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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Yes. I get that. But.... Why?
I mean she was fine the first hundred chapters but now she is.... everywhere. Our boy was and still is under scrutiny for doing a fraction of the things she did as far as politics go. Things that would have others dead tortured or ignored. And everyone is just... Dazzled by how awesome she is or says something like "oooh she would be stopped but she is usefull/nessesary" and it s just one thing after an other.
 
kyriakospoimenas said:
Yes. I get that. But.... Why?
I mean she was fine the first hundred chapters but now she is.... everywhere. Our boy was and still is under scrutiny for doing a fraction of the things she did as far as politics go. Things that would have others dead tortured or ignored. And everyone is just... Dazzled by how awesome she is or says something like "oooh she would be stopped but she is usefull/nessesary" and it s just one thing after an other.
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Broadly speaking, it's not that people are upset at Hazou's actions it's that he politicked poorly to do them and said things poorly along the way.

Looking at Hazou's reveal about the Dragons to the Council paired with Ami's reveal about AMITY immediately before shows that they can both work at a comparable level, Hazou just politicked that one a lot better than he usually does.

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Interlude: Minato's Poetry, Part 3
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    • And here, O Reader, be the next part of my commission from @Twinnstars to write the famously bad poetry of Namikaze Minato.


    The Righteous Seventh Chronicle

    Reflect, O Reader
    On the mighty thoughts of yesteryear
    When the Second, brilliant yet mayhap unwise
    Spun forth his image as co-equal its creator to
    And leapt lightly there from here with not space between
    These his marks left upon the world
    Perhaps to good they could turn, left far from war's grasping claw
    Yet naught the world grants as free and fair
    And thus we scheme and ponder, turn and turn again
    On ways to slaughter, these tools to hand, twenty, thirty, lives at once
    No hand so mighty to cry forth "Stop!", yet perhaps degrees by degrees may we cool
    The fevered, wrathful brow of war's sharp glance, turn its gaze widdershins and away.



    The Righteous Eighth Chronicle

    Invert, I wish I could
    The direction of history's mighty flood
    Its hands of blood and war
    The Sage's gift, chakra, turned to slaughter
    Battles fought at every localization and time.



    Cloud Dancing

    I went a'wander, wending wide my steps
    Floating place to place ahead a high cloud's shade
    Always to the sun I shift, but yet that teasing dancer blows close again
    Caressing me, its shadowy cooling fingers all a'taunt
    And yet again I shift, a'grumble and aggrieved
    Seeking always but to have
    Twenty Sagedamned minutes in the sun for a comfy nap
    IS THAT REALLY SO MUCH TO ASK?!?!
     
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    • Not so reassuring that the instructions for containing a sealed horror are in-between frequent reminders that he resented himself and everyone else (save one). Oh well, we'll get the Yamanaka on inventing therapy once we've successfuly cracked resurrection, assuming, you know, that we don't die because of the dragons, because of the sealing, or because a depressed and hurt person was the one to make the seal
     
    kyriakospoimenas said:
    I have been reading this thing for 6 years. Never posted . Never made an account. I love what you crazy people created here. But so you know, there is man out there, in the other side of the world who will perform lobotomy to himself with a rusted spoon if he sees the name ami mori again.
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    Welcome to the Hivemind! Down this hallway you'll find the anti-Ami protocols.

    "Scream a lot, and hope Kei saves our asses before Ami decides to destroy us all."

    Moving on, in this room we have our anti-Lupchanzen protocol.

    "More screaming. Make sure it's good and loud."

    "Who knows? Maybe you'll burst the lupchanz's eardrums."

    And here we have our pride and joy, the room filled with the weaponry necessary to fight off all potential threats, from sudden lupchanz attacks to Hidan returning.

    An industrial set of Faflec-grade lungs, good for 10,000,000,000 decibels of screaming.

    We hope you enjoy your stay.
     
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    kyriakospoimenas said:
    Yes. I get that. But.... Why?
    I mean she was fine the first hundred chapters but now she is.... everywhere. Our boy was and still is under scrutiny for doing a fraction of the things she did as far as politics go. Things that would have others dead tortured or ignored. And everyone is just... Dazzled by how awesome she is or says something like "oooh she would be stopped but she is usefull/nessesary" and it s just one thing after an other.
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    That's it though, isn't it? She's a social spec with a powerful Advanced Bloodline Bloodline Limit (Advanced Bloodline makes more sense damn it), is even more of a headache to be against than on the same side of, constantly comes up with massively beneficial plans, etc. Jōnin are hard to really want to get rid of, but such a specimen comes with more dead person's switches if dead and more perks if kept alive than any reasonable mind (or, probably, unreasonable mind as well) can keep track of save being in the centre of them. It's a balance of having everyone's hands tied and having them not want to untie them, and she narratively represents something great to the story's diversity - a kind of heavy hitter that brings mostly narrative consequences, good or bad, as opposed to instant game overs like the Hokage Of The Month or Snuncle, within reach in certain regards and far out of our league in others...
     
    ProperAttorney said:
    If Akane is fighting alongside 3 Shadow Clones vs Bad Ninja and Akane activates the Strobelight seal, what happens? Do all shadow clones and Bad Ninja get the aspect "Blinding Flash"? Just Bad Ninja? Does Akane herself get that aspect?
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    It places an instantaneous Aspect on the scene. Anyone who knows it's coming can invoke it and the person who caused it (i.e. the one who triggered the seal) gets a tag.
     
    kyriakospoimenas said:
    Yes. I get that. But.... Why?
    I mean she was fine the first hundred chapters but now she is.... everywhere. Our boy was and still is under scrutiny for doing a fraction of the things she did as far as politics go. Things that would have others dead tortured or ignored. And everyone is just... Dazzled by how awesome she is or says something like "oooh she would be stopped but she is usefull/nessesary" and it s just one thing after an other.
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    Ami is, indeed, extremely annoying.

    On a related topic, remember when the hivemind insisted on cutting her into FOOM, and iirc it might have been me who barely managed to inject "modulo some reasonable conditions" into the offer, and then later on Ami became a leaf nin and people were lamenting the decision to offer to cut her in?

    I had some thoughts on that that may help.

    "My conditions include the following:
    • I'm able to consistently play on your social level, as judged by Mari.
    • I can trust you to be non-misaligned [in the AI sense] with this power, with Mari judging that you haven't manipulated me into said trust.
    "You might say 'whoa whoa what the fuck?!', but recall that I said 'reasonable' conditions, not easy ones, and I find it entirely reasonable to not give you the keys to massively expanding your power (at a rate that would currently be faster than me) before I can keep up with you and also expect you to not cause massive problems with it.

    "You might also be saying 'but Hazou, I own you'. Bluntly, Ami? No you don't. I might choose to reciprocate and reward genuine altruism, but you went out of your way to convince me that saving my life was purely a compliance technique (which I have now precomitted to believing no matter how you try to convince me otherwise), and I, A) feel no compulsion to respect and repay things like that, and B) didn't voluntarily enter into a contract with you for the price of my life. So buzz off with that.

    "Feel free to help me reach your level of social competence, but it's against your interests to be untrustworthy and dislikable in the process."
     
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    We've already made a deal with Ami regarding FOOM: she joins Leaf, we give it to her.

    Welp, she's joined Leaf.

    Something tells me that going "actually, nevermind, I have more conditions I want you to fulfill" won't go over well.
     
    RandomOTP said:
    We've already made a deal with Ami regarding FOOM: she joins Leaf, we give it to her.

    Welp, she's joined Leaf.

    Something tells me that going "actually, nevermind, I have more conditions I want you to fulfill" won't go over well.
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    No we didn't:
    Velorien said:
    "SoaboutthismasterplanIwantedtotalktoyouaboutAmiItisanexcellentplanguaranteedtovastlyboostthepowerofeveryoneinvolvedwhichmaysoundlikeanexaggeration butIhavetalkedtoKeikoaboutit andshethinksitshouldwork andIcan'texactly tellyou about it for treason reasons, but I'm happy to keep you posted as appropriate. The key point is this." He took a deep breath. "If you can become a Leaf ninja, you'll be eligible to take part, assuming you accept some reasonable conditions we can get into nearer the time."
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    Emphasis mine.
     
    RandomOTP said:
    Ah, nice. Thanks for the clarification, that makes it easier! Might be worth sanity checking the conditions through Mari and Kei both, to gauge what Ami would be more likely to agree to.
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    Her agreeing or not to the conditions is irrelevant. If she doesn't fulfil them we don't cut her in. Hazou's training optimisation is needed for FOOM to work, so if she doesn't like it she can pound sand.
     
    FaintlySorcerous said:
    Getting SC for two Goketsu seems significantly harder than getting it for just one. Is there a reason we want Kagome to have SC, given that he likely won't FOOM/we won't get his sheet?
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    Kagome should get it so he can safely study the Great Seal, the Dragons are way more agressive now than they were in the past and Kagome doesn't have an Earth element to swim around like Hazou.

    I honestly hope Kagome can actually help, or else Asuma will be annoyed.
     
    MadScientist said:
    Ami is, indeed, extremely annoying.
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    If Only You Knew How Bad Things Really Are:

    Velorien said:
    "Don't get me wrong," Ami finally said in a distinctly casual voice, "it's against my religion, which I guess is the Will of Fire now, to do anything with just one purpose. I'm hitting the point of diminishing returns here in Leaf, and that means I need free access to the other villages. I don't think I'd get a warm welcome in Rock after what we're about to do to them, and I don't have enough lives to mess around in Cloud just yet, but Sand is looking deliciously unstable, and the minors are just a toy chest of possibilities. It's going to take time for 'we promise not to butcher each other at the first opportunity' to turn into anything as convenient as freedom of travel, much less the basic openness I need to operate, but not expecting to die in a pointless battle at any moment means I actually have that time.
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    MadScientist said:
    Her agreeing or not to the conditions is irrelevant. If she doesn't fulfil them we don't cut her in. Hazou's training optimisation is needed for FOOM to work, so if she doesn't like it she can pound sand.
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    Sounds like a rather antagonistic approach to take, and one quite outside of Hazou-pilot's feelings regarding and interpersonal dynamics with Ami. The tone you seem to be suggesting would be more suited for the Hagoromo, rather than Ami.

    I'm okay with Hazou receiving social spec training from Ami (though we may also want to ask Mari for tips to maximize gains), but there are better approaches than "do this or go pound sand."

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    Although, now that I type this out, I wonder how that might interact with Hazou's pyramids. His build is already wonky, can we really afford to dump a mountain of XP on socials and rework his pyramid so that he can stand on equal footing to a social spec jonin? We need to level up Earthshaping, Calligraphy, Resolve, Sealing (though that is somewhat mitigated by Orochimaru's Notes), and whatever else.

    I'm more than happy to support boosting Hazou's socials, and maybe even getting a Stunt or two that boosts them even more (later, after we investigate the rift and the ritual seals), but trying to get Hazou to stand on equal ground to a social spec jonin? I foresee that requiring more XP than I'm comfortable investing. Hazou's not a social spec.
     
    RandomOTP said:
    Sounds like a rather antagonistic approach to take, and one quite outside of Hazou-pilot's feelings regarding and interpersonal dynamics with Ami. The tone you seem to be suggesting would be more suited for the Hagoromo, rather than Ami.

    I'm okay with Hazou receiving social spec training from Ami (though we may also want to ask Mari for tips to maximize gains), but there are better approaches than "do this or go pound sand."

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    Although, now that I type this out, I wonder how that might interact with Hazou's pyramids. His build is already wonky, can we really afford to dump a mountain of XP on socials and rework his pyramid so that he can stand on equal footing to a social spec jonin? We need to level up Earthshaping, Calligraphy, Resolve, Sealing (though that is somewhat mitigated by Orochimaru's Notes), and whatever else.

    I'm more than happy to support boosting Hazou's socials, and maybe even getting a Stunt or two that boosts them even more (later, after we investigate the rift and the ritual seals), but trying to get Hazou to stand on equal ground to a social spec jonin? I foresee that requiring more XP than I'm comfortable investing. Hazou's not a social spec.
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    Don't you see?

    This is exactly the kind of thinking that allows Ami to walk all over Hazou.

    She is not entitled to FOOM.

    We are, very generously, giving her godhood on a silver platter, for free. And we told her at the time that there would be reasonable conditions.

    It is not unreasonable to not want to unleash a goddess who will turn around and be a menace.

    And if she says "yeah cool but I want to so I don't agree" then we don't bend over backwards to find something she will agree to, we draw a line in the sand.

    You don't tell Kagome that he's being hostile if he puts his foot down about not slaving away in a sealing workshop.

    Please stand up to her.
     
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