Yeah I don't think that's it. My reading was that they were just regular ninja pissed at being made to share, and also there were KEI implications.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Same. One of the QMs also said that we were asking them to give up their private, family jutsu, and that they were upset about that. The KEI implications were a factor, but my read was that they were a secondary concern to the natural secrecy that ninja trend towards (especially because it was juxtaposed by Mari, who just straight-up refused).
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Regarding the public announcement, this isn't a democracy. If we announce it in front of representatives of everyone with power (at least one member from all the voting Clans, a KEI, a civilian from the Merchant Council, and the High Priest of the Church of Youth just to be funny) then we are more or less golden. Doing the announcement in front of a bunch of civilians on a square could also done, but not because anyone else considers it necessary. It could be done because the civilians matter to us and Uplift. Though right now I have no idea how much our reputation has taken a hit with all those in the population who aren't already swallowing Hagoromo propaganda. And how much it would continue to take a hit if all the ninja and rich people don't treat us like heretics who should be burned at the stake.
Also did Yūichi officially inherit the land alone or is he one of multiple owners?
So who lives at our former compound now? A bunch of KEI ninja who call themselves Shimura and represent a powerful faction within the Clanless, plus their family? Or a less eclectic slice of KEI ninja? Or all those KEI that used to be hosted by the Uchiha?
Also did Yūichi officially inherit the land alone or is he one of multiple owners?
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Writing this at 3am when I really should be getting for work. I'm pre-morning coffee, so I apologize if this reads as somewhat rambling or clunky.
I've quoted some of my previous posts that explain my feelings on this subject a little more, but please let me know if there's something that's not articulated well, or is otherwise somewhat unclear.
Hazou-the-character had a whole character arc where he learned to be more respectful of these things, and to see Hazou-the-character backslide on that, through no action on the hivemind's part, is a little upsetting. I am also unconvinced that the stress of Hidan is sufficient enough of a cause for Hazou-pilot to lash out.
Hazou has been through similar/worse things, and didn't lash out in the aftermath. This seems to undermine all of Hazou's preexisting characterization (which I have my stated qualms with, but if Hazou-pilot is going to be a font of unending patience for Kei, Shard, Ami, Mari, and the rest, then that same patience should also carry over for Yuno).
It also seems to go against the spirit of Hazou's Forged in Fire Stunt, which mechanically reflects what kind of person Hazou is, narratively (namely, that Hazou has seen what "some of the worst that humanity has to offer," but is inspired to care all the more and driven to make things better, rather than being angered/discouraged by what he's seen. This is the fluff for why TYS now applies to Empathy and Rapport, rather than Intimidation).
I've also linked some of my comments from immediately after 604.
I've quoted some of my previous posts that explain my feelings on this subject a little more, but please let me know if there's something that's not articulated well, or is otherwise somewhat unclear.
When Hazou-pilot snapped at Yuno in 604. His phrasing is uncharacteristically aggressive, treats Yuno like a burden to be "dealt with" rather than as a genuine friend or family member, and Hazou (who very rarely explicitly leans on his Clan Head authority) flat-out ignores Yuno's personal agency and free will by giving her a direct Clan Head Order.
Hazou-the-character had a whole character arc where he learned to be more respectful of these things, and to see Hazou-the-character backslide on that, through no action on the hivemind's part, is a little upsetting. I am also unconvinced that the stress of Hidan is sufficient enough of a cause for Hazou-pilot to lash out.
Hazou has been through similar/worse things, and didn't lash out in the aftermath. This seems to undermine all of Hazou's preexisting characterization (which I have my stated qualms with, but if Hazou-pilot is going to be a font of unending patience for Kei, Shard, Ami, Mari, and the rest, then that same patience should also carry over for Yuno).
It also seems to go against the spirit of Hazou's Forged in Fire Stunt, which mechanically reflects what kind of person Hazou is, narratively (namely, that Hazou has seen what "some of the worst that humanity has to offer," but is inspired to care all the more and driven to make things better, rather than being angered/discouraged by what he's seen. This is the fluff for why TYS now applies to Empathy and Rapport, rather than Intimidation).
I've also linked some of my comments from immediately after 604.
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Even if the majority of their discontent is sourced from their KEI loyalties (which I doubt, but concede that I have been wrong before), I am still supremely unsympathetic for my aforementioned reasons.
I would be willing to "buy" their jutsu from KEI, though. Throw some of our ES50 money at them, set a precedent like we did with "buying tickets for specific people," and let it be done.
(I gotta go, though. Need to get ready for work)
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To add to RandomOTP's interpretation, my understanding was that Yuno's blank look was an indication that she herself felt hurt but suppressed showing it under the orders of her Clan Head? Is that incorrect? If it is correct then isn't it easy to say that several players just think that Hazō was cruel in the same way that Yuno thinks he was? It's the QMs who model her after all.
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This echoes my thoughts as well. How many times did Yuno wear that blank look in Isan? How often did Yuno feel safe enough to show her true feelings when she was being constantly rejected, socially, and used as a meat shield to preserve the lives of other, more beloved, Kannagi Clan members?
She's come out of her shell since joining Leaf and the Goketsu. And here, we see Hazou-pilot driving her right back into it.
Here, we see Hazou-pilot treating Yuno in a similar way as the Kannagi treated Yuno. And that's not Hazou. At all.
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I think this is a harsh reading. Here's a rephrasing of the chapter:
Yuno: Hey, I'm a cultist of human sacrifice now! That psychotic terrorist was nice to me so I'm all about the random daily murder!
Hazō: You realize he's a psychotic terrorist, right? And that he murdered a lot of people we care about?
Y: Don't care. Also, allow me to physically threaten you by stepping too close with my hand on a weapon!
H: I'm going to ignore the threat because I love and trust you. Also, evil murder god is evil. Also, think what he did to me personally, someone that you supposedly care about. He kidnapped me and forced me to murder someone or die.
Y: I know, right? Isn't that awesome?!
H: Uhhh...
Y: Also, you are a big pussy! And I'm going to start convincing the rest of our family to be psychotic murder cultists too! And the psychotic murder cultist is going to kill you if you don't start murdering enough people every day, but he didn't say how many was enough, so feel free to stress about that.
H (thinking): Argh. I'm already wrung out from dealing with psychotic murder guy all day and I thought I was going to be able to relax, here in my home which is supposed to be a safe place, with my family who are supposed to be good people.
[Hazō's stress-inducing sister x2, plus the relationship-is-fraught Shikamaru appear]
H (subtext that does not directly appear in the chapter): Crap, I need to go. Yuno is highly unstable and hair-trigger violent and not super well balanced at the best of times and has put at least one woman in the hospital simply because Yuno thought that she looked at Noburi the wrong way. If she starts trying to convince other family members to be evil psychotic murder cultists then this mess is going to get even bigger.
H: Yuno, I am putting this on pause. I am not ordering you to give up your new faith, I am not insulting you or calling you crazy or stupid or evil, but I am giving you a direct order to not make this situation any worse until I can continue trying to talk you into not being a psychotic murder cultist of the evil murder god whose priest killed a lot of people we care about.
Nobs' SCs wouldn't earn XP even for skills that don't require chakra? (eg, medknowledge, social stats)
But... wasn't that to be expected when they got adopted into a clan? Any clan? If they didn't know, that's on them. IIRC, clan can legally ask shinobi to divulge information about their jutsu. Jounin are "exempt" because they're too valuable to antagonize, but others are expected to do so, no?
Gold.
Love and cruelty go both ways I suppose. Actually, isn't that Jashinism at its finest? Oh dear. I hope Nobs ready for those SM nights.
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The dragon seal degraded because of regular seal usage, which is why the Sage instituted that prohibition
If Yuno coming out of her shell means she starts advocating for mass murder perhaps she's better off staying in her shell. Maybe adding a character based on the archetypal yandere to the party was a bad idea?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Not actually the case. Mari just knows we can't bully her into it.
Thus far Yuno is not the person who's hurt/murdered the most people. Mari has her own dark history, which she is beginning to acknowledge. Do we regret having her in the team? ...No (most of the times).
Yuno advocating for mass murder does not make her a mass murderer. She's got her issues (most of Uplift does, honestly) and it doesn't make sense to shut her off when we haven't tried our best to include her. She's family, too.
Could you expound on why this is "not actually the case"? Mari is one of the last 20ish jounin of the village, and I doubt any clan could force their jounin to just give up their personal jutsu. Jounins can simply leave a clan without consequence. Do you want to force such a risky issue with your main strike force?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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It's not actually a rule or law is what I mean. She can do that 'cause she knows we won't do anything about it.
Rules are you need to be able to spend 80 cp/training block to benefit from SC training.
It's unclear whether Noburi's chakra system is the result of surgery or his bloodline, in the latter case he could FOOM. But if it's surgery he won't be able to.
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I don't think so. The Dragons started breaking free at the same time that Pain aborted his mega ritual and sacrificed the one-, two-, and three-tail beasts.
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Consider it in lens of 'master teaches disciple secret technique, then some jackass uses legal technicality to make the disciple give it to him instead of going to the master'. Like, it's very much not exactly that, but just, try looking at it with that 'vibe' in mind.
People might note that we are playing along rather a lot. Should we also mention that playing along gives Leaf hooks into Hidan which we were using to set him against rock? This has risks, but makes our case much more persuasive. not sure what the best move is.
It seems off topic, and muddles an otherwise clear message. I don't see how this helps at all. Can you explain why it's here?
The optics of this are pretty weird. "why are all those clanheads going with Goketsu to his murder-ritual site?" is something many clanheads won't want asked of them. In fact, I bet most of these guys are going to be at least a little cautious to be seen with Hazou, let alone heading out on mysterious business.
Not that it's insurmountable, but I think the gate guard only lets ninja out if they are on an actual mission.
Voting is closed
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Note the probable implication that either Hazō would have to be better at sealing than the Sage, or seals would have to be banned from the Seventh Path again, if the great seal is to be stably repaired.
Finally, some good fucking food.
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I really do admire the way you respond to these kinds of posts, bird chief. I feel like you make a very conscious effort to be compassionate, use I/I feel statements, and generally express yourself without dictating to the other person. Or maybe you just gained that awareness a while ago and have incorporated it deeply.
I learn or am reminded of good things and habits every time I read them. Thank you.
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Thank you for the image of @eaglejarl, in his sharp-beaked QM form, going "Sneeeeeeep" at the player base. I will treasure it.
Emstar
The Shining One
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It seems more likely it was Akatsuki deleting 1/3 of the Bijuu.
Perhaps they accidentally triggered the garbage collection protocol, or some universal law makes it easier for the Dragons to bust out of jail for cosmic balance reasons now--
if the Tailed Beasts being deadified transfered some amount of power back to them in the same way them eating up the 7th Path seemed to do that.