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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Shrooms said:
Say whatnow? Is there a good reason not to funnel pretty much all of it into an S rank stat? (Besides that punching and socials are cool in their own right)

Getting a double cost to just 40 is 1640 XP, or like 4 months of FOOM
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I meant I personally was less enthusiastic about slowing down foom to do like 8 research projects at once
 
10 levels of Primordial Sealing might be effectively worth 30 levels of regular Sealing. The reason why we're pursuing 3D sealing in the first place is because we predict it'll produce much more powerful seals than 2D.

That plus Sealing spilling over leads me to think we don't need to make 3D sealing the top of our pyramid, or even necessarily near the top.
 
Reposting this plan (minus the 3D sealing experiments) as a starting point for discussion. The first scene probably could use some enhancement/elaboration.

EDIT: Plan obsoleted because Paper answered most of our questions for Kagome.

[] Action Plan: Exploring Viability
Word count: <300 words
  • Meet with Mari, Kei, Snowflake, Noburi
    • Relay both our conversations with Yuno about Jashinism
    • Heads up, she'll probably try to convert you
    • We'd appreciate your advice and help with making sure she doesn't cause any incidents or massacres
    • Optimize public denouncement of Jashinism
      • (Perform this denouncement later, offscreen?)
    • Any other advice or recommendations to repair our reputation?
  • Meet with Noburi (Offscreen?)
    • We need a way to open Naruto's tenketsu, for necromancy
    • Do you think you can figure it out?
      • If so, begin research
  • Discuss with Kagome
    • We want to get you SC, but it's unlikely to happen soon
    • Can Akatsuki open rift without Naruto's chakra or Minato's notes? How quickly could they figure it out?
    • Your opinion on viability of...
      • Permanently killing Pain to prevent his resurrection?
      • Permanently disabling Pain's eyes?
      • Moving the rift somewhere more convenient/defensible/secret?
        • Enter rift, collect data to target Pure Lands, permanently close rift, open another later?
      • Creating second rift back and exiting somewhere else, to avoid Akatsuki ambush?
      • Building an impenetrable 5SB airtight foil box around rift, fortified with defenses like Fire Absorber seals, and getting aid from 7th Path when we exit, to defeat Akatsuki ambush?
    • Do we need additional diagnostic seals to determine:
      • How to ward against chakra drain in the Pure Lands?
      • Whether summoning/reverse-summoning is possible/safe?
      • If it's possible to move the rift to a different location?
      • If it's possible to permanently close the rift and open a new portal to the Pure Lands elsewhere?
    • How do we find people in the Pure Lands?
      • Do you know any tracking seals that might be helpful? (either directly or for veterancy)
      • Can we track people from a blood sample?
      • What should we research?
 
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acidshill said:
  • Ask Noburi to look into Tenketsu opening (Offscreen?)
  • Publicly denounce Jashinism (Offscreen?)
    • Optimize with Mari/Kei
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If there was an easy, significant, non-dangerous route to a Tenketsu power-up I think the Hyuga probably would have already found it, and would be ubiquitous in Leaf. I don't think thats a worthwhile research route absent Noburi apprenticing under Orochimaru who has probably already pursued these avenues of research.

I don't think we want to say anything about Jashinism publically yet. In this same plan we're asking Noburi, Mari, Kei, Snowflake to help us help Yuno. I think Yuno would negatively react to us denouncing Jashin in public without talking to her first.
 
Threnodist said:
If there was an easy, significant, non-dangerous route to a Tenketsu power-up I think the Hyuga probably would have already found it, and would be ubiquitous in Leaf. I don't think thats a worthwhile research route absent Noburi apprenticing under Orochimaru who has probably already pursued these avenues of research.
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All I know is that I remember Hazō and Kagome talking about the necromancy roadmap, and they thought that it would require someone to open Naruto's tenketsu, and that possibly Noburi could figure out how to do this. Someone correct me if my impression here is wrong.

Threnodist said:
I don't think we want to say anything about Jashinism publically yet. In this same plan we're asking Noburi, Mari, Kei, Snowflake to help us help Yuno. I think Yuno would negatively react to us denouncing Jashin in public without talking to her first.
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We did literally just tell her that we wouldn't be able to embrace Jashinism publicly, so she really shouldn't be surprised or upset if we denounce it.
 
acidshill said:
All I know is that I remember Hazō and Kagome talking about the necromancy roadmap, and they thought that it would require someone to open Naruto's tenketsu, and that possibly Noburi could figure out how to do this. Someone correct me if my impression here is wrong.
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I was unaware of this information.

acidshill said:
We did literally just tell her that we wouldn't be able to embrace Jashinism publicly, so she really shouldn't be surprised or upset if we denounce it.
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When it comes to religion often times people act quite irrationally. Yuno told us that Jashinism was something that made sense to her and that she identified with it. If we denounce the tenets of Jashinism it is likely that Yuno will feel that we are denouncing parts of her which will hurt her feelings and increase feelings of isolation & alienation.

Additionally, I still don't understand the point of checking in with the rest of the clan on how we should approach Yuno if we decide to do something that could impact our relationship with Yuno regardless of their advice.
 
eaglejarl said:
Stunt: Earth Infusion
Cost: 125 XP
Prerequisites:

  • The Sealsmith stunt
  • Sealing: 40
  • Earthshaping XX or another source of infusable material. The crystal from the cave in Honey is infusable. (We're obscuring the exact level of Earthshaping required as it is information Hazō does not have access to; nonetheless, he is confident he can imbue stone with the requisite quality for making 3D seals given greater skill in Earthshaping.)
  • Someone to teach you OR sufficient 3D seal reference material (see below)
Effect: Grants the double-cost skill 'Primordial Sealing' at level 0. This skill allows the creation of three-dimensional seals. Hazō is confident that there is sufficient overlap with regular sealing that some of his existing knowledge will be useful with three-dimensional seals. (In mechanical terms, part of the Sealing skill will be applied as a bonus to Primordial Sealing.)
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What this needs is a tagline about being eaten by primordial horrors to bring it in line with the other two Sealing Stunts.
Sealsmith Stunt said:
Sealsmith
XP Cost 250
Prereqs: Someone to teach you, typically 3-6 months of dedicated study, willingness to accept that you will eventually have your face eaten by Lovecraftian horrors.

Unlocks the Sealing skill and thereby opens the door to rewriting reality as you see fit.
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Biosealer Stunt said:
Biosealer
XP Cost 125
Prereqs: Sealsmith, Sealing 40, Medknow 30, Mednin 30, Calligraphy 30, (recommended) Carving 30, willingness to accept that you will eventually have your face eaten by horrors of your own creation

To buy this stunt, you much have someone with Biosealer teach you over the course of 3-6 months of dedicated study.
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cog-nito said:
Given that you specified that it would be harder and didn't say impossible, does that mean that it is in fact, at least in theory possible to remove combat stagnacy with SC memory-transfer assuming a sufficiently large amount meaningful combat encounters are completed by a given characters' shadow clones?
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What about if you've got a fight with Prime AND SCs? Does it make it easier to remove stagnancy?

acidshill said:
We'd appreciate your advice and help with making sure she doesn't cause any incidents or massacres
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Do you think she is so unstable that she'd kill leaf citizens? (I don't, though: ) I doubt we can prevent all incidents, but surely if we can rope her into Birth Jashinism she'll be behaving okay (eg, not committing 'treasonous' acts).
 
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Chapter 576: Sealing Lore "Hazō." Kagome's voice was calmer than usual. All the decisions were made and there was no more uncertainty, no more need to worry about possible branchings. "Hi Sensei," Hazō said, smiling. "What's up?" "Come with me." Kagome turned and walked off towards the...
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Thanks, faflec. Taking another look at this, there was no mention of Noburi. Kagome thought a biosealer (haha, nope) or Tsunade could do it. Maybe Noburi could do it, but I'm not optimistic. It's worth asking him, though.
 
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