I think she might kill peasants in the countryside. Probably not people living in Leaf proper.Do you think she is so unstable that she'd kill leaf citizens? (I don't, thoughI doubt we can prevent all incidents, but surely if we can rope her into Birth Jashinism she'll be behaving okay (eg, not committing 'treasonous' acts).
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
"Willingness to eventually eat the faces of the primordial horrors that created you."
Spector29
It Only Gets Worse From Here
So, remind me what this actually does for us. I know that we needed 3D sealing to [something] the Great Seal. Was our primary goal to repair it, xor replicate it? Is the next step to treat the Great Seal as a research project and get it done that way, xor are we going to build up to it by adapting seals we know into 3D seals and seeing what changes?
I'm excited to see what this unlocks for us. Hopefully it's an evolution comparable to developing a low-level Programming language rather than directly interfacing with reality's Assembly Registers.
I'm excited to see what this unlocks for us. Hopefully it's an evolution comparable to developing a low-level Programming language rather than directly interfacing with reality's Assembly Registers.
Cariyaga
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Either to repair or replicate it. Additionally, this gives us options beyond what regular-sealing-that-everyone-can-do could, uh, do.
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We're never going to leave this village ever again are we?
Asuma
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- Hazou a primordial sealmaster
- Oro
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No, it was a "you get 1 XP when it should have been 0 because no actual plan was voted in because it was supposed to be an interlude but it got out of hand."
Akatsuki had a plan that they were executing on Nagi Island. No one (?) knows exactly what it was, but it was clearly world-changing and they're a bunch of crazy people so it probably wasn't something most folks would like. Jiraiya and a whole bunch of others went to Nagi and killed Akatsuki. In the process, Jiraiya and most of the other people who went with him died. Jiraiya was in a fight against Konan, a paper-using S-rank ninja that he trained. He was losing the fight, perhaps in part because he was reluctant to hurt his former student, and he could tell that he wasn't getting out of there. He used a technique called "Gōketsu Clan Technique: Kagome's Bliss". It caused all the things to blow up. Killed Konan, killed Jiraiya. Yes, all of this is canon.
Since his death, Hazō did a seance in which he saw a vision of Jiraiya in the afterlife. It may or may not have been a true vision (EDIT: although he extracted and verified previously unknown information from it) but the current theory among the players is that Jiraiya is still in the afterlife, still potentially resurrectable. They're going to pry the rift open in order to get in there, then they're going to search until they find him, and they're going to bring him home.
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Oh boy will naruto be over joyed to see his former mentor back
So anyone from our teammates dead
redzonejoe
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This is a 'rational' quest. The most rational explanation is that Hazo hallucinated out of desperation. Uh oh. I legit did not even consider that it might not be true until now.
On the other hand, that portal we saw once that probably led to an afterlife was legit, so anything and everything we think we know about the afterlife must also be legit right? That's definitely how that works.
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Yup. Akane died quite recently. She is the first and only member of Team Uplift to die thus far.
??? Hazō has literally said, onscreen, "I don't know if this was real or not."
We going to revive her
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We saw Jiraiya use the Toad Thrust in the seance, something that Hazou didn't recognize and didn't remember seeing Jiraiya use before. When we replicated the movements to Naruto, he recognized it and confirmed that it was a taijutsu technique Jiraiya knew.
Outside of the dubious circumstance where Hazou saw the Toad Thrust, completely forgot about it, hallucinated it up during the seance, and then still completely failed to remember ever seeing it, the only reasonable explanation for how Hazou knew the correct movements to the Toad Thrust is that he wasn't hallucinating. Of course, it's still possible that all that stuff I just said did happen, the forgetting and the hallucinating and all that, but we have no reason to believe that any of that happened.
And while the idea of a seance giving useful information may be very unlikely to us, it's far from beyond the pale in Marked for Death's world. We've seen the afterlife, we know it's a physical place where people who have died can move around and do things like that. Furthermore, when we first met Orochimaru and blacked out under the influence of his aura we saw visions of what was strongly implied to be genuinely possible futures if Hazou pursued apprenticeship with Orochimaru. Beyond that, we also have evidence just in general of eldritch beings who can reach into your head and affect your thoughts (thanks Mori Voice) or explicitly give visions to believers (like Hidan just told us). And that seance? We never told anyone, but we prayed to Jashin as it started. Jashin, who is explicitly capable of dumping visions into people's heads.
So overall it's not that unlikely given what we know of Marked for Death's world, and I personally would be very surprised if Hazou had seen the Toad Thrust and then forgotten it and yadda yadda yadda, which means I do think it's pretty likely that we saw a genuine vision of Jiraiya during the seance. For completion's sake, it's also possible that we saw a genuine vision but the information within was fabricated, but I don't think there's any particular reason to believe this over the vision being genuine.
But hey, we'll find out ourselves once we get there.
redzonejoe
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I'm not Hazo. I was sure it was real until very recently.
You know what? Thanks. Some of the stuff you said and discussion at the time and yadda yadda were probably big factors in my relative certainty. But the length of the quest, combined with update speed and the fact that I'm not faflec, means I just forgot all the details that went into that and so upon (a very abridged) review I reached a different conclusion and was shocked.
Crisis averted boys we can move on past my embarrassment now. Woot woot full necromancy ahead.
Indeed we need this to fix the Great Seal. Oro seems convinced that the correct way forward is to deactivate the GS, and then infuse a replacement. We have no reason to think he's wrong. It seems to be better plan than trying to patch the GS as it is.
I doubt we can immediately repair the GS with PS 10. I would expect it to be something like a TN 80 PS seal.
Primordial Sealing is so good because there will be a bunch of stuff that we can do easily with it that is flat out impossible with regular Sealing. We are talking direct chakra manipulation. Ignoring the chakra diffusion effect, seals that affect an entire village. Anything is possible.
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Actually can somebody link me to the chapter where this takes place? I want to reread the epic fight again
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Hidan said dreams, not visions.
And just because the vision sender wants us to open the portal doesn't mean it's going to lead to Jiraiya.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
Naruto reimagined as a deathworld without most of the canon plot holes.
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Whether it's sentient or not, it's quite literally a chakra monster, but one several orders of magnitude more powerful and dangerous than others. Its power generates and/or attracts chakra monsters in the vicinity that make the general area a lot more dangerous. I don't think that sentience is of the matter here, much like spiderbear sentience or chakra crocodile sentience are discarded in the face of "they're chakra monsters." I want to find out things about it too, but shattering that big crystal with big overkill is likely to save lots of lives by its mere disappearance, maybe prevent chakra golem formation long-term, and of course help reproducing the Great Seal.
If we want a renewable source of it, rather than just boatloads of it, I assume that Hazō getting used to working with crystals and different materials in general could lead to discovering how to replicate the cave crystal's internal composition, or at least find another usable type.
Cariyaga
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This reminds me:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Is Hazou able to reproduce the stuff the crystal is made of, if not the crystal itself?
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A share of Honey crystal after Orochimaru slaughters the entity within?
Wasn't the crystal a shaving of the Golem spawner's heart? So I don't see how we can source that with negotiation.
We don't know that though. Maybe 3D sealing would s completely safe and unable to create horrors.
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Hazou has made the transition from ninja punch wizard to actual wizard.
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Smashing the whole crystal to bits is only marginally better than not going at all. We'll get a moderately small and finite amount of crystal, which will diminish rapidly as we do even the most basic research into the discipline. Certainly not worth the trip all the way over to the Eastern Continent.
I mention sentience because I have a strong preference against destroying a sentient life without good reason, and it's just plausible enough that the cave crystal might qualify in its own alien way that I would prefer we study it and make sure about that before we do anything that could be considered immoral. I don't think it's the cause of much death nowadays, since it doesn't extend its reach beyond the cave and the villagers nearby know how to stay safe around it. But of course, the point is moot if there's no meaningful value in going there again in the first place.
I do think, though, that it's safer than you think to return. The cave was remarkably docile at first, not even complaining when we chipped away some of the crystal. It only became aggressive when we attempted to Earthshape it, which we can avoid trying again. This doesn't guarantee it won't turn hostile, but Shadow Clone makes this a lot safer. Instead of sending our Primes into the heart of the cave, we send in the clones and see how they do, keeping a getaway clear. If it looks like the cave really is benign unless we Earthshape it, we can start bringing the Primes back into it for research purposes.
And certainly, we can try out renewable crystal generation here at home. This is my preferred strategy, actually, given that we can try it without a weeks-long diversion from Necromancy. I think between Hazou's Earthshaping and Noburi's ability to control chakra we might just be able to figure out a replication strategy. Or maybe Orochimaru can, and we should pass a crystal sample off to him. Both of those options sound far more economical than anything involving the land of Honey right now.
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Where do dead chakra things go? Or is the [Current Path] the chakra entity afterlife?
So many questions. So little Lore.
So many questions. So little Lore.
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