Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Jul 19, 2023 at 10:27 AM, finished with 254 posts and 22 votes.
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    [X] Action Plan: So, You Have Come This Far, and Still, You Understand Nothing
    [x] Another heartwarming interlude pls
    [X] Interlude: Team Muramatsu
    [X] Lore Update
    [x] Interlude: Yuki Yukino
    [x] Interlude: Ami Buys Groceries
    [x] Interlude: Hiruzen Learns About EM Nuke, Decides Hazou is going to learn THing, and scoops Hazou off the street like a stray kitten. Hazou is just thrilled to finally get an apprenticeship.
    [X] Interlude: The Five Kages react to Jiraiya revealing Skywalkers
    [x] Interlude: A Day in the Life of Ami
    [X] Interlude: Hiruzen and Jiraya Teach the Hyūga Elders the Pink Pony no Jutsu
    [X] Interlude: Honoka's Adoption Ceremony
    [X] Interlude: Bakuchioka and Their Years of Till'n'Fills
    [x] Summon Jashin
    [x] acidshill's timeskip TODO list
    [X] Dedicate some SCs to professing Hazou's deep and unending love for the will of fire, denouncing Jashinism, pointing out essies just be saying shit and Hazou was trying to prevent Hidan from murderizing Leaf (seriously does this not go without saying?), saving cats from trees, kissing babies, and giving out money to neurodivergent KEI orphans, then go back to the stuff we were doing before the latest social nuclear blast, namely sealing research and making fat stacks of cash.
    [X] Interlude: The Goo Bomb Trade Deal
    [X] Interlude: Kei's POV of Chapter 257
    [X] Interlude: What Ever Became of Team Downfall?
    [x] Interlude: "Suzuki Kimi"
    [x] Interlude: Katō Yūto
    [x] Interlude: Doigama Emon
    [x] Interlude: Kid
    [X] Interlude - Sasuke's fourth birthday
    [X] Make Honoka Clan Head
    [X] Interlude: We resurrect Jiraiya but it's the lupchanz'd version
    [X] kidnap the half-gods
    [x] Interlude: Hazou Turns 18 and Receives a Flood of Political Marriage Proposals. His Respect for Jiraiya (Who Remained Single Until He Met Mari) Grows Astronomically.
    [X] Interlude: Shimura on the formerly Gokētsu estate
    [x] Interlude: Uplift goes to the karaoke
    [x] Interlude: Uplift goes shopping
    [x] Interlude: Uplift goes on a picnic above the clouds


Voting is closed.

 
Thus far Yuno is not the person who's hurt/murdered the most people.
Yeah but Akane is already dead

Yuno advocating for mass murder does not make her a mass murderer. She's got her issues (most of Uplift does, honestly) and it doesn't make sense to shut her off when we haven't tried our best to include her. She's family, too.
I would say we have made an adequate enough effort at including Yuno. Maybe we don't include Yuno more often because when we do it, we have to ensure that no other woman is within a 100 meter radius of Noburi, or she starts spouting some unhinged nonsense that she either hallucinated or was told by her possibly sentient psychotic axe, or maybe because she starts advocating for a mass murdering god without considering that perhaps mass murder does not go hand in hand with our objective of uplifting the Elemental Nations from a deathworld to a less deadly world.

We are not blameless here, of course, because we put on the kid gloves every time we interact with Yuno, treating her like a child rather than an adult (I think?) woman capable of splitting us in half with one stroke of her murder axe, rather than confronting head-on the fact that we have someone who seems to be fundamentally incapable of caring about Uplift as a clanmate.
 
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How do we tell yuno not to teach anyone EM without making her suspicious of the technique? We could tell her not to teach anyone, even clansmen, any techniques at all
Edit: actually does she have fire element?
 
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Currently rereading chapter 504 and wondering about the whole giving KEI control over adoption tickets thing. As we all know it backfired because the KEI don't actually have any incentive to hand those out. At the time Mari presented it as a compromise so as to prevent KEI brain drain and Asuma sided with the KEI over Clan interests (for some reason), while everyone apparently missed the pressure it would put on the KEI and the general adoption freeze it would cause. @eaglejarl may I ask what Mari's initial idea/hope how this would actually work out in practice was? She was talking about also growing the Clans after all.

Also I never understood why Mari proposed for (and Asuma allowed) the KEI to restrict inter-clan marriages as well.

And lastly, is there anything preventing the KEI from selling Clan Kei a very large amount of adoption tickets at the cheap?
 
So who lives at our former compound now? A bunch of KEI ninja who call themselves Shimura and represent a powerful faction within the Clanless, plus their family? Or a less eclectic slice of KEI ninja? Or all those KEI that used to be hosted by the Uchiha?

Also did Yūichi officially inherit the land alone or is he one of multiple owners?
Your former compound is now being treated as the official KEI compound, owned by Shimura Kakashi and permanently housing a number of KEI ninja. For additional details, please consult your local Kei.
 
It's not actually a rule or law is what I mean. She can do that 'cause she knows we won't do anything about it.
Ah, my bad: it seems I wasn't clear in my original comment. I actually agree with that. When I wrote ' "exempt" ', I wanted to emphasize that it was an unofficial thing. Not that there was an actual law giving special clan rights to jounins.

Consider it in lens of 'master teaches disciple secret technique, then some jackass uses legal technicality to make the disciple give it to him instead of going to the master'. Like, it's very much not exactly that, but just, try looking at it with that 'vibe' in mind.
I understand the feeling, I only question the adoptees' lack of foresight. It seemed to me like it would be the norm for clans to ask their new adoptees to give their jutsus to the clan. In other words, if I had been accepted into a clan, I would have expected the clan to ask for my jutsus. I can't give an actual quote for that, though, so this impression could very well be wrong.

The optics of this are pretty weird. "why are all those clanheads going with Goketsu to his murder-ritual site?" is something many clanheads won't want asked of them. In fact, I bet most of these guys are going to be at least a little cautious to be seen with Hazou, let alone heading out on mysterious business.

Not that it's insurmountable, but I think the gate guard only lets ninja out if they are on an actual mission.
Fair points. In that case, should we invite some of the villagers so they can give their testimony?

Yeah but Akane is already dead
Does Akane's death diminish the value of a spec Jonin who is a member of our family (despite her unalignment with Uplift)?

I would say we have made an adequate enough effort at including Yuno. Maybe we don't include Yuno more often because when we do it, we have to ensure that no other woman is within a 100 meter radius of Noburi, or she starts spouting some unhinged nonsense that she either hallucinated or was told by her possibly sentient psychotic axe, or maybe because she starts advocating for a mass murdering god without considering that perhaps mass murder does not go hand in hand with our objective of uplift
I disagree. Yuno made progress with her jealousy, she could be said to have a "bad case of being a [spec] jounin" (I love this phrase so much!), and her shifting toward mass-murder was Hidan's move. Sure, she was already a psycho, yet all psychos don't actually go mass murdering. Moreover, she obviously cares about Nob, and to some extent the others. She still feels isolated and misunderstood - which is fair, in her situation - partly because she doesn't have any friends or confident (except Satsuko). There's still hope on that front, so could we try actual friendship before doing anything drastic?
 
Shimura Kakashi, huh? I wonder what his relationship to KEI Council Representative Shimura Yūichi is.
 
@eaglejarl, Thanks for being willing to engage with me, regarding this matter.

It's not lost on me that writing is a very emotionally intimate thing, and that sharing your art with others is to be vulnerable (and Marked for Death is, indeed, art).

Now, on to the matter of Hazou-pilot's characterization in 604

I think this is a harsh reading. Here's a rephrasing of the chapter:

I disagree that this is a harsh read of the chapter, but I am willing to discuss it.

Y: Also, you are a big pussy! And I'm going to start convincing the rest of our family to be psychotic murder cultists too! And the psychotic murder cultist is going to kill you if you don't start murdering enough people every day, but he didn't say how many was enough, so feel free to stress about that.

It's worth noting that, prior to this segment, Yuno spent a paragraph talking about how Jashinism is far clearer/simpler than either the Will of Fire, or Isan's religion is, and how Hidan had spent the conversation being "understanding."

So the context of this statement is that Yuno, was socially vulnerable (no one around because she, a jonin, didn't hear the Evacuation Alarm while training... which is a separate issue) and emotionally vulnerable (all the neglect she suffered in Isan that she was actively working through, plus the added loneliness from being the only Isanese ninja in Leaf --stranger in a strange land effect --and then the added grief from losing Akane).

And further, she doesn't call Hazou a pussy. She's echoing Hidan's words (after all, I don't think Yuno's ever used that sort of language. I'm not sure it'd be proper in Isan, and the words sound far too unusual, coming out of her mouth. It does, however, sound far more normal coming from Hidan's mouth) and framing it as an exchange wherein they both teach each other, with the intent of growing to serve Jashin better.

Sure, the words might be insulting, but it's not Yuno's insult. It's Hidan's insult that is echoed from Yuno's lips. An insult that Hidan manipulated her into believing. Even as she echoes this statement, she's crying aloud that she's a victim of brainwashing/radicalization, even if she, herself, isn't able to see it yet.

I feel that Hazou, who is deeply familiar with Mari the Heartbreaker, and Ami the Ami, should be able to recognize this.

H (thinking): Argh. I'm already wrung out from dealing with psychotic murder guy all day and I thought I was going to be able to relax, here in my home which is supposed to be a safe place, with my family who are supposed to be good people.

I understand what a feeling of shock that this must have been, especially when Hazou thought that he was finished with Hidan Complications for the day.

But Hazou's been the victim of S-ranker Cruelty before and not snapped at anyone in the aftermath. Several times over, even. When Zabuza flattened Hazou during the Chuunin Exams, his first words upon waking up were to reassure Kei and Noburi that he didn't actually believe the words he used to provoke Zabuza.

Narratively, he's an unending font of patience with his family members. Kei flees to the Seventh Path for a week? All he feels is concern. Mari falls apart at a critical time? Worry and fear, no resentment. Shard wonders aloud if Hazou's love for them is real? Apologetic patience. Kei refuses to maintain the Pangolin Trade Deal? Hazou takes the blame on himself so that Kei can remain the Pangolin Summoner.

And there are far more examples of Hazou being the Goketsu Family Therapist... Hazou, himself, thought that if Mari had allowed herself to be vulnerable with Kei the way that she had been vulnerable with Hazou, then maybe her huge fight with Kei would've been avoided.

This day sucked, sure, but if Hazou can maintain his cool during the Orochimaru Fiasco, with Severes, then I feel that Hazou should be able to do so now, as well. If Hazou can suffer through the Gamble of Bakuchioka, and be fine in the immediate aftermath, then I think he should be able to keep it together now... Especially when his beloved sister-in-law is signaling "victim of social brainwashing" with every word that she parrots from Hidan.

Hazou has a long and storied history of being patient despite these sorts of things. Or, arguably, Hazou is determined to keep his cool and be nice because these sorts of things happen to him, and he knows how much is sucks to be snapped/yelled at by people whom you care about. Given what we've seen, I feel like, for better or worse, Hazou doesn't really have any boundaries about this sort of thing. He just allows it.

I don't feel as though this point should have as much of an influence on his behavior as you seem to imply. That this point does have that much influence feels... inconsistent. It makes me feel confused about why now, and not any of the previous times.

It also makes me feel a little... frustrated, is perhaps the right word. I've previously expressed discontent with the Hazou-pilot's habit of not sticking up for himself, and have been told that this is simply his characterization, and that the action plans would need to change if we wanted to see a change in Hazou-pilot's characterization.

But then, that same characterization that has Hazou-pilot not sticking up for himself, the same characterization that means Hazou is eternally patient... doesn't lend itself to speaking calmly to Yuno in a moment of stress? That characterization doesn't stop Hazou from treating Yuno so poorly that she seeks the comfort of isolation? It makes me feel as though the "silver lining" to Hazou-pilot's characterization is gone, or at least unreliable.

[Hazō's stress-inducing sister x2, plus the relationship-is-fraught Shikamaru appear]

(read: joking) Hey, Snowflake isn't stress-inducing! At most, that should be "Hazou's stress-inducing sister, the relationship-is-fraught Shikamaru, and Snowflake appear" :p

But in all seriousness... it feels a little hard to take this point with the weight that it's intended to have.

Intellectually, I can understand the reasoning of "I'm trying to convince Shika et. al. that I'm not a Jashinist, and here's Yuno proclaiming the exact opposite. I can hear them walking up the gravel road. This is stressful, I'm on a time crunch, and I need to find a way to put a patch on this until the meeting is over."

But practically speaking... the meeting was offscreened and summarized.

I understand that this was to conserve QM Spoons. I feel supportive of the general narrative device, since it allows plot beats to still occur, for Hazou to gain information he needs through those meetings, and it minimizes the drain on QM spoons. I understand and approve of this.

But still, I struggle to assign this meeting (the meeting that Hazou-pilot was stressed about) the narrative weight that this point seems to want to give it. It happened offscreen, and the tone of that particular update feels scathing/flippant of its very contents on a meta-level.

Again, I can understand the reasoning provided, but given how the meeting was presented to the playerbase, textually, I feel skeptical that it should be assigned much narrative weight.

H: Yuno, I am putting this on pause. I am not ordering you to give up your new faith, I am not insulting you or calling you crazy or stupid or evil, but I am giving you a direct order to not make this situation any worse until I can continue trying to talk you into not being a psychotic murder cultist of the evil murder god whose priest killed a lot of people we care about.

If this had been the phrasing that Hazou-pilot had used (or at least carried the same mindful intent), then I wouldn't be concerned about his behavior. But Hazou didn't say this, or carry that same energy. Hazou hissed that he'll "deal with [her] later."

And Yuno, who has received harsh neglect from the Kannagi Clan (and, really, all of Isan), reacts much in the same way I expect she did while in Isan: closing off her expression, and doing as her Clan Head orders.

She leaves Hazou, seeking isolation within her room, which has horrible character implications (in Isan, all Yuno wanted was connection, but was forced into isolation. Yuno finds connection within the Goketsu and within Leaf, but after what Hazou just hissed at her, she seeks isolation out as a comfort).

I feel that Hazou-pilot knows better, and that he should have been able to do better.

He knows Yuno's treatment in Isan. He knows how much Yuno values her friendships within the Goketsu, and how much Yuno values his friendship. Hazou cleared his schedule at a time when he probably shouldn't have, just to explain to Yuno why he wanted to be her friend. In the action plan for chapter 607, Hazou further goes on to exhibit insight into Yuno's character.

Given that Hazou understands Yuno (doesn't excuse Yuno's behavior, but understands it), given that Yuno is "in" in the same way that Haru is (Mari herself has said that once Hazou decided Haru was "in," then he was "in," no matter what), and given all of Hazou's previous feats of patient, emotional endurance for other characters while under similar circumstances such as this one, I feel like Hazou-pilot should have been able to handle this conversation in a more mindful manner, and am concerned that he didn't.
 
I really do admire the way you respond to these kinds of posts, bird chief. I feel like you make a very conscious effort to be compassionate, use I/I feel statements, and generally express yourself without dictating to the other person. Or maybe you just gained that awareness a while ago and have incorporated it deeply.

I learn or am reminded of good things and habits every time I read them. Thank you.
Thank you, that's very kind of you. :>

Yes, this is pretty much just who I am. My father modeled this for me all his life, and he was way better at it than I am. I try to make an extra effort when responding to particularly angry posts because I know that feelings matter and text flattens tone.
 
Currently rereading chapter 504 and wondering about the whole giving KEI control over adoption tickets thing. As we all know it backfired because the KEI don't actually have any incentive to hand those out.
IIRC, all the Clans still get their yearly 2 Adoption Tickets. It's just that KEI now has the ability to sell tickets outside of that.
I disagree. Yuno made progress with her jealousy, she could be said to have a "bad case of being a [spec] jounin" (I love this phrase so much!), and her shifting toward mass-murder was Hidan's move. Sure, she was already a psycho, yet all psychos don't actually go mass murdering. Moreover, she obviously cares about Nob, and to some extent the others. She still feels isolated and misunderstood - which is fair, in her situation - partly because she doesn't have any friends or confident (except Satsuko). There's still hope on that front, so could we try actual friendship before doing anything drastic?
This, basically. Yuno has made friends (namely, there's a KEI ninja with an Axe-centric martial art, and Yuno is working with her to combine their two martial art styles, and give it to the wider Leaf), and has a sensei/student relationship with the KEI ninja that she tutors. She said that she likes it when they call her "sensei."

Yuno has bonds. She's made progress. It's slow, and it's not always a linear progression, but Yuno's making progress.

And now that's in jeopardy because Hidan saw someone vulnerable that he could twist. :(

It's still there. Waiting for us. Perfect for Mari. We're the only ones who knows where it is, too.

Team Downfall somehow becomes the next Otter Summoner
 
Kei eyed him dubiously for a moment. "You realize that there is a tremendous amount of damage to the Nara estate that I should be assisting with?"

Hazō straightened and turned to face her for the first time since he, Kei, Noburi, Kenta, and the four confused civilians (to whom she had not yet been introduced, due to Hazō's utter focus and dismissal of the rest of the universe!) had arrived in the overgrown jungle that was the Gōketsu backyard.

Hazō's face was utterly blank but his eyes burned with simmering anger. When he spoke, his words were frozen harder than the ground they stood on.

"From what I saw, the damage to the Nara estate is largely property damage that can be fixed by any competent construction worker. Likewise, you have some dead about whom nothing can be done and only a few wounded, whom someone else can care for as well or better than you. I, on the other hand, have two hundred and fifty-ish people who are going to be showing up on my doorstep sometime in the next hour, desperate for a place to sleep out of the cold. They have nowhere to go; their houses are destroyed, their families and friends are all dead and their houses were destroyed, and they can't afford to pay for an inn. If someone doesn't step up and help them they'll freeze to death before morning. I'm not going to let that happen. If necessary then yes, I'll have them packed cheek-by-jowl into the house, but I'd rather give them their own quarters. As to you, you are either Team Uplift or you're not. If you abandoned us for the Nara, fine. Go. If not, summon your pangolins so that we can make those people some shelter."
 
Sure, the words might be insulting, but it's not Yuno's insult. It's Hidan's insult that is echoed from Yuno's lips.
"I didn't say this hurtful thing, I'm just relaying it to you!" is kinda like that kids car ride game where you poke your finger at someone's eye and stop an inch away, then chant "Not touching, can't get mad!"

Again, I can understand the reasoning provided, but given how the meeting was presented to the playerbase, textually, I feel skeptical that it should be assigned much narrative weight.
Okay. In that case, I don't know what to tell you. I (and, I believe, @Velorien) disagree with your reading of the chapter but you are entitled to your interpretation.
 
"I didn't say this hurtful thing, I'm just relaying it to you!" is kinda like that kids car ride game where you poke your finger at someone's eye and stop an inch away, then chant "Not touching, can't get mad!"

I think it's more "I just got brain-whammied by someone with much higher socials, and am now echoing their thoughts as though they were my own."

A millionaire televangelist saying you're evil and are going to hell is infuriating, but one of their victims saying that is... well, not quite "pitiful," since that carries a derogatory connotation, but more "lamentable" or "affecting in the direction of sympathy."
 
I think it's more "I just got brain-whammied by someone with much higher socials, and am now echoing their thoughts as though they were my own."
With all due respect, Yuno was the most jashinist jashinist to ever exist barring Hidan without even knowing about it. We all knew well ahead of time how easy it would've been to convert her to it. Rock Lee probably could've persuaded her to become a jashinist. It is perfectly suited to all her flaws and in her own words is exactly what she's been looking for all her life
 
Do we have any fires in the near future we need to stamp out? Currently I can only think of a few things:
  • We need a Yuno rehabilitation plan, and probably talk with her again directly instead of handling her with kid gloves. Probably can be delegated because we suck at socials :V
  • We need to curb Ami's A day plans in light of new information (and have a conversation with her at 100% capability), but not sure if that needs to happen now now.
  • Ino Goo bomb deals blah blah, Jashin politics blah blah
  • ...and that's it I think?
After all that we should be able to focus on our lighthousing projects again, and I propose the following skeleton of a plan for getting rid of both of our stagnancies:

[ ] Plan name: Finally, some good fucking lighthousing
  • Tell Asuma that we'll be away on a long duration mission that is related to some new research insights we've found that we want to verify
  • We'll still check in on him daily through 7P
  • Leave clan duties to Gaku, make sure clan doesn't implode without your attention first. Leave clan running on idle instead of at 100% duty cycle.
  • Kagome and Hazo make a research base at the caves of mild peril, go above and beyond with the defensive perimeter, make it a whole doom fortress. Use full Team Uplift optimized plans. Hire earth ninjas if need be, but keeps opsec.
  • New research base is where Hazo and Kagome live and do research. When we get stagnant in combat, we take a trip inside the caves (with SC maybe?) and do some level appropriate combat. Otherwise focus focus focus on Primordial Sealing and Necromancy sealing.
  • For FOOM we meet with Noburi in 7P at certain times. He tops us up, and we go back to human path and do FOOM training.
  • Profit.
 
Does anyone remember whatever happened to the Otter Scroll mission from chapter 480? I remember we didn't personally go, but not what the results were, other than no Otter scroll.
Actually, yeah, I'm also confused about that. From what I remember at the time, the search group returned with "nothing there, sorry", which prompted me to update towards "nope, can't use Jashin just like this". But lately people bring it up as evidence for Jashin's assistance, implying that we know the Scroll is sitting there? Why? @faflec/anyone else willing to provide sources, help.
 
"Quite," Shikamaru agreed. "We have a surprisingly detailed personality profile for Grandmaster F—a legacy from the Fifth, who appears to have known her personally—and it does not portray her as a war hawk on the level of the Tsuchikage.
Wait, Jiraiya knew F? Do we have anything in his notes...?
Could you quote the part where Hazō was cruel, or fumbled the ball? I don't think he did either of those things and I'd like to understand where our readings differ.
Tone: I understand that this is not going to result in revisions but I was frustrated when it happened and want to understand it now, and voice some concerns.

Destroying Ritsuo's knife was dumb and a fumble. Even before we knew it was an heirloom, we knew it was expensive and extremely well-made and anyone reasonable would have then figured that we'd have to replace it and apologize for destroying it. During that meeting we could have asked just about anyone else for a knife that no one would have claimed was gimmicked (and they could have tested the skyslicer themselves if they didn't believe it).

I have a half-written thing with a bunch of references, but Hazo repeatedly antagonized the Hagoromo in ways which were, frankly, exclusively petty. And weren't voted on in plans.

Like...what was the deal with that? Mari had to have been involved in planning the skyslicer meeting. Did she sign off on antagonizing the Hagoromo in a way that would only make us appear childish and wouldn't advance any of our agendas? Or did Hazo do it of his own initiative?

Reading it made me feel sad because it felt like a teenager's imagining of a cool guy moment when in reality it was just dumb, and I honestly expected better of Hazo. Especially when the Hokage had, at that point, told us to drop it.

Part of the reason I'm a little less involved these days (mostly being very busy!) is because that aspect of his characterization is coming up more and more and previous attempts to trend away from it and/or defuse it have not been successful, which is frustrating because I would have expected a greater degree of control over what he thinks when it's reasonable.

I miss the guy who used earnestness and compassion and genuine enthusiasm as his first and last resorts. Maybe this is just the natural arc of the character, but he seems a lot more cynical these days, and it just...kinda sucks.
 
It's still there. Waiting for us. Perfect for Mari. We're the only ones who knows where it is, too.
I don't mean the scroll itself. I mean the mission that Asuma explicitly asked us to organize. Did we just never do it and then AMITY happened, taking the urgency out of it?
But Hazou's been the victim of S-ranker Cruelty before and not snapped at anyone in the aftermath. Several times over, even.
To be quite fair, this was the first time a family member mirrored and exulted said S-Ranker. It's as if Keiko had waxed lyrically about Zabuza right after that one time. In fact it's akin to what Hazō did to the rest of his family when he wanted to adopt Orochimaru.

Intellectually, I can understand the reasoning of "I'm trying to convince Shika et. al. that I'm not a Jashinist, and here's Yuno proclaiming the exact opposite. I can hear them walking up the gravel road. This is stressful, I'm on a time crunch, and I need to find a way to put a patch on this until the meeting is over."
That is a fair point. We were explicitly told that the chapter/plan was boring because there were no stakes. So how come Hazō anticipated such stakes?

IIRC, all the Clans still get their yearly 2 Adoption Tickets. It's just that KEI now has the ability to sell tickets outside of that.
Sure, but in the past this didn't limit inter-Clan marriages. Now essentially there can only be two marriages between ninja of different Clans per Clan. And this also applies to all the non-voting non-Bloodline Clans that have far fewer reasons to keep most relationships in the Clan. And also Clans small enough that incest might be an issue if they did.
 
Actually, yeah, I'm also confused about that. From what I remember at the time, the search group returned with "nothing there, sorry", which prompted me to update towards "nope, can't use Jashin just like this". But lately people bring it up as evidence for Jashin's assistance, implying that we know the Scroll is sitting there? Why? @faflec/anyone else willing to provide sources, help.
We didn't give the results of our Jashin roll to anyone else. The search party went off with only the record of the path the Summoner took, whereas we were given a couple hundred square mile triangle to search by the dice (still could've been coincidence, but could've not)
 
We didn't give the results of our Jashin roll to anyone else. The search party went off with only the record of the path the Summoner took, whereas we were given a couple hundred square mile triangle to search by the dice (still could've been coincidence, but could've not)
Do you or anyone remember the chapter where we were informed of their unsuccessful return? I can't even remember who ended up going on that mission.
 
Do we have any fires in the near future we need to stamp out? Currently I can only think of a few things:
  • We need a Yuno rehabilitation plan, and probably talk with her again directly instead of handling her with kid gloves. Probably can be delegated because we suck at socials :V
  • We need to curb Ami's A day plans in light of new information (and have a conversation with her at 100% capability), but not sure if that needs to happen now now.
  • Ino Goo bomb deals blah blah, Jashin politics blah blah
  • ...and that's it I think?
After all that we should be able to focus on our lighthousing projects again, and I propose the following skeleton of a plan for getting rid of both of our stagnancies:

[ ] Plan name: Finally, some good fucking lighthousing
  • Tell Asuma that we'll be away on a long duration mission that is related to some new research insights we've found that we want to verify
  • We'll still check in on him daily through 7P
  • Leave clan duties to Gaku, make sure clan doesn't implode without your attention first. Leave clan running on idle instead of at 100% duty cycle.
  • Kagome and Hazo make a research base at the caves of mild peril, go above and beyond with the defensive perimeter, make it a whole doom fortress. Use full Team Uplift optimized plans. Hire earth ninjas if need be, but keeps opsec.
  • New research base is where Hazo and Kagome live and do research. When we get stagnant in combat, we take a trip inside the caves (with SC maybe?) and do some level appropriate combat. Otherwise focus focus focus on Primordial Sealing and Necromancy sealing.
  • For FOOM we meet with Noburi in 7P at certain times. He tops us up, and we go back to human path and do FOOM training.
  • Profit.
Why are we going to another continent to research instead of Leaf? Which is just about the safest place in the MfDverse. Just to minimize interruptions?
 
Why are we going to another continent to research instead of Leaf? Which is just about the safest place in the MfDverse. Just to minimize interruptions?
I think you mean 'defer'.

If we can find somewhere interesting to go then maybe we can take advantage of the QM bandwidth exploit and Leaf will stay calm but at this point I don't think that's likely to work, because that really only prevents new things from cropping up.

I would personally prefer to employ the Ami maneuver wherein we recognize that the chaos of a fuckup is an opportunity to make big changes. I'm not sure exactly which levers we could pull, but things are in motion and that means that we can influence them. Normally they're stuck in place so hard that you need to be S-rank strong to move them, and we just aren't.
 
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