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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I'm of the opinion that if they gave us what they did, then it means they have something waay better and way stronger. It's how those things usually works. No one gives their best. That's foolish.
This would be amazing for FOOM/Clone sickness, so hopefully.
I mean yes, but it was due to genocide. I'm not sure that'd be a good thing to bring up for the opposing side. It's like stating "I want to commit atrocities with your seals" which...may be a given, but most people don't like to say it in public.
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I meant first generation ninja. Kids who were considered fully civilians until they weren't.
Why would they care about the efficacy of what they gave us and wonder whether it's effective or not when they literally have a better version of the same thing? Why would they even keep the ninjutsu around at all?
Do you also think that that one botanist Clan has a plant that produces double the gold?
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Well, we keep the notes of our older, easier, not-as-strong seals, Leaf library has jutsu that are just worse versions of other jutsu, the Nara have better capture techniques than what Kei has learned, and so on. It's not really a stretch that Clans hold on to weaker versions of other things they have. For example, you want your genin to have a leg up but you also don't want them to leak your best stuff the moment they get captured. Or you need the weaker stuff as a prerequisite for better stuff. Etc etc.
(And the gold producing plant was from Oro, not a Clan, IIRC. The Yamanaka are the only Botanist clan in Leaf I'm aware of..)
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What we should actually try to get from Ino is anything that would help Mari's genjutsu.
Why not give her a choice?
"Good idea. I can put together a few hundred high-chunin tier goo bombs for your genin, that should be decisive in any remotely fair fight.
But if Asuma's permission to trade directly extends beyond genin usage, we'd be happy to trade you an ongoing supply of Jiraiya-tier Goo Bombs for your clan, in exchange for resolve booster or similar goodies."
Let her decide if this is a small favor for our beloved, or a deal between clans. Which does she want?
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I recall we had two academy students and one of their families moved away after the Sealing failure, but I can't find the name of the one who stayed
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There was a Clan that offered three different plants to the contest. One was a potent pain killer. And I'm pretty sure another one was the gold producing plant that uses a lot of chakra.
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Cached thought: I agree. I recall I ran a calculation on this, and ended up concluding that even a reasonably powerful Resolve-boosting technique (e. g., +Resolve AB to Resolve rolls) would only speed up a multi-year process by 2-4 months or so. Which isn't nothing, and it'd stack quickly if we get a few Resolve-boosters, but isn't exactly a game-changer. Obviously grab one if it's just lying there, but spending large-scale resources on that? Eh.
(Sanity-check: Suppose we have Resolve 90. We're able to integrate (90+3(5-2)-20)/3 = 26.3 bonus training blocks/day, which translates to ~10.53 bonus XP/day. Suppose we get a +Resolve AB jutsu. That'd mean (90+10+3(5-2)-20)/3 = 29.7 bonus training blocks/day, i. e. 11.88 bonus XP, for an increase of 1.35 XP/day or (11.88+4)/(10.53+4) = ~9% increase in XP rate. Which means e. g. a 365-day-long training program would take up... 332 days, i. e. 33 days less. That's a pittance at the point we're talking about, and that's not even accounting for how much XP we'd have to put in the jutsu itself.
But of course, that doesn't account for the pyramids. +Resolve AB may let us keep Resolve as one of our secondary stats, not our capstone, which may shorten the time to our becoming more powerful in practical terms by a more significant margin... I'm skeptical though, and too lazy to carry that calculation out.)
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Not convinced Ino would accept that trade.
A seal supply can be cut off, a jutsu can't be un-taught [angry Pantsaa noises], and Resolve-boosting is specifically something that would make it easier for the Gouketsu to defend against Yamanaka.
A seal supply can be cut off, a jutsu can't be un-taught [angry Pantsaa noises], and Resolve-boosting is specifically something that would make it easier for the Gouketsu to defend against Yamanaka.
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In the ideal world, every Leaf nin shares all of their techniques with every other Leaf nin - there's sufficient trust.
Real talk: what does keeping Goo Bombs secret get us? In the world where we simply open-source our secret seals (the relatively harmless ones like Goo Bombs and Banshees) the net effect is that we've lost a bargaining chip if we ever need to trade for something and Leaf is stronger - this might bite us if we ever need to defect from Leaf.
Ino is our girlfriend. This means that we can trust her. So, let's do that, but let's not be stupid. Let's sit down in a room with her and say that we want to make the deal, but we need something in return, but we aren't sure what to ask for, so, help us out?
Personally, I'd like to make a good trade. We'll teach the best Yamanaka sealmaster Goo Bombs in exchange for something. A supply of Goo Bombs both presses on our time and is hard to trade for.
I think that swapping Yamanaka genjutsu training for Mari (if Mari wants it) would be pretty good.
Either that, or we just ask what she's offering and take whatever.
Real talk: what does keeping Goo Bombs secret get us? In the world where we simply open-source our secret seals (the relatively harmless ones like Goo Bombs and Banshees) the net effect is that we've lost a bargaining chip if we ever need to trade for something and Leaf is stronger - this might bite us if we ever need to defect from Leaf.
Ino is our girlfriend. This means that we can trust her. So, let's do that, but let's not be stupid. Let's sit down in a room with her and say that we want to make the deal, but we need something in return, but we aren't sure what to ask for, so, help us out?
Personally, I'd like to make a good trade. We'll teach the best Yamanaka sealmaster Goo Bombs in exchange for something. A supply of Goo Bombs both presses on our time and is hard to trade for.
I think that swapping Yamanaka genjutsu training for Mari (if Mari wants it) would be pretty good.
Either that, or we just ask what she's offering and take whatever.
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Taking the time to supply Yamanaka with Goo Bombs is something that isn't a threat to us, but it does represent a time commitment that we have to make that could be spent on necromancy or Dragonwar.
So if we are going to spend time for Ino, we should be trading it for stuff that frees us up equally.
So if we are going to spend time for Ino, we should be trading it for stuff that frees us up equally.
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Give Ino the deets on a Scroll location, and tell her to have the Yamanaka fund a mission to retrieve that shit ASAP so she can help out on the 7th Path (she is a social spec after all.)
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Mari is an eJonin.
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Not until we've secured scrolls for (at least) Mari and Akane. I don't know that Yuno would do well with one, but maybe her too.
Akane could really have used a Scroll... before she died.
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wat
yet we dont send anyone to retrieve them 😔
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Just send Hazō and Mari to the eastern continent and we can have her a scroll in two weeks
Do you have a proposal for a mission that doesn't require Hazō?
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Uh I'm not contesting that Mari is an ejonin i just dont understand what it had to do with what i said
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Oh sorry I was trying to make the point that Mari is a social-spec Elite Jonin and would be able to prod the Conclave along more effectively than Ino.
Ino's got access to all those secret, sexy resolve jutsus that may or may not exist though...
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Kraken has a pretty good lead, narrowed down to a town for its last-seen location, we'd just need an infiltrator to get info/history and track it down. Only issue is its in Lightning Country, and AMITY yadda yadda. It would probably be better that Hazou doesn't attend that one. Probably the strongest option imo.
The Otter Scroll is similarly in an AMITY country with a decent lead, though that one seems like a Jashin quest so Hazou should probably go imo.
The Squirrel Scroll seems obscured enough and without much for a foreign infiltrator to go on that it would benefit from Hazou's presence.
Kangaroos are apparently about to get back to us so no comment there.
The Rat Scroll is evidently on Crimson State Island, last seen in the possession of the Crimson Sunrise Clan a long time ago. There's also a Dungeon on Crimson State Island literally called the Forbidden Dungeon and it would be our luck for the Scroll to be in there, so that seems less up Mari's alley (though maybe still within her abilities as an EJonin+. Genjutsu doesnt work as well on beasts unfortunately so she'd definitely need backup.)
Capybaras... there was a trade deal a while ago but still no Capy summoner. I'm assuming someone bought it and can't use it. If a village bought it idk how she'd get to it, but if it's just sitting in the hands of some Tea clan she might manage it.
Well yeah, in the most ideal of scenarios we get Mari, Ino, Ami, and Kurenai there to kick everyone's social nuts and have Scrolls to spare.