I guess Shikamaru might convince Ami to abandon her path and kill Hazō
Eh, I think Ami is a terrifyingly big enough girl to know that's not an optimal play for her or Kei. Though I guess if he had a favor, it might work anyway.
Still, Hazou can't become an SSS-Ninja too soon. Y'know, being above death and politics and Ami shenanigans.
 
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All I see is an opportunity to forcibly extract the Nara forbidden lore by bringing this to Asuma combined with our speculations of the Thinkers' ongoing collaboration and conspiracy to cover up existential threats. If Shikamaru did this, they've been doing this systemically, ever since Leaf's conception. The whole clan will look rotten in Asuma's eyes, and we can crack it open like an egg.

Delicious, delicious forbidden lore~

Asuma probably knows something, because Kei told us that at least one Tama needs to live and that Asuma is aware of "bad things" happening:

You recall the existence of the Tama Clan, Rock's optimisation specialists?"

Hazō nodded.

"At least one must survive. Ideally more, for the sake of a safety margin. Please bear this in mind when preparing your plan to annihilate Hidden Rock as you can, must, and will."

Hazō winced. "That's a lot harder than just erasing the entire village from existence."

"There are options available to us. We can discuss the matter in more depth once you have a shortlist of localised apocalypses. For now, please trust that it is necessary. The Hokage will be aware of this as well, as indeed will the Tama."

And Oro also knew about them and mocked us.

I just doubt that only the people from Isan and us have any additional insight into this topic.
 
Remember, Akane is still a priority target for any nations or groups willing to break AMITY for FORBIDDEN GOKETSU LORE.

With Hidan, he will hopefully uncover the real killer, whoever they are.
 
If you want information on Akane's movements then the weak link is not the tower, it's her genin team. Even if they're trying to be secretive about their first beast hunt they're 12 - their opsec will have gaps, their avoidance of watchers will have gaps etc.

They won't know the target location of course. Someone keeping a general eye on the mission board and knowing near Leaf geography could probably keep a shortlist up to date. Did we look for capture/kill teams covering other possibilities who never got activated?
 
EJ, is this you talking directly into the camera? Because if so, what do you expect us to do? Sealing is black-boxed, and AFAICT we don't have any leads other than the minato notes. Should we vote for 'Hazō does rift research pursuing whatever approach he thinks is best'? Is that a good idea?
Sometimes, characters' opinions belong solely to the characters.

You could vote for "do random rift research" if desired but I honestly have no idea how we would handle it or whether or not it has any chance of success. There is a wide spectrum of opinions regarding necromancy on the QM team and having it thrown into our lap would require significant discussion.

Wait, what? There's Patreon exclusive chapters? Or would this one have been the first?
I have no Patreon-exclusive chapters and so far as I'm aware @Velorien does not either. There is one chapter *prelude* which I suppose I might publish there. I originally published it to SV as a link labeled "here is a link that leads to an off-site PG scene involving Mari having sex with another adult, where the camera goes to black as things get started. You do not need to see it to understand anything." Then I decided to take it down. This happened shortly after the threadlock, when I was extra jumpy about anything that could remotely brush against the edges of SV's rules and I thought mods might possibly get irked and claim that we were evading the rules or something. I have no objection to anyone seeing it, but I *really* do not want to have to once again spend three hours discussing, including needing to respond to the statement "I need to know that you know what you did wrong", even if the answer is then found to be that we did nothing wrong. I had never had any sort of serious disciplinary action on any site before and was having visions of the thread being deleted, us being permabanned, etc. (For the record, the mods did not say that was on the table, this was simply my brain going to bad places.)
 
Ino basically thinks it's impossible for someone in the tower to infiltrate the Tower. But it's never impossible. Just really hard.
 
Interlude: Wilting Flowers
I'm supposed to be studying but I read a few lines and there was Ino dating. That takes precedence. Let's go!
Hazō took a moment to take in the various flowers. The art of crafting a bouquet was something beyond him, but Mari had insisted that he learn the bare basics of Leaf flower language, since clan heads would often use flowers to subtly communicate the mood without being crass. Walking into a meeting without whether they'd left out a vase of edelweiss or anemone could be disastrous.
That, and also if your girlfriend gives you a bouquet, you look at the bouquet. :D
"The blessings of fortune, longing for the object of your dreams, and… congratulations for my new child!?"
What, you didn't know? :O
"You got there. It's cute watching you figure things out. Was it hard?"
If it's cute, then mission accomplished! Scoring points by way of dorkiness is the best
"More headaches?" Ino asked sympathetically.
More aches than heads even
"I'm worried about that, Hazō. There are parts of the mind that are dangerous, and certain thoughts that can hurt you, but they're not supposed to hurt you physically.
Boooo, hiding the really exciting infohazards from us
Forcing yourself to relive old traumas sounds bad enough, but having those memories somehow contain… some new information that's still useful to you, and also some quality that gives you a lasting, physical headache for days? That sounds dangerous. Like, really dangerous."
On a scale of "inviting Jashin into my mind" to "physically editing my brain to make it more like Orochimaru's" just how literally dangerous are we talking?
"It's fine. I know how to handle it. I can keep myself from slipping in too deep, and then it's not dangerous."
Yeah, she's probably heard that one before to disastrous effect hasn't she
"Sure. I trust your judgment. Still, if you turn yourself into a vegetable because you wanted to finish a sealing project just a little bit faster… I'll be very sad. So don't do that."
The fact that her mind went there makes me add one strike to the "the Nara have a bloodline that works a bit like the Mori's and you can go too deep" HC likeliness tally. I don't think she's close enough to Keiko to know the specifics, and that's really the kind of expectation you'd have if you'd been fighting alongside a Frozen Skein user.
"So, Ino, what's been on your mind?"
More like, in whose mind has she been? Eh? Eh?
So if they needed information, where are the fucking informants, Hazō?
... Wait. Who reported the higher chakra beast numbers and caused the mission? Couldn't you do that entirely externally? I don't know if chakra beast extermination is directly scanned for and funded by the state or, what I think is more likely, if local leaders and merchants pay for their hottest roads to be cleaned up regularly, but like. wouldn't it be so easy to make a false flag for chakra beast activity far from Leaf (or drive chakra beasts into Fire) and ambush the team that gets sent, because you can expect that a chakra beast extermination team that goes far would be relatively valuable and overall capable, but not overly dangerous?
"So what could it have been? Did Rock sneak a bloodline ninja close enough to the Tower to get intel on our mission deployments? The Hyūga are supposed to catch that. Did they invent some new undetectable spying seal, or spying jutsu? We're crazy screwed if so. Or did they somehow slip an informant past us?"
They have a precognitive bloodline aiiieeeeee
"This is what I'm supposed to be good at," Ino said. "I'm supposed to be able to talk with people and ferret out their secrets. Instead, there's nothing I can do here. It's depressing."
We'll get 'em, don't worry.
"Sometimes," Hazō said eventually, "there's nothing to find. That doesn't mean there was nothing there. It might just mean that whoever you're playing against covered it up perfectly."

"That's the thing, Hazō. There's no such thing as a perfect cover-up.
"Shinobi are beings of shadow," Keiko explained slowly, as if to a small child. "A perfect assassination is when the target appears to have died of natural causes. A perfect theft is when the target is convinced that they misplaced the item themselves. A perfect seduction is when the target believes that they were the seducer. Do you perceive the trend?"
Hmmmm. Ino, what do you know, and how do you know it?
but I think my Goo Bombs have to be pretty close to his. What do you need them for?"

"After you reminded me about them, I thought back to how you used them during the Chūnin Exams. I think they could help keep Yamanaka genin alive.
Yay progress!
Oh, and don't worry about the Tower trying to buy out the whole supply without giving us any. I'll convince Asuma-sensei to let you trade with me without those bureaucrats playing middleman."
Iiiinnnteresting
the chakra beast attacks have also been much worse than average…
That's concerning. Especially if something or someone causes that. Wait... is Kakuzu taxing them more now that they have more money because taxes went down to, uuuuh, that was 85% right?
 
wouldn't it be so easy to make a false flag for chakra beast activity far from Leaf
The problem with that theory is that the timeline is too tight for the attackers to not have been given the signal to enter Leaf. We mathed it out in the Discord a couple weeks back and it painted a very interesting picture. That chapter with Kei and Mari telling Hazō 37.5 or whatever the number is was mostly bogus, they just have no faith that Hazō can keep such feelings to himself and would thus get himself executed for trying to go after Shika and/or Asuma, so they tried to convince him that he was wrong.

Of course, we then got PoV chapters for them showing that there's actually a good chance he's right, with Mari thinking that's the leading possibility.
 
The problem with that theory is that the timeline is too tight for the attackers to not have been given the signal to enter Leaf. We mathed it out in the Discord a couple weeks back and it painted a very interesting picture. That chapter with Kei and Mari telling Hazō 37.5 or whatever the number is was mostly bogus, they just have no faith that Hazō can keep such feelings to himself and would thus get himself executed for trying to go after Shika and/or Asuma, so they tried to convince him that he was wrong.

Of course, we then got PoV chapters for them showing that there's actually a good chance he's right, with Mari thinking that's the leading possibility.
Is the timeline really that tight? Signal significant chakra beast issues and someone will be sent not too long after. Set someone there, ambush, done.
I'm not saying it can't be Asuma, but we are locking ourselves seeing treason as the only possibility. For all we know they could've been doing another kind of mission that required high stealth and only met Team Akane by the worst of luck.
Do Shikamaru and Asuma have reason to do this? Yes. Is that enough to assume it's them? Nah. Yagura would do this. Asuma is so big on the Will of Fire, and he practically reveres the Third who imo wouldn't have done that.
 
Is the timeline really that tight? Signal significant chakra beast issues and someone will be sent not too long after. Set someone there, ambush, done.
I'm not saying it can't be Asuma, but we are locking ourselves seeing treason as the only possibility. For all we know they could've been doing another kind of mission that required high stealth and only met Team Akane by the worst of luck.
Do Shikamaru and Asuma have reason to do this? Yes. Is that enough to assume it's them? Nah. Yagura would do this. Asuma is so big on the Will of Fire, and he practically reveres the Third who imo wouldn't have done that.
Direct quote by Asuma when we made an appeal to his better nature - "I am not my father."
And his actions to date have all but reinforced that as true.

I think its likely that Shikamaru plotted to kill Akane, but I'd say he probably did so without Asuma's involvement or knowledge, even though its not that unlikely they were in cahoots with one another, and I think its extremely improbable that Asuma did it without Shikamaru's help or advice.
 
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I have no Patreon-exclusive chapters and so far as I'm aware @Velorien does not either.
I don't, and don't intend to in the future. In general, I think such things would be a bad fit for the quest. Player discussion, analysis, and planning have always depended heavily on @faflec the ability to look back at past chapters, from vague worldbuilding and characterisation to the exact wording of dialogue. Splitting the player base into those who can access certain information and those who can't would not go well.
 
Direct quote by Asuma when we made an appeal to his better nature - "I am not my father."
And his actions to date have all but reinforced that as true.
He's right that he is not, but I think there are two factors to take into account on top:
- one, he isn't because he can't be. he doesn't have the raw power or connections.
- two, that doesn't mean he doesn't wish he were.
 
He's right that he is not, but I think there are two factors to take into account on top:
- one, he isn't because he can't be. he doesn't have the raw power or connections.
- two, that doesn't mean he doesn't wish he were.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No one sees themselves as the villain, especially not people in power with the means to choose, rather than wallow in self pity, helpless to make a change. Hiruzen's power was lesser than Asuma's as a proportion of Leaf's military strength, not greater. He applied it towards good cause anyway. Asuma does not and shirks in the face of risk, and his morals are puddle deep.

Nowadays there are barely any S-rankers left, while before there used to be Jiraiya, Tsunade, Naruto, Kakashi, Gai... as well as a great, great many elite jounin, plus people like Danzou, Orochimaru, Sakumo, Minato etc earlier on in the Third's reign. He did not have a monopoly on violence.
 
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It's very tight, especially when you take into consideration the distance/time limitations ninja have, and the fact that half of the time a spy could have used to inform the attackers was at night and thus not normally available for rapid speed travel.
There's also the point that moving quickly expends chakra so it doesn't make sense to make your typical travel speed your max speed. There's not good reason to burn chakra traveling and weaken yourself in the wilderness unless you've got a target already that you're trying to catch up to.
 
I assume she means all the ones that aren't in a clan, right @Paperclipped @eaglejarl @Velorien? Ruka, who was the most suspicious person, wasn't allowed to be interrogated by anyone at T&I and was allowed to not answer any question she didn't want to and end the interrogation at any time.
Over the course of the past several weeks, every member of the Tower staff was interrogated without mind-dives. Hagoromo Ruka's preliminary investigation was authorized while the Hokage and her clan head were both out of Leaf, and the full details of the attack were still unknown. More thorough investigations followed, including a quite grueling interrogation of Ruka.
 
Isn't that evidence against there being a spy as opposed to life sucking?
No, it's evidence that the information was likely leaked ahead of time. That's what Ino was investigating in the most recent chapter, that someone gave the information to the attackers ahead of time as there's not really great odds on the genin having leaked the mission to a spy and the spy to have gotten to an attack team on team who just so happened to be stationed at the Fire border at the perfect spot to dart in and out of the country on the same day.

She (and I) seemed to think that it's more likely someone in the tower arranged for the assassination, letting the attackers know when and where TA would be going. It's likely why the attackers went straight south in a search pattern looking for TA's tracks.
 
No, it's evidence that the information was likely leaked ahead of time. That's what Ino was investigating in the most recent chapter, that someone gave the information to the attackers ahead of time as there's not really great odds on the genin having leaked the mission to a spy and the spy to have gotten to an attack team on team who just so happened to be stationed at the Fire border at the perfect spot to dart in and out of the country on the same day.

She (and I) seemed to think that it's more likely someone in the tower arranged for the assassination, letting the attackers know when and where TA would be going. It's likely why the attackers went straight south in a search pattern looking for TA's tracks.
This all still relies on the assumption that they learnt of the thing after TA was assigned and left. Or prepared by Leaf somehow. If something leaked from the Tower, then it's somewhere high and there's a big issue. But that's a big if, because they don't need a leak from the Tower. That's actually a tactic we suggested ourselves during the war - drawing ninja out to force them to help the civilian population and whittle away at their strength. Our idea was to block rivers with MEW. But we even gave Rock the idea of herding chakra beasts when we did exactly that shortly after the Collapse. Add an ambush instead of fleeing so you can cut down an isolated team, and you're done.
 
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For what it's worth, in open to selling goo bombs to Ino. It's a reasonable request. It will mean something to her. And, strategically, having her clan more positively predisposed towards us has a lot of merit.. Especially if we want shinies later.
 
For what it's worth, in open to selling goo bombs to Ino. It's a reasonable request. It will mean something to her. And, strategically, having her clan more positively predisposed towards us has a lot of merit.. Especially if we want shinies later.
Same. Goo Bombs also scale to the ability of the Sealmaster making them, so while I trust Ino not to steal them from the Goketsu, it's also not a major loss if some Yamanaka ninja tries their luck.

Honestly, I'd be willing to sell them for whatever Hazou-pilot and Mari think is reasonable... though basic money seems kinda boring. We also have infinite money from ES50.

Maybe we could ask for some political help ingratiating the Goketsu Clan with the Akimichi Clan? It seems like something Ino would be in favor of doing, it would help sway one of the neutral clans towards favoring the Goketsu...

It would be a minor favor in return for... say 6 months of supplying Goo Bomb Seals? And the contract can be renegotiated at the end of the six months?
 
Sometimes, characters' opinions belong solely to the characters.

You could vote for "do random rift research" if desired but I honestly have no idea how we would handle it or whether or not it has any chance of success. There is a wide spectrum of opinions regarding necromancy on the QM team and having it thrown into our lap would require significant discussion.


I have no Patreon-exclusive chapters and so far as I'm aware @Velorien does not either. There is one chapter *prelude* which I suppose I might publish there. I originally published it to SV as a link labeled "here is a link that leads to an off-site PG scene involving Mari having sex with another adult, where the camera goes to black as things get started. You do not need to see it to understand anything." Then I decided to take it down. This happened shortly after the threadlock, when I was extra jumpy about anything that could remotely brush against the edges of SV's rules and I thought mods might possibly get irked and claim that we were evading the rules or something. I have no objection to anyone seeing it, but I *really* do not want to have to once again spend three hours discussing, including needing to respond to the statement "I need to know that you know what you did wrong", even if the answer is then found to be that we did nothing wrong. I had never had any sort of serious disciplinary action on any site before and was having visions of the thread being deleted, us being permabanned, etc. (For the record, the mods did not say that was on the table, this was simply my brain going to bad places.)
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She's our beloved, just give her the goo bombs.
We don't need to make this into haggling. We can just help, and trust her to reciprocate if the situation is reversed.
This is a Clan to Clan negotiation. Her being our beloved just means that the Clan Heads generally trust each other on a personal level. It does not mean that either Clan's members should perceive one Head as being suborned to the other through seduction.

The Yamanaka are an allied Clan, so the deal can be an above board and favorable one. But it still has to be a fair one. They get a capability they wouldn't get elsewhere. We should get the same. They know what Goo Bombs are worth to them. We trust them that an offer that seems of equivalent value probably is of equivalent value. The Yamanaka Elders have a certain degree of influence over Ino's decision making. The Gokētsu have two Elders of their own and the Clan Heir is a trusted advisor as well.
 
She's our beloved, just give her the goo bombs.
We don't need to make this into haggling. We can just help, and trust her to reciprocate if the situation is reversed.
This seems like a bad precedent. Ino and Hazou aren't just two people in a relationship. They're both Clan Heads of two different clans. They have responsibilities and duties to the people under their authority.

Hazou isn't just Hazou-the-Boyfriend, or Hazou-the-Sealmaster. Hazou is also Hazou-the-Goketsu-Clan-Head. Hazou has a responsibility to the Institution that is the Goketsu Clan. Hazou has a duty to his many hundreds ("nearly a thousand") Goketsu Civilians under his care. Hazou has a duty to his many subordinate Goketsu Ninja.

Hazou has a duty to build the Goketsu Clan up from a fledgling Clan to one that can stand even with all the other clans that have had centuries to stockpile and refine their various tricks, tips, and shinies.

Likewise, Ino isn't just Ino-the-Girlfriend, or Ino-the-Ninja. She's also a Clan Head of The Yamanaka Clan, with everything that entails (see: above).

Luckily, the Yamanaka Clan and the Goketsu Clan are trusted allies. This allows for us to relax a bit.

Luckily, the Yamanaka Clan Head is asking for something that is prosocial (protect genin kids), and isn't being presumptuous. She wants them for her genin kids, and she wants to buy them from us, rather than presuming that Hazou would give them to her.

I say we sell her a 6 Month Contract that specifically supplies the Yamanaka Genin with Hazou's Goo Bombs, and then if Ino wants to renew or expand the contract, we can renegotiate. [Edit: under the conditional that no Yamanaka Sealmaster tries to reverse engineer them. And then we can draw them on black paper, just to be safe.]

But just giving them to Ino because they're dating... that's a little disrespectful, imo. Sure, let's not be assholes and charge whatever reasonable, but for free? That's a little... demeaning on a personal level and flagrantly inconsiderate on a political level.
 
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