ambition at the moment, probably due to mental health issues, and actually being willing to use your power matters.

I'm also not sure that I like her in any matchup against any of the Akatsuki.

She certainly doesn't get treated like any other S-ranker: Naruto and Orochimaru and Tsunade pretty much all get whatever they want from Asuma. Maybe that'll change in a few months? But being known to be S-rank is a key component of actually reaping any of the benefits of having S-rank power.

Honestly I don't even think Mari could take Kakashi or Guy, who were not S-rank.

The tricks she has are our seals (MARS and what else?) and Shadow Clone. If we can get her a scroll she'll be there in the year (gotta actually build those relationships) but for now I don't think the facts of the matter support her being stronger than A.
 
Well, it was good for that and for doing paperwork and other Clan Head duties, but it was likely that the only Clan Heads in Leaf with access to Shadow Clone were Sarutobi Asuma (the Hokage), Senju Tsunade (grandniece of the technique's inventor), and Gōketsu Hazō (brilliant weapons designer at a time when the scent of war had been on the wind).
Wait, what? Why? What about all the other jōnin clan heads? And why on earth would Shikamaru not have it? It seems perfect for a Nara and the Nara should have known that for generations and worked out some kind of deal to have access to it to some extent.

Actually, who are the jōnin rank clan heads? Senju, Akamichi and Kei for sure. Inuzuka I'm pretty sure as well. None of the teens (Gokētsu, Nara, Yamanaka, Hyūga), except for Uchiha being a special jōnin now. With the other ones I don't know. Honestly, I don't even remember every other Clan. Hagoromo is Chūnin I think (which at his age marks him as being of decidedly average talent even in combat skill). Then there's Motoyoshi, Kuruzu and Amori about whom we know nothing but their gender I think? Am I forgetting anyone?
 
Wait, what? Why? What about all the other jōnin clan heads? And why on earth would Shikamaru not have it? It seems perfect for a Nara and the Nara should have known that for generations and worked out some kind of deal to have access to it to some extent.

Actually, who are the jōnin rank clan heads? Senju, Akamichi and Kei for sure. Inuzuka I'm pretty sure as well. None of the teens (Gokētsu, Nara, Yamanaka, Hyūga), except for Uchiha being a special jōnin now. With the other ones I don't know. Honestly, I don't even remember every other Clan. Hagoromo is Chūnin I think (which at his age marks him as being of decidedly average talent even in combat skill). Then there's Motoyoshi, Kuruzu and Amori about whom we know nothing but their gender I think? Am I forgetting anyone?
Kei (not the KEI, but the clan) who I think is Anko? She seems like a jonin.
 
I'm also not sure that I like her in any matchup against any of the Akatsuki.
Her best matchups imo are Hidan/ Itachi/Deidara, IE younger jonin with S rank abilities stapled on. Everyone else is 30s or even middle aged (then there's kakuzu lol)

Hidan: best gimmick is physical durability and one-hit-kill technique based on self damage

Itachi: two one-hit-kill techniques, and can summon Minions

Deidara: a lot of one hit kill techniques, also can make Minions out of clay though idk if he can do this mid fight

Mari: mind control genjutsu is typically a one-hit kill IFF it is a 1v1, Akatsuki typically travels in twos. I think that, given that she's among the best genjutsu users in the world, along with debuffs from MARS typically knocking enemies down a whole AB (maybe not Hidan with his weird biology), she can probably hit them and win. Assuming she's raised her Taijutsu to 59 or even the 60s since the Basement, is probably beating majority of melee jonin with all the seal buffs and jutsu she has, but I doubt she's crazy enough at that to beat e.g. Hidan in a melee battle.

So like as Oneiros has pointed out she really needs an S rank defense on top of her S rank offense. Which may still leave her at EJonin tier, but an EJonin killed Sasori the first time and another contended with Itachi in genjutsu.

If we can get her some Alertness boosters to also guarantee she goes first then yeah I can definitely see her beating the 3 people I listed. I think she probably could if she goes first, but at minimum Mr cheating eyes probably has superior Alertness
 
Anko is not the Kei Clan Head. Just imagine that insanity. Barely anyone would join.

I don't remember the name of the Kei Clan Head. She's some apparently level headed and charismatic jōnin woman. Anyway, the Kei Clan had a lot of initial jōnin and special jōnin iirc, since they literally chose from the best, most honorable, and most respected KEI ninja and are the only "legit" choice for a loyal KEI ninja who wants to join a Clan for money reasons.
 
If we can get her some Alertness boosters to also guarantee she goes first then yeah I can definitely see her beating the 3 people I listed.
All of this reads like 'not S-rank and we have no timeline on when she will become S-rank because that's gated behind finding her a defensive shiny, something we aren't working on'.

Which is fine, I just disagree with the initial claim.
Anko is not the Kei Clan Head. Just imagine that insanity. Barely anyone would join.
No one needs to join the Kei. They exist so the KEI has a seat on the council and pretty much no other reason.
 
All of this reads like 'not S-rank and we have no timeline on when she will become S-rank because that's gated behind finding her a defensive shiny, something we aren't working on'.

Which is fine, I just disagree with the initial claim.
Ik you were replying to Oneiros but my post was more if she can beat any of the Akatsuki, something you implied she couldn't do (or that's how I parsed it), and I think she can beat some of them.

This is part of why S rank is a nebulous thing. If you can beat essies are you s rank? Not necessarily, but also kinda yeah
 
Ik you were replying to Oneiros but my post was more if she can beat any of the Akatsuki, something you implied she couldn't do (or that's how I parsed it), and I think she can beat some of them.
My meaning wasn't whether or not she could beat any of them, but whether I like her in those abstract conflicts. 'maybe under the right circumstances with a bit of luck' is not something I would bet on - Hazo could win those matchups under the right circumstances with some luck.
This is part of why S rank is a nebulous thing. If you can beat essies are you s rank? Not necessarily, but also kinda yeah
Not being able to beat any S-ranker with any degree of reliability to me implies that someone isn't S-rank, especially because there's no one weakest S-ranker by dint of the rock-paper-scissors nature of their interactions. Mari can't throw down and won't be able to until something changes.
 
So like as Oneiros has pointed out she really needs an S rank defense on top of her S rank offense. Which may still leave her at EJonin tier, but an EJonin killed Sasori the first time and another contended with Itachi in genjutsu.
One of the reasons I think Mari is an essie instead of just an Ejounin is that she basically has an EJounin level defense with a combination of the Pangolin Conditioning Jutsu and Skywalkers. That's pretty solid until you get to the higher level essies who can throw out more esoteric and diverse attacks
If we can get her some Alertness boosters to also guarantee she goes first then yeah I can definitely see her beating the 3 people I listed. I think she probably could if she goes first, but at minimum Mr cheating eyes probably has superior Alertness
She does have access Pangolin Flash which def helps if we are the attacking party.
This is part of why S rank is a nebulous thing. If you can beat essies are you s rank? Not necessarily, but also kinda yeah
Essie fights are so hard to white room TBH. Mari's right at the level where small edges either way can drastically swing the fight against other essies. But against EJounin competition I expect Mari to be favored almost every time.
 
Anko is not the Kei Clan Head. Just imagine that insanity. Barely anyone would join.

I don't remember the name of the Kei Clan Head. She's some apparently level headed and charismatic jōnin woman. Anyway, the Kei Clan had a lot of initial jōnin and special jōnin iirc, since they literally chose from the best, most honorable, and most respected KEI ninja and are the only "legit" choice for a loyal KEI ninja who wants to join a Clan for money reasons.
Note that this lady might be dead and they've probably adopted other powerful KEI members.
"Allow me to introduce myself again," she said. "My name is Kei Haruka, and I am the first head of the Kei Clan. With me are the ten ninja chosen by the KEI to bear the honour and the responsibility of being a clan founder."
 
My meaning wasn't whether or not she could beat any of them, but whether I like her in those abstract conflicts. 'maybe under the right circumstances with a bit of luck' is not something I would bet on
I get your meaning but I'd contend that nearly every essie is like that. I wouldn't bet on Hidan beating most of the Akatsuki 99% of the time either but I'd still call him S rank.

Hazo could win those matchups under the right circumstances with some luck.
Yo hold up WHAT

Not being able to beat any S-ranker with any degree of reliability to me implies that someone isn't S-rank, especially because there's no one weakest S-ranker by dint of the rock-paper-scissors nature of their interactions. Mari can't throw down and won't be able to until something changes.
Ig my point is she might be at this point. I have no idea how good she is at genjutsu. If she's got genjutsu 80 then tbh I'd bet on her winning against a lot of them. If it's just like, 65, maybe not.

One of the reasons I think Mari is an essie instead of just an Ejounin is that she basically has an EJounin level defense with a combination of the Pangolin Conditioning Jutsu and Skywalkers. That's pretty solid until you get to the higher level essies who can throw out more esoteric and diverse attacks
I think the big problem is everyone has flight now and a +5 or +10 to Ath is good but not nutty. If she had 3 Ath buffs all with +10 that's a different story. She's got Sub and Rocket Boots, maybe a lightning buff? Dunno what her kit is cuz she never shares LMAO. Thunderburst (library jutsu) is a good pickup for her though if she didn't already grab it cuz boost isn't buff limited.

She does have access Pangolin Flash which def helps if we are the attacking party
Gotta disagree with you on this one I think PF is straight up ass :V

I'd prefer more stuff like Banshee Lovers etc.

Mari may learn Earth Element just for PEA, honestly.
Hmm she probably has the CR to actually benefit from it but OTOH it wouldn't stop e.g. Amaterasu. Still a good trick though, yeah.
 
No one needs to join the Kei. They exist so the KEI has a seat on the council and pretty much no other reason.
Clan Heads officially and legally get tax refunds on the missions their ninja do. Which means that either Kei ninja get more money per mission, or the KEI fund gets additional donated income, or both. And, for whatever reason (probably to take advantage of storage spaces legally protected under the Clan Secret Acts) the Kei have a Clan compound that's completely separate from both the old KEI HQ (on Uchiha grounds) and the new KEI HQ (on Shimura grounds).

Hmm. Does Kei (Nara) find it at all weird that her work offices now are where her family used to live and got kicked out of? She might be the only one who kept her appartment despite being the one who used it the least (maybe even less than Snowflake).

Note that this lady might be dead and they've probably adopted other powerful KEI members.

Pretty sure it would have been mentioned if the Clan Head had changed from one wartime Council meeting to the next.
 
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Mari may learn Earth Element just for PEA, honestly.
Now that I think about it, to learn a new element means you have to have an xp reserve of 1,000.

500xp goes to buying the new elemental stunt, and then the remaining 500xp is spent on the jutsu you picked up.

With 500xp, Mari could pick up PEA at level 40 (this would cost 410xp), and then Bleeding River Impalement at level 20 (which costs 105, since it's halfcost due to PEA). Mari is a social spec, but PEA is an S-rank armor jutsu, and Bleeding River Impalement applies debuffs, which have been boosted. She would only have to expend 15 "additional" xp, but with FOOM, that doesn't feel insurmountable.
 
With 500xp, Mari could pick up PEA at level 40 (this would cost 410xp), and then Bleeding River Impalement at level 20 (which costs 105, since it's halfcost due to PEA). Mari is a social spec, but PEA is an S-rank armor jutsu, and Bleeding River Impalement applies debuffs, which have been boosted. She would only have to expend 15 "additional" xp, but with FOOM, that doesn't feel insurmountable.
A level 30 ninjutsu in a new element costs 465 XP.
55 + 155 + 255 = 465

You can't buy a level 40 ninjutsu right out of the gate
 
I understand the feeling, I only question the adoptees' lack of foresight. It seemed to me like it would be the norm for clans to ask their new adoptees to give their jutsus to the clan. In other words, if I had been accepted into a clan, I would have expected the clan to ask for my jutsus. I can't give an actual quote for that, though, so this impression could very well be wrong.
So clanless shinobi should never teach techniques to anyone, because that person might join a clan and give away their secrets? This is one of those areas where while the letter of the law says one thing, the needs of society require that people just don't do that. Yes clans can steal techniques through tactical adoption, but if they do that then Leaf breaks down even further than it already is. For Leaf as the QMs have portrayed it to make sense, this is something the clans have the power to do, but refrain from (except when they can do it secretly and get away with it). Certainly not something a tiny fledgling clan would do if it had any sense, as it would poison the clanless population (and most clanless Jonin who are the ones who come up with those techniques) against them, even without KEI.

Original techniques/styles/etc are works of someone's life made through blood, sweat and tears and rooted in experience. They are proof that someone survived to pass them on to the next generation, and for clanless? They might as well be the one legacy they actually get. This is an emotional reaction that will not make strict logical sense to you; the closest equivalent IRL today would be... the reaction artists have to AI copying their works.

@eaglejarl am I interpreting the society/culture you and the QMs have written correctly?
 
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By the way, I noticed something that is either an inconsistency or just Amori-specific weirdness.


"Perhaps we should follow convention for the time being," the elderly, jewellery-festooned Lady Amori gently suggested
We are familiar with Jiraiya's principles," Lady Amori said sharply.
but the value is small enough that it probably ends up on Hazou and Lord Amori's desks and stamped without a second thought.

Now this might be as simple as Lady Amori being the Clan Head but everyone knowing that her husband does all the paperwork. Or otherwise Lord Amori being the Clan Head and Lady Amori being his official delegate to all Council meetings for some reason or another. I just want to make sure whether it's actually on purpose or whether it's a minor slipup to be corrected.
 
(1+2+3+4...+40) = 410.
...no, it isn't :V

Try actually adding them up. Level 30 takes 465 XP and 40 takes 820 XP.

A quick rule of thumb to save time on doing them one by one is that it costs X55 to increase to the next AB. 0 to 10 costs 55, 10 to 20 is 155, etc. But yeah no getting to 40 does not cost 410. In fact, 410 is exactly half of what it costs.
 
...no, it isn't :V

Try actually adding them up. Level 30 takes 465 XP and 40 takes 820 XP.

A quick rule of thumb to save time on doing them one by one is that it costs X55 to increase to the next AB. 0 to 10 costs 55, 10 to 20 is 155, etc. But yeah no getting to 40 does not cost 410. In fact, 410 is exactly half of what it costs.
Whoops. I threw it in a spare character sheet and didn't bother to double check it. I must've messed with the formula at some point, thanks for the explanation! ^.^
 
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