We actually have already solved this problem in a way that does not require giving up one of our major trump cards. Since Leaf has a large numbers of summoners and Noburi we can just deploy a huge number of summons equipped with seal tech to clear any land. This reveals no new secrets but at the same time makes Leaf more dependent on our faction. Since 5 of the 10 summoners are directly in our faction (Hazou, Kagome, Noburi, Kei and KEI) we also have Minami as a soft ally. 3 other summoners are Sannin or Asuma so can't be deployed. The opposing faction only has one in Neji.

If we can make that work, it'd be way preferable. (Except for the awesome factor, but we can keep that scene for something more dramatic than clearing trees, you know)

Whatever method we choose, my primary concern with this proposal is that we somehow have a way to efficiently clear Leaf's dangerous but fertile forests. (And profit Goketsu) If seals, summons, or whatever else work better, I'm perfectly happy to go with it.

Thank you for your feedback!
 
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2. Brief idea
Usamatsu's Life-Saver ("Air Cleaner" from now on) can filter out particulates suspended in air - poison, for example. In addition, it only expels what is precisely needed to produce "airlike gas", according to the seal doc. Water vapor is not necessary for an "airlike gas", and the seal can filter out air-suspended particulates already.
The Air Cleaner seal is a 100% efficiency atmospheric water reclaimer.
Water vapor is part of air the same way oxygen, nitrogen, argon, carbon dioxide etc are. Air is a mixture. The "air-like gas" probably has water vapor in it. That's problem number one.
If the 'repeated rapid bursts of absorbing all gas' exhausts the cone once, say, every 5 seconds, one seal can store 2.01 cubic meters of water per day. To irrigate one acre of land at a depth of 3.5 feet over one growing season (I take it as 50 days for a comparable climate), we would need 43 of these seals. But not all crops require 3.5 feet. And we have Fertility Jutsu. If we reduce the depth to 1 foot, we need 12 seals. If the seals 'rapidly activate' at a faster rate, the necessary number of seals go down even more, down to ~2 seals per 1 acre at 1 activation per second. So a single sealmaster can irrigate (even at more conservative estimates), well, a lot of land. A lot. (my research/calc muscles are tired...)
There is no way in hell the UGLSP seals can store 2010 kgs of water. 100 kg max, that's how storage seals work. I'm not even sure there's a way to reach the space it's stored into, even by destroying the seal.
Would Sand becoming stronger and being deeply grateful to the Leaf/Goketsu be a problem? Would someone dislike us having Sand in our corner specifically from the start of this project? Maybe.
Sand isn't actually going to be grateful about this in the sense that they will stop being shit heads if they get the chance. I'm confident that having other countries be weaker is to the benefit of the players right now. We are not yet in the postgame when the threats to the new world order are dead.
Finally, Hazou can draw a seal in five minutes or something (correct me if I am wrong), which means ten minutes of his labor can feed 6-8 people for a year according to the example I gave in the write-up.
Sealing time estimates are way off here assuming regular storage seal limits apply (which people have been trying to increase forever and failed). It's something like 200 minutes of his labor can provide an acre of farmland with water. That's way too much time to be worth it.

Investing in someone THing an irrigation jutsu might be a good idea though. Maybe something to bring to Mari, since that's more of MARIs deal.

8. Are there any jutsu modifications necessary for this project?
I don't think so. Just stack EM. (calculations pending)
EM isn't stackable
Known Jutsu said:
EM cannot be used on an area where a prior instance is in effect. EM cannot be used on an area where EM has expired but the temperature has not yet re-stabilized.
However, just get it into the mid-forties and it'll be sufficient
Notes: I can't find details on the EM nuke ideas. Any help is appreciated, because I've already looked too closely into the abyss that is irrigation and farming logistics for Hazou's SSS, and I dread going into the halls of weaponized meteorology now.
EM nukes work like this. You cast EM such that air gets cold enough to liquify. Once that happens you get a couple of interesting effects
1) The entire Zone rains down liquified air (mostly liquid nitrogen) into whatever it was cast over. In the mid-forties this jutsu lasts for 8ish hours
2) The vapor pressure of the affected Zone drops to basically zero. This creates winds of the kind usually seen on Jupiter. Regular tornados form over spots of low pressure of about 900 millibar. The effected zone would be at 100 millibar or less. I've been calling this effect the hypertornado. The hypertornado wouldn't last the entire jutsu duration since the system would eventually reach a steady state. But there'd be some real serious damage first.

Also using EM to clear land is crazy. It's a superweapon. We don't even want Asuma to know about it because he might pressure Akane to use it. Asuma is a pretty nice guy. Trusting anyone with this is crazy.
 
Water vapor is part of air the same way oxygen, nitrogen, argon, carbon dioxide etc are. Air is a mixture. The "air-like gas" probably has water vapor in it. That's problem number one.

There is no way in hell the UGLSP seals can store 2010 kgs of water. 100 kg max, that's how storage seals work. I'm not even sure there's a way to reach the space it's stored into, even by destroying the seal.

Sand isn't actually going to be grateful about this in the sense that they will stop being shit heads if they get the chance. I'm confident that having other countries be weaker is to the benefit of the players right now. We are not yet in the postgame when the threats to the new world order are dead.

Sealing time estimates are way off here assuming regular storage seal limits apply (which people have been trying to increase forever and failed). It's something like 200 minutes of his labor can provide an acre of farmland with water. That's way too much time to be worth it.

Investing in someone THing an irrigation jutsu might be a good idea though. Maybe something to bring to Mari, since that's more of MARIs deal.


EM isn't stackable

However, just get it into the mid-forties and it'll be sufficient

EM nukes work like this. You cast EM such that air gets cold enough to liquify. Once that happens you get a couple of interesting effects
1) The entire Zone rains down liquified air (mostly liquid nitrogen) into whatever it was cast over. In the mid-forties this jutsu lasts for 8ish hours
2) The vapor pressure of the affected Zone drops to basically zero. This creates winds of the kind usually seen on Jupiter. Regular tornados form over spots of low pressure of about 900 millibar. The effected zone would be at 100 millibar or less. I've been calling this effect the hypertornado. The hypertornado wouldn't last the entire jutsu duration since the system would eventually reach a steady state. But there'd be some real serious damage first.

Also using EM to clear land is crazy. It's a superweapon. We don't even want Asuma to know about it because he might pressure Akane to use it. Asuma is a pretty nice guy. Trusting anyone with this is crazy.

Wow, thanks for the feedback!

1. The seal doc says:
"Anything not needed to produce the airlike gas (e.g. poison) remains trapped in the space."
Water vapor isn't necessary to produce airlike gas.

2. Usamatsu died by accessing that space, according to Jiraiya.

3. Storage seals have additional requirements like keeping relative orientation, structural integrity, and other properties of the stored object. In any reasonable world, these require additional effort to achieve. Usamatsu does not have any of these storage requirements. Thus to draw a direct corollary between SS and Usamatsu storage is therefore wrong. It is especially wrong to assume so when we can test for it effortlessly.
More importantly, my proposal accounts for possible capacity limitations, and even has tests/solutions for them. A continuous second channel like the first or periodic storage dumping, for example, make capacity constraints meaningless.

4. Therefore calculating sealing time estimates based on SS capacity is not indicative of anything except the most naive application of an Usamatsu-like seal where we presume the corollary.

5. If, as it seems probable, we make this with a modified seal, it is more likely that Sand's growth is reliant on whatever service we arrange for them. In addition, when we have clear enemies, ignoring our allies because they might become shitheads is shortsighted. If Nagi hadn't demolished Sand, we would have had more options against Rock, for example.

6. Yeah, the irrigation stuff sounds like MARI's thing more and more.


On Akane's DDD / EMN
1. I didn't have this kind of succinct and precise information about EMN. Thank you!

2. I am not particularly invested in using EMN to clear Fire. If we can find an easier, more efficient, less risky etc. way, I'd be all for it. My primary concern is that we do clear sufficient tracts of land somehow, and EMN is the most immediate / easy example method we have to show the value therein.

Thanks for the feedback!
 
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1. The seal doc says:
"Anything not needed to produce the airlike gas (e.g. poison) remains trapped in the space."
Water vapor isn't necessary to produce airlike gas.
This is not really an arguable point, it depends on the definition of "airlike" in my opinion "airlike" means that it is sufficiently similar to actual air that it includes water vapor. But you could easily be outputting exactly 78% nitrogen 22% oxygen and call that "airlike" instead.
2. Usamatsu died by accessing that space, according to Jiraiya.
Link to post? I couldn't find information in the Known Seals doc on that storage space.
3. Storage seals have additional requirements like keeping relative orientation, structural integrity, and other properties of the stored object. In any reasonable world, these require additional effort to achieve. Usamatsu does not have any of these storage requirements. Thus to draw a direct corollary between SS and Usamatsu storage is therefore wrong. It is especially wrong to assume so when we can test for it effortlessly.
More importantly, my proposal accounts for possible capacity limitations, and even has tests/solutions for them. A continuous second channel like the first or periodic storage dumping, for example, make capacity constraints meaningless.
Perhaps it's wrong to claim you can't do better than 100 kg. But I see no world where you could get a 20x increase by making those modifications. In fact, I believe it's been said that storage seals occupy an "island of stability" in sealspace and no-one really knows why. They should be much harder to research than they are for what they do.
5. If, as it seems probable, we make this with a modified seal, it is more likely that Sand's growth is reliant on whatever service we arrange for them. In addition, when we have clear enemies, ignoring our allies because they might become shitheads is shortsighted. If Nagi hadn't demolished Sand, we would have had more options against Rock, for example.
Ah I missed that you planned on modifying the seal as it stands. Yeah these are probably doable constraints for a modified seal. But like, why not skip the middleman and design a seal that outputs 100 m^3 of water? That would probably be way easier than hacking something together out of UGLSP. So much water should (probably) be pretty easy to do, since many many Water jutsu do very similar things. It's something chakra is good at doing.

Also our sealing backlog is ridiculous, if you want to start working on irrigation projects. I think the best thing would be to have MARI pay a jutsu hacker to design a Water jutsu that does it.
 
Water vapor is part of air the same way oxygen, nitrogen, argon, carbon dioxide etc are. Air is a mixture. The "air-like gas" probably has water vapor in it. That's problem number one.
I vaguely recall something about Utsmatsu having to test many configurations of the Air Purifier seal before he got one that actually output breathable air. I think it's likely a whitelist filter which only allows certain thing through, such as Nitrogen and Oxygen. It's possible that additional gasses are allowed through, but those are the only two that are necessary for the current seal that we have. It also seems possible that we could change the whitelist to only include water vapor, though that may take quite a bit of testing.
EM nukes work like this. You cast EM such that air gets cold enough to liquify. Once that happens you get a couple of interesting effects
1) The entire Zone rains down liquified air (mostly liquid nitrogen) into whatever it was cast over. In the mid-forties this jutsu lasts for 8ish hours
2) The vapor pressure of the affected Zone drops to basically zero. This creates winds of the kind usually seen on Jupiter. Regular tornados form over spots of low pressure of about 900 millibar. The effected zone would be at 100 millibar or less. I've been calling this effect the hypertornado. The hypertornado wouldn't last the entire jutsu duration since the system would eventually reach a steady state. But there'd be some real serious damage first.
I wrote about this last night on the Discord. I'll paste below.
ProperAttorney on Discord said:
Generally, matter won't cool down lower than its boiling point without changing phase into a liquid. Yes there are certain conditions in which this happen, open atmosphere is not one of these.

I believe that the nitrogen gas in the EM zone will rapidly cool down to its boiling point and undergo a phase change to liquid nitrogen, at almost exactly the boiling temperature. This is because EM is unable to affect liquids or solids, which means that as soon as the phase changes, EM is unable to cool it further.

This means that A) the pressure inside the EM zone will drop to a very low amount as nitrogen is something like 70% of air. Which will B) cause the surrounding air to rush in at high velocity, which will C) spray the liquid nitrogen in all directions at rapid velocity, at which point it will almost instantaneously boil as the ambient temperature provides enough energy for the phase change to occur.

There is no way in hell the UGLSP seals can store 2010 kgs of water. 100 kg max, that's how storage seals work. I'm not even sure there's a way to reach the space it's stored into, even by destroying the seal.
assuming regular storage seal limits apply (which people have been trying to increase forever and failed).
We've been told that the current storage seal is at an island of stability that makes it easy to make, but that if you decrease some factors (times it can be activated, stress on material, speed to activate, etc), that you could increase others, such as maximum mass stored.
 
Chapter 518: The Anatomy of Success

While there was no doubt in anyone's mind that Tsunade was the primary reason for Leaf's leadership in the medical world, few were as aware that the Nara were the second: a traditional master-apprentice system could never have supported the scale of something like Leaf General Hospital, but with the ready availability of affordable medical texts, a trainee could make valuable progress in their discipline without having to constantly tie up experts in instruction time. For this reason, there was nothing strange about seeing Noburi lounging around at home with an intimidating-looking book on plague spirits, or the four kinds of miasma, or the medicinal herbs of the Fire Country and which chakra beasts tended to eat people gathering each one.

Today's item of Noburi's choice, however, was not a book. It was, at minimum, a tome. Hazō was tempted to even go as far as "grimoire". The humongous black volume, creaking at the seams in defiance of Leaf's best binding techniques (which, according to Kagome-sensei, were cutting-edge and practically art), seemed like it should contain the kind of forbidden lore that would get you executed by Kei just for being in the same building.

"Enjoying a little leisure reading?" Hazō asked, approaching the dining room table where Noburi had spread his tome, presumably because the desk in his room wouldn't be able to take the weight.

"Something like that," Noburi said, looking up from an eerie diagram of a man with four arms, four legs, and a singularly fed-up expression. "Dr Yakushi lent me his personal copy of Hyūga Kōzō's Anatomical Manuscript A. They call the guy the second greatest doctor in the world, and you can see why."

Noburi leafed through the tome to find an example for Hazō, stopping on a magnificently detailed, stomach-churningly grotesque diagram of an eyeball melting over a low heat, its various humours captured in the act of leaking out through the pupil.

"It's not like we don't get Hyūga medics," Noburi said cheerfully, "and quite a few others are fine with the occasional paid consultation, but Lord Kōzō practically made it his life's work to catalogue the details of the human body in every state of injury and disease. It's really a shame what happened to him."

"Why?" Hazō asked. "What happened to him?"

"Apparently, when they raided Orochimaru's compound, they found out where Lord Kōzō had been getting his human bodies in every state of injury and disease. He was the first ever council clan head to be executed."

"Wait," Hazō said. "They executed a clan head? The Hyūga clan head? You're kidding, right?"

"That's what Dr Yakushi says," Noburi said. "But I'm pretty sure there are some deep waters there that the likes of you and me will never plumb. Like, it was Lord Kōzō's successor that started the Minami purge, not long after, and you know how the Hokage was weirdly slow to shut the whole thing down given it was practically a mini-clan war. But then again, if you start thinking that he did it to appease the Hyūga after executing their clan head, why did he not only recognise the Minami as a clan but start giving out privacy seals like candy practically the next day?"

He shrugged. "This is why I leave politics to my humble second-in-command while I focus on the important stuff. Tsunade and the Nara managed to convince the Third not to have all the copies of Anatomical Manuscript A burned, if only barely, and that's good enough for me."

"Well," Hazō said. "I guess you learn something new every day."

"You should crack open a book sometime yourself," Noburi said, fondly tapping the weird black blob oozing out from the back of the eyeball. Hazō shuddered.

"Your humble second-in-command only wishes he had the time," Hazō said. "But forget that. I've had some more thoughts on the thing we were talking about the other day."

Noburi gave an exaggerated sigh. "I told you, Hazō, those are just old wives' tales. Besides, if you've got multiple shadow clones and you're still disappointing girls that badly, I'm pretty sure your problem isn't your stamina."

"Very funny," Hazō said. "I was actually talking about your girl problems."

"I have no idea what you're talking about," Noburi said, raising his voice slightly. "I have no girl problems because I am in a happy and fully satisfying monogamous relationship." He glanced warily through the door into the atrium, then closed it firmly and retreated to his tome. "Seriously, Hazō, do you want to get me killed?"

"I am unable to answer that question for OPSEC reasons," Hazō said. "But after I thought about your situation for a bit, I remembered something Mari once said back when Jiraiya was alive and I asked her why there was a toy chicken with a pulley in the middle hanging from their bedroom ceiling. She told me, 'Familiarity is the poison that kills relationships'."

"I did not need to know that."

"See," Hazō said, "I think you do. Because before I could escape, she grabbed me by the collar and elaborated. And what I got out of that, minus a variety of suggestions that would make Akane's head explode, was that one of the best ways to avoid having to murder your partner for cheating on you is to keep things fresh and exciting, just as if it was still the early days of your relationship. Now, in your case it's more about avoiding being murdered, but it seems like the basic principle should still apply."

Noburi closed the tome.

"So are you saying we should copy the early days of our relationship where she was busy being my tour guide to a freaky alien world and humiliatingly overpowered training partner while our diabolical bosses plotted to use us as political tools? Or the days where I was trying to navigate a crazy sealmaster's dream of an emotional minefield while busy fighting with Hyūga for her favour—even now, I can't believe those words are coming out of my mouth—while our diabolical bosses plotted to use us as political tools?"

"…all right, maybe not the early days of your relationship," Hazō admitted. "But you must have a whole bunch of ideas for what you'd want to do with these hypothetical girls you wish you'd had a chance to date. Why not use them on Yuno?"

Noburi frowned. "But… we're married. You were there. Isn't this the part where people settle down and start acting like mature adults and talking about redecorating the kitchen and whatever?"

"I'm pretty sure you'll redecorate our kitchen over Kagome-sensei's dead body," Hazō said. "But it's odd to think of the Noburi I know and may or may not want to get killed bowing to social convention like that. If you want to take Yuno on dates, and give her surprise gifts, and write her terrible love poetry and so on, who's going to stop you? I bet you she'd love for you to simply court her like a single young woman you're in love with, the way nobody ever did."

"Excuse me," Noburi said peevishly, "my love poetry would be amazing."

"Oh, really?" Hazō asked. "I just bet you that Isanese love poetry has a 3-17-12-1 pattern, you only rhyme words with two or more vowels, and you have to mention a different kind of fish every third line."

"…I'll stick with the surprise gifts."

Hazō gave a sagely nod.

"I also had another thought, going off the back of my idea about couples' advice."

"Go on," Noburi said warily.

"You remember how, after the Great Collapse, we made a point of going around and getting people to share their grief with each other?"

Noburi nodded.

"Suppose we got people to do that all the time?"

"You want people to constantly talk about things that make them miserable?" Noburi asked. "Now, I'm not the world's greatest expert on making people feel better, but that sounds like a fantastic way to send morale through the floor."

"Nonono," Hazō said. "Suppose we gathered a bunch of wise old people, and others who are good at listening, like bartenders and such, and got them to do it professionally, with salaries and dedicated offices or whatever else they need? That way, the Gōketsu would always have someone who could listen to their problems and give good advice, and by systematising it, you could also get the experts to swap tips and generally raise their skill level. You know the Gōketsu policy is to communicate as much as possible, but there's so much that's hard to talk to family or close friends about."

Noburi's face, darkened by contemplation of Isanese poetry, lit up like he'd heard Neji tripped and fell in a latrine pit in full view of the Leaf Chūnin Girls.

"Hazō… that's brilliant. It's an amazing idea. In fact, it's an amazing idea with no obvious ways it can go horribly wrong, which is clear evidence you've been lupchanzed."

"Fear not, Noburi," Hazō grumbled. "We are only capable of targeting people with brains to consume."

"Oh, I'm not worried," Noburi said. "If this is what we can expect from a lupchanzed Hazō, then I, for one, welcome our new half-plant, half-animal overlords. Keep him as long as you like.

"More seriously, this solves a problem Akane and I have been struggling with since forever."

"What's that?"

"So you know how the Gōketsu civilian population is seriously top-heavy?" Noburi asked.

"Right," Hazō said. "Because many of the able-bodied adults moved out again once they had enough money for a place to live that wasn't an improvised shelter outside the safety of the village walls, while old people who had nowhere to go generally stuck around."

"And the thing with old civilians is…" Noburi began. "OK, do you know Hariko, the old woman with the mindmelting yellow lingerie on her laundry lines?"

"Is that who that stuff belongs to?" Hazō asked. "I half-wondered if it was Mari showing off to the civilians."

"I've had to sit through Hariko's life story at least three times now during my rounds," Noburi said, "and it made me think about a bunch of stuff I hadn't considered before, so I've decided I'm going to share the pain.

"See, Hariko grew up as a subsistence farmer in one of those no-name villages up north. One year, there was a chakra bloatworm infestation that took out one of the fields right before harvest-time, and the tax collector was in a bad mood when he was passing through, and in the end, they didn't have enough left for everyone to last the winter. So there Hariko's family was, slowly starving to death, and then one morning, Hariko woke up and her elderly mother was gone. Just like that, nothing but a series of footprints through the snow into the chakra-beast-filled forest. Because apparently, that's what you do in a farming village when times are tough and you're just an extra mouth to feed. You go into the forest, and your family isn't forced to make choices they'll have to live with forever in order to make sure as many people as possible make it through the winter.

"As it happens, Hariko got lucky not long after that. A clanless ninja passing through decided to take her back to Leaf as his mistress. Not that she had a choice or anything, but on the other hand, living in Leaf, and under a ninja's protection at that, is a better fate than most peasants in the world can hope for.

"Buuut… leap forward a couple of years and the natural order of everything sucking reasserts itself. The ninja dies on a mission, and his family obviously aren't going to let a filthy civilian keep the home, so there she is, out on the street with no money and no marketable skills, and nothing going for her except the gorgeous body that got her into this mess in the first place. Still, Hariko is a survivor who has Seen Some Shit just by virtue of being a peasant girl, so she works with what she's got, and eventually manages to make ends meet by working as a seamstress at a yakuza joint.

"Leap way forward, to last year. Hariko's getting fewer clients as she gets older, and her health is shaky by now, so she's preparing to retire. Then one fine night while she's at work…"

Noburi plunged his hand down, as if throwing something away.

"…our best buddies from Hidden Rock drop her house into the Abyss, or whatever they have here instead of the Abyss, with all her savings still in it because she's a country bumpkin who never got her head around the idea of banks. You know what happens after that—it's the Gōketsu to the rescue, and suddenly instead of starving to death in the gutter, she gets a roof over her head and three meals a day and none of it makes any sense but she's not going to question the miracle in case it goes away. Happy ending, right?"

"Isn't it?"

"Here's the thing," Noburi said. "Out in the villages, if you can't work, then you're just a useless extra mouth to feed. And Hariko's living here now, but she's still got no marketable skills, and also her hands are starting to grow numb, so that cuts off most of her remaining options. The way she sees it, she's a parasite. Then bam! Suddenly, the magical young Lord Gōketsu, who saved her life without asking anything in return, is deep in debt for reasons that she doesn't get, but obviously weren't his fault because he's a saint. And Hariko's still a useless extra mouth to feed. And then she remembers what her mother had the guts to do for the sake of her family…"

Hazō winced. "But she's still around, right?"

Noburi nodded. "She is, sure. Our civilians do look out for each other. But, knowing everything I've just told you, think about what it'd mean for old civilians to have a job that only they can do, without needing new skills that they might feel it's too late to pick up.

"All right," he said. "I'm excited enough about this that I reckon I'll go get the ball rolling. I'm sure Lord Kōzō will forgive me. See you later, Lupchazō!"

"Wait!" Hazō called out as Noburi headed out the door. "Before you go, I had a medicine question for you. Also, don't call me that in case Kagome-sensei gets the wrong idea."

"Spoilsport," Noburi muttered. "So what's the question?"

"When is a dying person beyond saving? Say their heart's stopped. Can you still resuscitate them?"

"Depends," Noburi said. "To dumb it down by a few kilometres for a layman, you die when your soul leaves the body, and the most common reason the soul leaves the body is when it's damaged so the soul doesn't recognise it as a human body anymore. A human body, as far as the soul is concerned, has a beating heart. If your heart stops, the soul doesn't belong there anymore, so it starts to leave. If you're really quick, maybe you can get the heart to start again before it does, and then the soul will figure it's in a human body again and decide to stick around. Otherwise, it's going to go follow the cycle of reincarnation, where eventually it gets drawn to a different type of body based on how it's been shaped by its experiences—but that's eschatology and not really my problem as a medic.

"So there's no 'point where a dying person is beyond saving'. The soul leaves when it leaves, and maybe that's instant, and maybe it'll be a couple of minutes. It depends on the soul, and the type of death, and what you can do about it and how fast. Why, who are you trying to kill for good? If it's Orochimaru, then I reckon you need to back up and figure out if he has a soul to begin with, because the evidence ain't promising."

"Actually," Hazō said, "it's the other way round. I have ideas for seals to suspend people near death, in case we can't save them now but maybe we can save them later."

Noburi frowned. "I don't know if a seal's going to be able to stop the soul from leaving the body. That sounds like, I dunno, a step beyond biosealing and into levels of weirdness even Orochimaru isn't into. On the other hand, I'm not a sealmaster. The stuff you guys do makes no sense to me anyway."

"I'm not sure it makes sense to me either," Hazō confessed after a second. "I tell the fundamental laws underpinning the universe what to do, and they just go, 'Yeah, sure, you got it, boss'. That's more than I get out of my actual subordinates."

"Hey," Noburi said, "maybe if you did a lucky dance of my choice every time you asked me to do something, I'd be an ideal subordinate too. Why not give it a try for a few months, see how it goes?"

Hazō rolled his eyes. "Get out of here, Noburi."

"Yeah, sure, you got it, boss."

-o-​

The rest of the plan is left in @eaglejarl's wicked talons.
 

1. The "airlike" thing is fairly simple. It's about necessity (even if we ignore Usamatsu's motivations and Jiraiya's explanation in prose, not all of which I can remember so I can't reference):
If you take oxygen out of the air, it is no longer "airlike" as far as a human, like Usamatsu, is concerned because you can no longer do the "air thing" of breathing.
If you take the water vapor out of the air, that quality doesn't change.
So, water vapor isn't necessary to create an airlike gas.

2. The post where Jiraiya talks about Usamatsu (and how he died) is the one linked in the seal doc through the seal's title. Sorry, I'm not on a computer atm to make a handy link.

3. I mainly focus on as little modifications and new seals/jutsu as possible, so that we only concern ourselves with as easy/plausible targets as we can. I don't know anything about creating seals or jutsu really, but we can infer a lot of stuff combining the tech we have with reality.

4. If we can create a jutsu like that, I'd be all for it. However, I imagine the QM response might be along the lines of: "this is a longstanding and obvious problem for Sand. If it were possible to solve it like this, by paying a TH, they'd have done so already." Though I stress, I can be wrong about this and I'd prefer simpler solutions anyway.

Again, thank you for your feedback.

Edit: Being ninja'd by an update is a privilege. Praise Jashin.
 
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We really should ask some Dogs what they meant when they said it was backwards. Maybe see if we can have some cross-Paths expertise build-up. Maybe they have advanced medical capabilities? Maybe there was an Canardjenner, or a Canipasteur, who taught them much. Wouldn't do to miss that.
Bakhtin-approved
one morning, Hariko woke up and her elderly mother was gone. Just like that, nothing but a series of footprints through the snow into the chakra-beast-filled forest.
Her mother's name? Yūriko. Kogame Yūriko. (sorry I just wanted her to be alive and happy)
"Yeah, sure, you got it, boss."
(If anyone is wondering... offscreen is the silly little dance Hazō was doing)
 
I wrote about this last night on the Discord. I'll paste below.
Liquid air's boiling point is very close to liquid nitrogen's boiling point. I don't think the oxygen and nitrogen would separate to a meaningful degree.

Traditional EM nukes also are cast in midair. In my model, the liquid air is raining down, passing the Zone boundary and boiling when it hits the ground.

However, since the winds are so intense perhaps they would whip the liquid air around the Zone until the surrounding air was cold enough to liquefy. The heat capacity of air is not large, and there will be an absolute fuckton of air entering the Zone due to the high winds.

Note that you can easily pour liquid nitrogen from a flask to a table a meter or so away and not lose a huge amount to contact with the atmosphere. I have done so multiple times. The boiling won't be instant.
 
Liquid air's boiling point is very close to liquid nitrogen's boiling point. I don't think the oxygen and nitrogen would separate to a meaningful degree.

Traditional EM nukes also are cast in midair. In my model, the liquid air is raining down, passing the Zone boundary and boiling when it hits the ground.

However, since the winds are so intense perhaps they would whip the liquid air around the Zone until the surrounding air was cold enough to liquefy. The heat capacity of air is not large, and there will be an absolute fuckton of air entering the Zone due to the high winds.

Note that you can easily pour liquid nitrogen from a flask to a table a meter or so away and not lose a huge amount to contact with the atmosphere. I have done so multiple times. The boiling won't be instant.
I'm speaking on LN2 as we have consistent numbers for its properties. The premise will be the same for liquid air instead.

Liquid nitrogen is usually not stored at exactly −195 C, which is the temperature that our condensed LN2 will be as EM is unable to cool it further once it condenses. The heat capacity of air is mostly irrelevant as it isn't possible for our LN2 to lower the surrounding air down to -195, they will instead both just be very very cold gasses.

To put it another way, there is an absolute floor to the temperature we can bring out Nitrogen to, -195. It doesn't matter how long the EM is active or how much air flows in, it will never drop below -195. Since not all of the air is inside the EM zone, some (most) of the air will be at higher temperatures. If, somehow, the surrounding air that didn't go into the EM zone was cooled enough to condense anyways, it would merely pull in more outside air due to the pressure change which would then heat it up again. Additionally, it doesn't matter exactly how much the air difference is in the EM zone with regards to how much air is cooled as the EM zone will likely not surpass 1 atm and there is a set amount of time (6 seconds) that is needed to fully cool the air in the zone.

Edit: As to the liquid nitrogen you poured from the flask, it was A) most likely colder than -195 C, and B) a much larger continuous amount than the microscopic droplets that are going to be thrown at hurricane+ speeds in all directions.
 
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he most common reason the soul leaves the body is when it's damaged so the soul doesn't recognise it as a human body anymore.
the second most common reason is aspixiation, souls need air too apearently.
the third most common is hearing "we need to talk".

in all seriousness that actually makes kind of sense when you think about Hidan and the inmortal lady, they just convince their soul to stay put as their bodies will eventually get put back together.
Hazō rolled his eyes. "Get out of here, Noburi."

"Yeah, sure, you got it, boss."
nobury best bro.
 
"Something like that," Noburi said, looking up from an eerie diagram of a man with four arms, four legs, and a singularly fed-up expression. "Dr Yakushi lent me his personal copy of Hyūga Kōzō's Anatomical Manuscript A. They call the guy the second greatest doctor in the world, and you can see why."
Being a walking X-ray machine certainly has its advantages.
 
To put it another way, there is an absolute floor to the temperature we can bring out Nitrogen to, -195. It doesn't matter how long the EM is active or how much air flows in, it will never drop below -195. Since not all of the air is inside the EM zone, some (most) of the air will be at higher temperatures. If, somehow, the surrounding air that didn't go into the EM zone was cooled enough to condense anyways, it would merely pull in more outside air due to the pressure change which would then heat it up again. Additionally, it doesn't matter exactly how much the air difference is in the EM zone with regards to how much air is cooled as the EM zone will likely not surpass 1 atm and there is a set amount of time (6 seconds) that is needed to fully cool the air in the zone.
This isn't how EM works. The temperature of zone is what is set not the temperature of the air in the zone. So if any new air comes into the zone while EM has set in it will be set to that temperature. This doesn't make sense from physics perspective but chakra is magical bullshit
 
I'm speaking on LN2 as we have consistent numbers for its properties. The premise will be the same for liquid air instead.
Liquid air has a well defined boiling point. It's properties are basically that of a mixture of 80%N2 and 20%O2, there isn't much more to it.
Liquid nitrogen is usually not stored at exactly −195 C, which is the temperature that our condensed LN2 will be as EM is unable to cool it further once it condenses. The heat capacity of air is mostly irrelevant as it isn't possible for our LN2 to lower the surrounding air down to -195, they will instead both just be very very cold gasses.

To put it another way, there is an absolute floor to the temperature we can bring out Nitrogen to, -195. It doesn't matter how long the EM is active or how much air flows in, it will never drop below -195. Since not all of the air is inside the EM zone, some (most) of the air will be at higher temperatures. If, somehow, the surrounding air that didn't go into the EM zone was cooled enough to condense anyways, it would merely pull in more outside air due to the pressure change which would then heat it up again. Additionally, it doesn't matter exactly how much the air difference is in the EM zone with regards to how much air is cooled as the EM zone will likely not surpass 1 atm and there is a set amount of time (6 seconds) that is needed to fully cool the air in the zone.
@Oneiros ninja'd me but yes. She is right, air that crosses the Zone boundary instantly drops to the temp the justu has set once first 6 seconds have elapsed. That means that the temp of the liquid air can be below the boiling point, since the molecules have their temp set when they cross the boundary and then condense. Yes that's chakra bullshit but it's how the jutsu is written.

Edit: As to the liquid nitrogen you poured from the flask, it was A) most likely colder than -195 C, and B) a much larger continuous amount than the microscopic droplets that are going to be thrown at hurricane+ speeds in all directions.
The latent heat of vaporization of nitrogen is 100x larger than the specific heat capacity. Liquid nitrogen is at most 77K, that means that it is literally impossible for the energy to heat it to its boiling point to be more than 77% of the energy to vaporize it when it's there. But they weren't storing it at liquid helium temps, that would be far more expensive. It was pretty close to its boiling point.

As to your second point, perhaps. But EM is going to cool the surrounding area very quickly. Since massive amounts of energy are vanishing into the effect every second. I suspect the steady state involves something like a cold tornado the size of a city block which devastates the surrounding area for a mile or two, but honestly that's just guessing.
 
This isn't how EM works. The temperature of zone is what is set not the temperature of the air in the zone. So if any new air comes into the zone while EM has set in it will be set to that temperature. This doesn't make sense from physics perspective but chakra is magical bullshit

@Oneiros ninja'd me but yes. She is right, air that crosses the Zone boundary instantly drops to the temp the justu has set once first 6 seconds have elapsed. That means that the temp of the liquid air can be below the boiling point, since the molecules have their temp set when they cross the boundary and then condense. Yes that's chakra bullshit but it's how the jutsu is written.
The wording on the Known Jutsu doc is:
Known Jutsu Doc said:
The user can raise or lower the ambient temperature of a fixed area by up to 5 °C/level over the course of 2 rounds (a few seconds). The insides of objects and creatures are not affected directly. This can be used to create Aspects such as "Warm and Toasty", "Unpleasantly Hot", or "Painfully Cold."

The effect lasts as long as you concentrate, and for 10 minutes / level afterwards. Once the duration expires the temperature gradually drifts back to normal.

The AOE is 1 zone. You can center it floor(Aspect Bonus / 2) zones away.
The caster can choose the final temperature that the affected area will reach and (obviously) can choose how long they concentrate. If they stop concentrating they cannot start concentrating again. All other aspects of the jutsu, including duration, cannot be altered.

EM cannot be used on an area where a prior instance is in effect. EM cannot be used on an area where EM has expired but the temperature has not yet re-stabilized
My reading of this is that over the course of approximately six seconds, any air that is inside the EM zone is cooled or heated by a maximum of 5*EM Level. Nowhere does it state that the air is shifted to that new temperature instantaneously. In our case, it would be cooled over time, and the only way to stop the air from condensing would be if the jutsu went out of its way to prevent phase changes, something that we have zero evidence of. In short, unless there are additional rules and mechanics to this jutsu that we have not been made aware of, it should not be possible to cool a gas below its boiling point with this.
As to your second point, perhaps. But EM is going to cool the surrounding area very quickly. Since massive amounts of energy are vanishing into the effect every second. I suspect the steady state involves something like a cold tornado the size of a city block which devastates the surrounding area for a mile or two, but honestly that's just guessing.
I agree that is the most likely result of a negative EM nuke, though I can't speak on the size of the effect.
 
My reading of this is that over the course of approximately six seconds, any air that is inside the EM zone is cooled or heated by a maximum of 5*EM Level. Nowhere does it state that the air is shifted to that new temperature instantaneously
Second paragraph is what you're not taking into account
The effect lasts as long as you concentrate, and for 10 minutes / level afterwards. Once the duration expires the temperature gradually drifts back to normal.

The zone stays at that temperature for 10 minutes and then starts to change. So if new air is brought in it's brought to that temperature. If it worked by normal physics there would be no delay in when the temperature starts changing
 
My reading of this is that over the course of approximately six seconds, any air that is inside the EM zone is cooled or heated by a maximum of 5*EM Level. Nowhere does it state that the air is shifted to that new temperature instantaneously.
The air in the zone when the jutsu begins is not shifted. The air that enters after the jutsu has equilibrated is shifted.
In our case, it would be cooled over time, and the only way to stop the air from condensing would be if the jutsu went out of its way to prevent phase changes, something that we have zero evidence of. In short, unless there are additional rules and mechanics to this jutsu that we have not been made aware of, it should not be possible to cool a gas below its boiling point with this.
After the air condenses at its boiling point that new liquid occupies a tiny fraction of the original volume of the Zone. This lowers the pressure of the zone to essentially zero. The new air that rushes into the Zone crosses the boundary as a gas that can be affected by the justu. Rather than taking 6 seconds to cool down, that new air jumps to the target temperature, which can be lower than the boiling point of air. Otherwise it's impossible to keep the ambient temperature at the setpoint of EM. This makes no physics sense, it's chakra bullshit.
 
The zone stays at that temperature for 10 minutes and then starts to change. So if new air is brought in it's brought to that temperature. If it worked by normal physics there would be no delay in when the temperature starts changing
The zone is more accurately labeled as "While gas is in here, it is cooled 200 C over six seconds". New gas wouldn't instantly change to the minimum temperature, but instead drop over six seconds.

I suppose the question at that point is "If a gas leaves the zone, does it maintain its changed temperature or instantly revert?". If the answer is "it keeps its changed temperature until the duration has run out, at which point it drifts back to what it was before" then you don't really get the clearly defined "walls" of temperature change that we saw in the chunnin exams since the gas would drift out of the zone and continuously equalize at temperatures equal to the base + EM*5. If the answer is "Yes, gasses revert when they leave the zone" then EM nukes are impossible since anything that leaves the zone goes back to being ambient temperature.

I suspect that the answer will be the former, even if it's not exactly consistent with what we saw in the chunnin exams.
Judging from the noise outside the marquee, most of the guests (and probably proctors) were now gathered within the trap outside the front. There would inevitably be some stragglers scattered across the grounds—people who didn't know there was a cooler area they could go to—but otherwise Operation Hot, Drunk and Anonymous was going just as planned.
The air in the zone when the jutsu begins is not shifted. The air that enters after the jutsu has equilibrated is shifted.

After the air condenses at its boiling point that new liquid occupies a tiny fraction of the original volume of the Zone. This lowers the pressure of the zone to essentially zero. The new air that rushes into the Zone crosses the boundary as a gas that can be affected by the justu. Rather than taking 6 seconds to cool down, that new air jumps to the target temperature, which can be lower than the boiling point of air. Otherwise it's impossible to keep the ambient temperature at the setpoint of EM. This makes no physics sense, it's chakra bullshit.
I don't see anything in the jutsu description that indicates the ambient temperature of the zone is kept at a set point, only that the zone continues to modify the air that comes in.
 
I'm somehow getting the impression that the EM mechanics are kinda not solid yet. I'm looking forward to extrapolating how it kills the user once they're done.
 
[When Elemental Mastery is in effect] the temperature of zone is what is set not the temperature of the air in the zone. So if any new air comes into the zone while EM has set in it will be set to that temperature. This doesn't make sense from physics perspective but chakra is magical bullshit.
Yes, this is how it works. It takes 6 seconds for the jutsu to fully activate and cool the air in the zone. Once it's active, air entering the zone jumps to the new temperature.

I suppose the question at that point is "If a gas leaves the zone, does it maintain its changed temperature or instantly revert?".
As gas leaves the zone it ceases to be affected by the jutsu. Its temperature reverts based on normal thermodynamics and heat exchange with the environment.
 
Yes, this is how it works. It takes 6 seconds for the jutsu to fully activate and cool the air in the zone. Once it's active, air entering the zone jumps to the new temperature.


As gas leaves the zone it ceases to be affected by the jutsu. Its temperature reverts based on normal thermodynamics and heat exchange with the environment.
That is a lot stranger than the description implies. Does it jump temperature below the point at which it would condense?
 
Chapter 504: The Ministry of Agriculture, Reinvigoration, and Infrastructure

"My Lord Hokage, Lords and Ladies, good morning," Mari said, spreading her smile across the Council chamber. "Thank you for inviting me. A quick summary so you know what to expect: I'm going to tell you a lot of things that you already know about the problems that Leaf is currently facing. I'm then going to tell you a bunch more things that you already know related to how Leaf's institutions work. Once all that groundwork is laid, I'm going to move on to the sexy stuff, like how we can triple Leaf's ninja population in ten years, spread the Will of Fire across the Elemental Nations, and make everyone at this table richer than Koresus."
The whole "Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, tell 'em, tell 'em what you told 'em" style of presentation is awfully boring. Easier in ninja-world, where things are interesting by default, but often lifeless IRL and a weird way to avoid any actual story-telling. Suppose that even Mari grows soft in the end.
It was amazing how nuanced a snort could be. Lord Hagface was capable of one that clearly conveyed what an idiot Mari was. Lady Inuzuka's was amused at Mari's hard-charging optimism and humor. Tsunade's was doubtful and impatient.

Hazō watched Mari with carefully-suppressed glee. A quick glance around the room showed that the snorting had been positive overall. Clan Heads who had been looking bored or reaching for their tea were now intrigued, and the Clan Heads who had been moderately hostile were now less so. (The Clan Head who had been outright hostile hadn't visibly changed his position except to lean back in his chair and cross his arms like a petulant child. By the Sage, how did that guy end up the head of a voting clan?!) The KEI representative was clearly unsure what the impact of such ninja growth would be on his organization.
How hard would it be to find a Hag chuunin and get them drunk to learn how Ritsuo was chosen? Has to be doable. The "only jounin alive in the clan" theory seems viable.
"With your permission, Lord Hokage?"

Asuma sipped his tea with one hand and made a 'the floor is yours' gesture with the other.

"Thank you, sir." She smiled and nodded, then turned to face the table as a whole. "As promised, let's do the bad parts first.

"We learned yesterday how badly Leaf's ninja forces have been mauled by the war and the various events of the last two years. Now, the clans will restore themselves in time," she said. "Likewise, the membership rolls of the KEI will grow in the normal course of events. Unfortunately, I'm sure that Lord Nara can confirm that recent events have not only reduced our current ninja population, they have reduced the rate at which our ninja population will increase."

She looked around in exaggerated search for eavesdroppers, then leaned forward and lowered her voice to a stage whisper. "If you examine the record, it turns out... Ninja are mostly born to ninja." She straightened, chuckling. "Knowledge drop, I know. Still, it's important. The majority of ninja in Leaf were born to clan ninja, because the children of ninja/ninja pairings are essentially always ninja. A ninja/civilian pairing produces ninja children more often than not. Civilian/civilian pairings only very occasionally produce children with chakra systems that are capable of supporting a ninja career. This is a problem, because Leaf's ninja forces have been decimated several times over. Not only does that mean fewer ninja on the front line to defend the nation, it means fewer ninja to sire and bear the next generation of ninja children.
Ninja civilian pairings often producing ninja is surprising. I would have expected to see far more civilian concubines than we currently do, because a culture that allowed that would probably have a comparative advantage over one that didn't... though the recency of the villages screws up many such theories. Maybe that's how clans used to be in WCE.

What does this mean in terms of genetics? Could we do a quick-and-dirty HPMoR-style genetics test (have NPCs collect stats off-screen) to determine how chakra-heritability works? Perhaps we could uncover an insight that Hazou could figure out in turn.
"That's leaving aside the institutional memory and experience that has been lost," she continued. "It's not enough to have children capable of being ninja, we also need to have people who can train them in the ninja arts and imbue them with the Will of Fire. Without the training they cannot function as ninja. Without the Will of Fire they won't function as ninja. That means our education and training systems are critical.
Surprised that there haven't been more comments about the Mist ninja spouting off about the Will of Fire. I wonder if the propoganda worked.
"Until now, ninja training has been stratified. Students go to the Academy, which is geared for a few hundred students per year. After they leave at the end of the day, they go home. The clan children train with their family members. The clanless children help their parents with their jobs, squeezing out practice time where they can find it."
I wonder if there's more stratification here, where civilian-born ninja are worse off than clanless-but-ninja-born ninja... How expensive would it be to... No, that way lies Marked for Economics.
The KEI representative and Lady Kei shifted in their seats, mouths tight in annoyance.

"After graduation, new genin are divided into squads based on their Academy achievements." And on who their families were, but that part was not to be said aloud. "The squads made up of the very best students receive jōnin leaders who stay with them up until they are promoted to chūnin. The rest of the squads receive chūnin leaders.
I feel like even chuunin don't scale to the entire genin throughput, unless each chuunin is assigned to the squad for only a year. My intuition would have been that there's a good chunk of (mostly clanless) genin that just don't get a sensei, and are dumped into some general reserve corps, maybe in a long term team, maybe not.
"This system has worked extremely well for Leaf up until now," Mari said. "Indeed, this is the system that built Leaf into the most powerful of the Ninja Villages, as evidenced by the fact that we hold essentially all of the best land on this continent.
Feels like this isn't a sufficient explanation...
"The problem is that it's based on a set of assumptions that no longer apply. It was laid down in a time when the Academy generally matriculated 500 to 600 new students each year and graduated around 250. There were 50 or 60 jōnin and 400 chūnin, meaning that every Academy graduate could be confident in having an assigned sensei.

"That no longer applies. We have fewer than a dozen jōnin and only 243 surviving chūnin, some of whom are on medical stand-down and some of whom are required for home-front duties such as teaching at the Academy, seal or technique research, handling of deeply classified documents, and so on. We simply don't have the staff to be giving each squad its own instructor anymore, especially not if we're going to be growing at the rate we want. That's leaving aside the fact that the Academy was destroyed, along with most of the teaching resources and some of the senior teachers and administrators." She looked soberly around the room. "We want to rebuild our numbers as quickly as possible, but even if we had an unlimited number of possibles—hold that thought, because we're coming back to it—even if we had unlimited inflow of students, the Academy couldn't handle that many students and we couldn't mentor them afterwards.
What fraction of chuunin have the personality to, and are willing to lead a squad? How many have specializations that are amenable to it? How many aren't on mission rotations too deadly for genin? I'd bet that between all the relevant factors, less than a quarter of chuunin can make it.
"We just create larger squads," Lord Hagoromo said impatiently.

"It's possible that could work," Mari said, in a voice that made it clear that it wasn't possible. "However, the reason we use teams of three is because it provides a good balance between having enough combat power on a squad to render the squad survivable while also having enough squads to let Leaf project force to multiple places at a time. Increasing squad size feeds back into the problem I was mentioning earlier of stratified instruction: A ninja instructor can only handle a small number of students at a time. It's a question of focused attention. The larger the squad, the less individual training each member receives.

"Right now, clan children receive more training than clanless children simply because the clan children have adult ninja around them at all times from whom to learn. Clanless do not have that extra cadre and thus they receive fewer hours of instruction over the course of their time in the Academy. Receiving fewer hours of training means that clanless ninja have a higher death rate. Each of those deaths is a tragedy to their friends and family. Each of those deaths is a loss to Leaf's military power. And every single one of those deaths is one less potential parent for the next generation, one less potential trainer to pass on their experience."
People have talked about extending the Academy time before, say to 16 so that everyone graduated as a chuunin, but now I bet that won't work. I think the Academy probably inflicts a big penalty to your talent rating, whether due to incompetent teaching, lack of individual instruction, or lack of field training.
She paused, waiting to see if he was going to continue the debate, then nodded and moved on.

"That's the military side of things. Let's move on to the domestic. A lot of our civilians have been killed, thereby reducing the production of basic resources such as lumber, charcoal, and metals, as well as access to finished products such as repairs to our houses, heat for our homes, and kunai for our soldiers."
I wonder what the supply chains are like... Pretty medieval, so they must be short, one person might have all the skills to go from raw ore to finished kunai, but perhaps... No, that way lies Marked for Economics.
"My lovely wife does seem to go through the things quickly," Shikamaru added drily, shooting an amused glance at Kei who sat to his right. She raised one eyebrow at him and failed to look amused in turn. In fact, although an outsider would have seen only the regulation Mori/Nara stone face, Hazō knew her well enough to recognize the storm of emotions she was having at simply being in the same room as Mari. Hazō could only speculate what the conversation must have been like at the Nara residence this morning.

"Beloved wife, Mari will be presenting to the Council this morning. I expect you to be at my right."
"Beloved husband, although nothing gives me greater pleasure than to sit at your side while gazing with adoring cow eyes upon the handsome radiance of your countenance, I plead that you not force me to this task, because the presence of That Woman upsets me in ways that are beyond what can be sustained by such a fragile flower as myself."
"Although I care deeply about you, my tasty little sweet potato, and I understand your completely reasonable and well-considered rage and betrayal at a loved one putting herself in major risk, and you in very slight risk, in order to prevent the almost-certain death of the brother for whom you have repeatedly placed yourself at risk by fighting beside him, and yes I recognize that the grammar of this sentence renders it appropriate for immediate execution, yet still I must insist. I recognize it as a great sacrifice on your part to act like the grownup politician that a Clan Lady has a responsibility to be, yet I have great confidence in your ability to suspend your ridiculous yet simultaneously adorably quirky snit for an hour or so. You are my heir and it is important for you to learn how to be in a room with someone you loathe without attempting to terrify and/or murder them. You know, just in case you ever need to take my seat at the Council table."
"Schnookums, don't say such awful things! The only way I should be called upon to take your seat would be for you to...to...alas, my tongue can barely form such horrific words! The only way for me to take your seat would be for you to die and, were this incredibly unlikely event to occur, then lo, my heart should break and I would race after you through the tunnel of darkness and behind the dark veils of death within that darkest day of darkness! Nay, within the very hour would I follow thee!"
Ami style training: Set up the circumstances so that Shikamaru ends up calling Kei his "tasty little sweet potato".
On second thought, the conversation had probably been nothing like that.

Also, if he was being fair then Kei's risk had been higher than 'very slight' and her reactions, while emotional and not entirely reasonable, weren't completely unwarranted either. Regardless, Kei was here and not throwing knives or making the air feel cold, so he would call it a win.
Mari smiled and nodded acknowledgement to Shikamaru without making eye contact with Kei.

"As do most of our forces," Mari continued smoothly. "With military and domestic addressed, let's turn our gazes abroad. This new 'AMITY' venture that Mori created is presenting us with some opportunities alongside the restrictions. On the one hand, we are prevented from taking military action against Rock in repayment for the harm they've caused us.
For at least a few years, looking to the League of Nations as an example of a first attempt at world government.
"Of course, we're not going to let Rock get away with what they did, right?" Grim nods went around the table. "If this new effort succeeds and brings peace to the entire Elemental Nations for the first time in history, we can take advantage of that. We can strangle their economy and leave them as starving paupers dependent on our good will. While we're doing that, we can spread the Will of Fire into their nation until their civilians and even their ninja decide to move to Leaf."
Hazou might have a thing to say if that ends up with their civilians actually starving...
She paused for the startled laughter, then bared her teeth in a most unfriendly smile.

"My Lord, My Ladies, you should not laugh. I am deadly serious. Mori Ami was able to convince two Kage to let her renationalize from Mist to Leaf. That precedent is now set and we should be sure that everyone attending the AMITY is quietly made aware of it. Oh, they'll cluck like startled chickens and wag their fingers. They'll probably even say that we're terrible people, or morally depraved, or...I dunno, some damn thing." She shrugged at the unimportance of it all.
Convincing the Tsuchikage though, who is probably not a thrall to most Rock ninja?
"They can fuss all they want, but think what the effect will be once the word spreads to all the ninja of their home villages: Leaf is better than the other villages. We are so much better that Mori moved the heavens and the earth in order to come here. Having done that, she is not being locked in some basement somewhere, carefully surveilled by ANBU. No, she is being treated with respect and placed in a position of honor and importance. She is, in short, being allowed to earn her place, treated no better and no worse than anyone else."

The quality of the silence changed.

"The Seventh Path trade network that Hazō created gives Leaf access to goods that are available nowhere in our world, the spider silk being only the latest example. Not only does it provide us a monopoly on these goods, but it allows us to effectively teleport messages and goods across the continent in seconds, giving us a much shorter command-and-control loop as well as the ability to quickly take advantage of economic opportunities that others couldn't. Imagine: Rock sends a merchant and a ninja bodyguard to Cloud at the same time as Leaf does, except our ninja is a Summoner. Both merchants sell what they brought and then they look around to find out which goods are selling well and which are selling poorly. Armed with that information, the Rock team needs to go home and assemble a cargo. The Leaf merchant simply relays a message through the Seventh Path and within the hour they have a stack of storage scrolls filled with valuable products. Two weeks later, the Rock merchant returns to find that they have no market for their goods because Leaf already made those sales.
Requires the summoners being sent on these missions, which seems unlikely. In fact, it probably makes sense only to do it at scale, where there's lots of merchants and the like to move lots of goods. That's a situation that happens at the Chuunin Exams... Hm...
"Once we have strangled Rock enough, once enough of their people have learned about Leaf's superior lifestyle and philosophy, what will happen? Their ninja will start quietly approaching us, asking to immigrate. Oh, it won't be for years and it will be a trickle at first, but it will grow.

"Obviously, these people will need to be vetted thoroughly. Imagine what happens if we do it gently—we bring them into Leaf, we give them comfortable quarters while the vetting happens, perhaps we even let them take some supervised trips around the city." She mimed at being a first-time visitor to Leaf, gazing around in wonderment. After a moment she dropped the act and shrugged. "Yes, some of them will be false, sent as spies. We should not kill them. We should—"

"We are familiar with Jiraiya's principles," Lady Amori said sharply. "Enemy spies are treasure and should be treated as such. Keep them, give them posts within the bureaucracy, and use them to feed false information to their masters, etc etc."

Mari shook her head. "With respect, Lady Amori: no. In this case it is far better to send them home. We don't want them passing bits of carefully-curated military information that disappears into the enemy equivalent of the Tower archive. We want them walking the streets of Cloud and the tunnels of Rock, talking about what marvels they saw during their time in Leaf. Talking about how friendly and respectful her people were. How much cleaner and more beautiful and richer the city is than theirs. They'll be back eventually, this time for true. The more often that happens the more sincere applications we will have and the more the Tsuchikage's heart will marinate in helpless rage."
Again, isn't this predicated on getting the Tsuchikage's agreement for the emigrants? Also, I wonder how the enemy propoganda machines will counter that. I could imagine inequality serving to deepen Rock's hatred of the rich Leaf instead...
Laughter had shifted to sharp interest.

"So," Mari said, clapping her hands. "Let's recap: Leaf is short on ninja. Our replacement rate is reduced because we don't have enough people to serve as parents and squad leaders. Our training systems, while excellent within the paradigm they were created for, are now being faced with a set of challenges they weren't intended to handle. The AMITY, if it works, will give us military cover so that we can utterly destroy Rock and quietly subsume the rest of the Elemental Nations over the next ten or twenty years—but only if we have the economic power and vision to take advantage of the opportunity. How do we resolve all this?

"Let's talk about a new organization: the Ministry for Agriculture, Reinvigoration, and Infrastructure."
Oh no. Not you too.
"What does 'ministry' mean?" Hazō had asked, the night before when Mari was using him as the audience for her briefing slash practice session.
"It's a made-up word. When you minister to someone it means you're taking care of them, usually because they're sick. Right now, the Land of Fire is sick and we are going to minister to it."
"You just needed to make the name work, didn't you?"
She looked down her nose at him and sniffed. "I have no idea what you mean." After a moment she gave up the pretense and grinned. "Yes. It's blatantly obvious and self-aggrandizing and normally I wouldn't do it. Honestly, I expect that it will work against us. Still, this organization has a lot of purposes, and one of them is to make it harder for Ms Psycho to follow through on trying to kill us the next time she decides to uncharitably interpret our interactions with Kei. Naming it like this is a direct challenge to her and I want her to know it."
Glad that Mari is calibrated about the relative threat profiles we're dealing with, at least.
"Seems like a lot of effort just to send a signal."
"Like I said, many purposes. Wealth, power, Uplift, intelligence gathering, the ability to squeeze the life out of the Hagoromo or anyone else who pisses us off—well, I suppose that last one is covered under 'power', but it bears mentioning. Anyway, lots of different things."
Sounds like an unfortunate permanent drain on her time, though...
"The Ministry is directed by myself and my co-Ministers," Mari said, gesturing to the two civilian men who bracketed her one step back. A giant easel stood behind the three of them and a large sheet of paper, faced away from the Council members, leaned up against its front legs. Most people who needed to talk to the Council but weren't on it would have stood at the foot of the table where it was easy for everyone to see them. Mari and her cohort were standing on the west side of the table, the one closest to the door. The Council members along that side had needed to turn their chairs around to see her.
Why did Mari pick such an inconvenient spot...?
"Good morning," said the man to her left, bowing deeply. "I am Sugawara Aito." Hazō recognized him; he was the one who had sold the Gōketsu his iron mine on the border of River.

"And I am Tanaka Kiyomoto," the other man said. He was the Master of Chambers for Leaf's Merchant Council, one of the few civilians that even the most conservative clan head needed to treat well.
Ah, people deeply in Gouketsu's pocket.
"So. What do we do?" Mari asked. She looked around the room, letting the problem hang over their heads for an instant. "Answer: We increase the population of Fire in order to increase our ninja forces, we evolve the way we provide ninja training, and we shift our focus from military conflict to economic conquest."
That's just restating the problems in a positive light.
"Lady Gōketsu," Shino said carefully. "When you say that we increase the population of ninja, it sounds like you are suggesting a ninja breeding program such as Mist was rumored to have. Are you about to say that female ninja should be removed from the field and encouraged or required to have as many children as possible?"
Encouraged, perhaps. Pronatalism! You can just give people money to change incentive structures!
Mari shook her head and raised both hands in preemptive surrender. "Absolutely not. Not only are there moral issues with that but the result would be to stratify women into an underclass, coddled pets who cannot be allowed to take any risks. That would reduce women to nothing but their reproductive abilities. At that point, why should they be educated? Should they be restricted to the clan compound at all times, allowed out only under male escort?" She gestured around the table at the multiple Clan Ladies at the table. "I think if you look at the people around this table, you'll find that Leaf's women have a great deal to contribute in every field. As soldiers, as politicians, as artists...as terrifyingly grouchy yet inspirational legends." The last came with a nod and a small smile to Lady Tsunade, who grunted in response. "No. I am absolutely opposed to anything that looks like a breeding program."

"Then what is your suggestion for growing the rate at which Leaf's ninja population grows?"

"Simple. We grow the civilian population."
This seems more like a three-generations solution than a next-year one.
Everyone blinked. Shikamaru leaned forward, elbows on the table and fingers interlaced. Tsunade went "Hah!" and slapped the table in approval.

"Civilian/civilian couples produce ninja at a very low rate," Mari continued. "What is the rate? No one knows. I tried to figure it out by using the tax rolls as census data, then crossing that with the Academy's admission intake for the last ten years. Unfortunately, the Academy records are not available due to Rock's..." She struggled to find a word that would encompass her feelings, then gave up and shrugged. "Rock's attack. Still, let's guess. Perhaps one in a hundred civilian children have the potential to become ninja? One in fifty? It's hard to say. Leaf does not aggressively recruit from the hinterlands of Fire so we don't know how many are born but go unnoticed."
If there was a shortage of ninja, I really would have assumed that Leaf's actual land would be tapped for its most important resource. Maybe it's too hard for it to have been worth it for anyone to attempt until recently...?
"Do you really think it's one in fifty?"
"Heck no. Honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if it ends up being as high as one in a hundred. Doesn't matter, because the people in that room aren't going to know either. By starting with one in a hundred and then going up to one in fifty they will subconsciously take away the idea that one in a hundred is the pessimistic figure and that it's likely higher than that."
Ah, statistics. The art of lying with numbers.
"Lords and Ladies, there are over 300,000 civilians in Fire. Most civilians in the countryside have a child every year, because they need workers on the farms and they know that more than half of their children will die before they can walk. That's roughly 150,000 births each year. If 1 in 100 of them are potential ninja, that's 1500 genin candidates every year. At the height of its power, Leaf had 1500 ninja total."
Wow, I really like that every woman in Fire is of child-rearing age, rather than being very young (as medieval societies lean) or too old. I also like that every child in every shitty rural hamlet is surviving not just childbirth, but till 12.
"You're suggesting that we fill Leaf's ranks almost entirely with clanless born in the countryside?" Lord Motoyoshi asked, lips pursed. "The clans would be rendered irrelevant." He carefully ignored the cat-with-creamy-whiskers smile of the KEI representative down the table.

"No sir. I'm suggesting that we grow both the KEI and the clans. First, we invest in the Will of Fire through an aggressive policy of securing the life and health of the civilian population. This will lead to a population explosion and, as the number of civilians increases, so will the number of new civilian-born ninja candidates."
How long will it take for the population to boom? Surely more than a decade. This is a really huge plan.
She nodded to Kei and then to Naruto, the two KEI Coordinators in the room. "This is going to have serious impact on Leaf's political structure. It's rude to say it that bluntly, but Leaf is facing too large a crisis for us to be less than forthright with one another as we jointly work to fix things. On the one hand, the KEI will be receiving an enormous number of new members. On the other hand, we need to regrow the clans as well, and that means adoptions. There are two opposed forces here; on the one hand, the Clan Heads are going to want to adopt only the best and the brightest, causing a 'brain drain' away from the KEI. That's bad; the KEI is too important to be treated like that.
Is that bad? If that's the best thing to do for those specific clanless ninja and doesn't come at cost to the others, why would this be bad at all?
"My suggestion would be to tweak Hazō's adoption-ticket system: if a clan would like to have a ninja join their clan then they need to get the person's consent in advance and spend an adoption ticket. The difference is that the KEI becomes the source of adoption tickets, not the Tower."

Asuma's eyebrow went up. "Excuse me? That—" He broke off and cocked his head in thought. "Hm."
I know very well this feeling of "this sounds wrong but my obvious objections didn't make sense".
"Asuma?" Tsunade asked.

"I started to object and then I realized I had no need to," Asuma said. "The Tower has a right and a duty to ensure that its ninja are treated well, that they are well trained and fit for service, and that their skills and their lives are used in the best possible service to the Will of Fire. Nothing in that says that we need to care which clan a ninja belongs to or doesn't belong to."

"Wait, you seriously think he'll go for that?" Hazō demanded. "He's not going to want to set the precedent of giving away pieces of the Tower's authority. Plus, if he tries it then the clans will take him out behind the woodshed."
I do like these cutaways. How did you get them to render like this on SV?
"So, what, if we want to adopt a candidate who wants to be adopted, we need to get the approval of this...organization?" Lord Kurusu said.
Is the name forbidden?
"Pretty much," Mari said cheerfully. "Even if you're adopting from another clan to your own, even if someone is marrying from one clan to another, you still need a ticket. You could buy an existing one from another clan or you could pay the KEI to create a new one for you, either way. They would have the right to print as many additional tickets as they want and sell them for whatever rate seems best. Kei, Naruto, if you'd be willing to take a suggestion: have training hours be part of the price. The clans can send their jōnin down to train appropriate students twice a week, or add one of your members to a squad run by one of their chūnin, or whatever. Be creative. You will be in prime position to implement new educational initiatives, so do it."
Wait, why would cross clan adoptions require a ticket? They don't change the tax pool at all... I thought not changing the tax pool was why jounin didn't require tickets.
"Lord Hokage, surely you aren't seriously considering this?" Lady Amori asked, appalled. "I have no objection to the KEI as an organization, but giving them the right to essentially veto any adoption or marriage between clans is madness!"
It is kinda nuts. It's like the meme about consent and Jesus -- it involves an obviously irrelevant third party into every transaction.
"It does seem a bit extreme," Asuma said slowly. "Although I believe the issue can be resolved simply by requiring that the KEI distribute a certain number of tickets to each clan at the start of the year and then setting up rules to ensure that the sales are fair and unbiased." He nodded thoughtfully. "Yes. There's a lot more work to be done on this topic but the basic idea is sound and what's left is details. I'm not committing to it either for or against, but I want to think about it. Let's table it and move on. Lady Gōketsu?"
Hm. I wonder if this is a rider intended to get struck so that the rest can go through...
"He'll go for it like Kagome for chocolate. Why wouldn't he? It gets some paperwork hassle off his desk and it builds up the power of the KEI so that they can serve as a meaningful counterweight to the power of the clans. Asuma has a very weak mandate among the clans, but he's popular with the KEI ninja in general and with the KEI coordinators in particular. Anything that builds them up is in his favor." She made a moue. "Granted, it might also build up Ami's power, but by very publicly claiming the idea and championing it I can blunt the impact of that."
"It 'might' build up her power?"
"Yeah, might. Asuma could, if he wanted to, steal the KEI out from under Ami. He keeps her busy running around the countryside on AMITY business while he welds the organization more firmly to him. If he does that then she gets marginalized. If he doesn't then Ami's power will increase alongside the power of the KEI.
If he could, why doesn't he?
"On the other hand, the KEI have now been publicly called out to improve the educational system. That puts Ami, Kei, and Shikamaru in prime position to fix things with Leaf's schools. Kei will know to talk to Kagome for an expert opinion that is also an outside perspective, so that makes him happy and brings her back to the family a little bit more, gives us more of a chance at mending things with her. Asuma gets an improved school system but the Tower has none of their own credit tied up in it. If Ami tries something—either her own idea or something he suggested—it's on her and not him if it backfires. Which, granted, is another of those two-sided things. I'm giving her more influence over Leaf's ninja education, which increases her power. On the other hand, I'm also putting her under a spotlight where any underperformance or mistake will be highly visible, and setting her up for confrontation with the Clan Heads. They're not going to enjoy having to go, hat in hand, to a woman much younger than them in order to get the ninja power that they desperately need. Especially not when she's a foreigner, which is going to rub the Hags up like a wire brush on the taint."
"Can't she fob that off on Kei or Naruto? Or set up some kind of bureaucracy?"
"Eh." She waggled her hand. "Setting up a bureaucracy will handle the day-to-day stuff, but if Lord Hagface wants a ticket and is told no then he's going to demand to speak to a Coordinator. From what I've seen, Naruto doesn't have the temperament for that kind of deskwork on the regular. Not yet, anyway. It's one of the reasons he wasn't ready to be Hokage at the last election. Kei has the temperament but she's likely to get steamrolled by some of the pushier Clan Heads. You know her—she's good at wheeling and dealing when everyone is playing fair, but she gets rattled when the other person isn't working in good faith, and the only people who are going to end up negotiating for tickets with a Coordinator are the ones who aren't working in good faith. In a situation like that, she'll either give away too much value or she'll do something that gives the frustrated customer the right to go to the Hokage for redress, which takes away the moral authority of the KEI. Ami will know all that as well as I do and will try to keep Kei away from it for the most part. No, Ami will pass most of it off but it will still tie up a few hours a month."
She shook her head. "There's definitely pros and cons to this. It will make her more powerful, which means more capable of sticking a knife in one of us the next time she decides we were mean to Kei. On the other hand, she'll need to spend at least some of her time on deskwork, as well as creating and watching over school programs to ensure that they're working smoothly and there's no teachers messing about with the kids or anything like that." She shrugged. "Not sure it's a win overall, but we'll see. Plus, it really will be good for Leaf."
Do like Mari's priorities. "Plus, it really will be good for Leaf" is the afterthought.
"Yes, My Lord. All right, moving on. We've talked about the end goal: increasing the number of ninja in Leaf and finding a way to ensure that both the clans and the KEI benefit from this. Let's talk about how we get there.

"Civilians die for a number of reasons. Dangerous flora and fauna. Starvation and thirst. Bad weather. Disease. We can solve most of these problems very easily." She gestured to Tsunade. "Lady Tsunade once remarked that the best way to help civilians would be to build walls. So, the Ministry hired out the creation of a new technique. Aito?"

"Thank you, Madam Minister," Aito said, struggling and failing to hide his nervousness. "Lords, Ladies, several months ago the newly-formed Ministry hired Chūnin Haruhisa to create the Earth Element: Massive and Rapid Infrastructure technique. We would like to formally and publicly state in front of all of you, and in front of the KEI Coordinators in particular, that Chūnin Haruhisa did a superb job and we...uh, the Ministers are extremely pleased with the results." The poor man was floundering; there were small beads of sweat around his temples despite the cool temperature in the room.

"Cute name. Another signal?"
"No, this one was in fact a bit of self-aggrandizing whimsy. I'm allowed to be a hypocrite occasionally."
Sanity is an illusion.
"This technique is derived from the Earth Element: Multiple Earth Wall. We can, uh, use it to construct walls for villages."

"Aito, if I may interrupt for just one moment," Mari said. "I should probably mention that the technique has significant differences as compared to its ancestor. The Multiple Earth Wall can produce walls at any angle from any surface that is stone or Earth Element. In particular, it's possible to create a Multiple Earth Wall on top of another Multiple Earth Wall in order to build arbitrarily high. It can generate walls quickly enough to be useful in battle. On the other hand, it generates a relatively small amount of wall per casting.

"The Massive and Rapid Infrastructure technique generates much larger walls—three meters above ground, five meters below, one meter thick. The walls are always vertical regardless of the slope of the ground on which they are created. They must be cast atop stone or Earth-Element material, but not atop material created by itself, meaning that it can't be used to make walls higher than its design, although it can be used to make them thicker. It is also quite slow to operate and causes splitting headaches if terminated improperly. On the other hand, it can create hundreds of yards of wall per casting if given sufficient chakra."
Seems great. All the tradeoffs we would have wanted.
"What."
"What?"
"What the fuck?"
"Sorry, not with family."
"You just went and...hired it done."
"I mean...yeah?"
"Without talking to me?"
"Would you have said yes?"
"Well, obviously, but..."
She shrugged. "Then what's the problem?"
Hazō felt like there were so very many problems, but he couldn't quite figure them out. "What even made you think of this?"
"What do you mean 'what made me think of this'? You, you dimwit. Half of what the Ministry is doing is stuff that you've been talking about on and off since we met. You've just been a little busy so I decided to do it for you."
Ah, the joy of having competent subordinates that are aligned with your goals. We really ought to buy Uplift Mari a cake for this. I bet this is why big companies spend so many hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to hire people that actually care about the company mission.
"Using this technique will allow us to quickly place walls around every civilian village in Leaf, including their fields," Tanaka said. "After speaking with a few recent immigrants, we expect that this will cut rural deaths by somewhere between twenty and forty percent."
In Leaf or in Fire?
"That is a large variance," Shikamaru noted.

"It is, but it's difficult to get good data. Most of the farmers are illiterate and innumerate. Getting actual data out of them required paying them to provide the names of everyone in their village, then detail which ones had died and of what. Obviously, there's a lot of points of failure, starting with the person's memory."

"Have you tried comparing different people's information regarding the same town?" Lady Inuzuka asked. "Our trackers do that."

Tanaka nodded respectfully. "Ma'am, we have. That's why I'm confident enough to say that it's twenty to forty percent instead of ten to eighty."
As always, the shittiness of information transfer in pre-internet societies amazes me. Pre-writing, practically all bets are off.
"Hm."

"Once the technique was created," Tanaka said, "we found three Leaf chūnin with the Earth element and reasonable chakra reserves. They agreed, in principle, to a series of missions building walls around Fire's civilian villages." He grimaced. "Unfortunately, all three of them died in the opening weeks of the war. Fortunately, we found a replacement, Gotoda Bunji. He was able to learn the technique on his rest days."
I wonder if this has any strategic use. If it has no effect until the end, I could imagine it being useful in stealth and ambushes...
"We also surveyed a series of Leaf villages and chose one as a prototype for advanced development," Sugawara said. "The Ministry plans to do basic development across all of Fire as quickly as possible. That means putting a wall around the village and its fields, ensuring that they have an adequate water supply—we hired the development of a dowsing jutsu for that—coordinating with the Nara Future Foundation in order to bring in teachers and tradesmen to offer education, and organizing regular till'n'fill missions and trade missions."
Including the fields probably makes this a lengthy job. I could imagine this occupying a chuunin-fortnight.
"We will also be conducting a thorough census while we do this," Mari said. "If we put a Hyūga in each of the missions then we'll be able to locate every ninja candidate in the Land of Fire. That will increase class intake at the Academy and increase tax revenue come harvest time."
Adding Hyuuga hours to all those chuunin-hours... That sounds really expensive. There has to be a better way to survey all of Fire.
"Which brings us back to the prototype concept," Sugawara said. The small man had clearly braced himself; his speech was firmer and he was making more eye contact. "Lords and Ladies, the single most important thing Leaf could do to grow the civilian population would be to reduce taxes and provide discretionary funds for local development."

"I thought the goal was to grow Leaf's economy?" Shino asked. "How are we supposed to do that if we're reducing taxes? We won't have the goods to trade."
??? Are they trading the grain that they collect in taxes???
"My Lord, I am a hill daimyo from the border of River, as was my father and my father's father and his father before him. Every year, 95% of what we produce beyond basic subsistence is taken in tax. We have enough to eat, barely, but there is never enough extra to do anything with. For example, we make most of our money on nut flour, but we need to hull the nuts and grind them by hand and there aren't enough hands in the village to grind the entire crop of nuts before they go bad. With a proper waterwheel we could install an automatic mill which would allow us to enormously increase our output. That would mean more nut cake, nut candy, and nut flour for Leaf, but it would require us to have the money to buy what we need."

"So approach one of us for a partnership," Lady Inuzuka said. "That's the way it works. That's the way it's always worked, and Leaf is rich and successful for it."
Do partnerships change the crippling tax rate? Because even if he had a successful partnership and ended up with a million ryo, losing 95% of it would suck, and remove most of the incentive to take the risky journey to Leaf in the first place.
"It does indeed work," Mari said, nodding. "But there are some inefficiencies in the system. It's limited by the number of meetings that the Clan Heads can take, by the amount of our assets that are liquid at any given time, and the ability of the local lord to travel to Leaf in order to make the pitch. Suppose that Aito had simply had the money in his pocket ten years ago? He would be rich and we would be richer. Leaf would have massive amounts of very tasty nut flour to use in our own bakeries with plenty left over to sell to other nations as a way of getting our ninja inside their walls to surveil the place."
I really wonder where the money would go. I guess the ultra-cash-starved areas all barter anyway, and Aito would offer almonds to local workers to help him build. Perhaps... No, that way lies Marked for Economics.
"Hm." Lady Inuzuka leaned back, rubbing her lip and thinking.

"Putting it more bluntly," Mari said, "if we reduce the tax rate, I expect that we will see total tax revenues go up."
Ninja analogy -- sometimes, you can get stronger faster by training less, not more?
Cries of "What?!" went around the table.

"Mari, that makes no sense," Asuma said. "If you decrease taxes then you get less taxes."
Oh no. I can feel it coming.
Mari turned to the easel and lifted up the huge sheet of paper, placing it on the stand so that everyone could see it.

Hazō froze. "Mari," he said, his voice very calm. "Why do you have one-third of a Rafu selector on that sheet?"
"A what now?"
Chills went down his spine. "That diagram is the lower third of a common seal element known as a Rafu selector. It's missing some very important parts. Why do you have it?"
She looked at the drawing in surprise. "Huh. Didn't know that—well, obviously, since I know squat about sealing. Nah, this is just a prop to make my point that pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered."
"Aren't pigs and hogs the same animal?"
"It's a metaphor, Hazō. Work with me."
What does this flashback mean? I don't understand it at all.
"This is a visual aid," Mari explained, pointing to the design. "It's not intended to convey specifics, merely the basic concept. This vertical line represents various potential tax rates. This horizontal line represents the actual amount of tax revenue collected, and the curved line represents how the two map to one another. For example, if the tax rate is zero then obviously we collect no taxes." She pointed to the lower-left corner where all three lines came together, then slid her finger up to the top where the curved line and the vertical line met again. "Of course, if the tax rate is 100% then we also collect no revenue, because all of the farmers starved to death the previous year.

"Right now we take 95% after subsistence and we get this much." She slid her finger along the curve, moving down and to the right. "On the other hand, Aito already explained that if we reduced taxes slightly then his people would be able to generate far more." She moved her finger farther down the curve, indicating the decrease in tax rate and increase in revenue. She smiled at the room, making eye contact with various people in turn. "I'm sure that everyone here has, at some point, stolen something off their mother's cooling trays. We all know that it's better to get a slice of a very large pie than all of a very small tart. Yes, there is a point at which lowering taxes reduces revenue instead of increasing it"—she pointed to where the curve trended inward again—"but that point is nowhere near where we are.
Marked for Economics! You were here all along!
"We want to be right here." She put her finger on the dot at the outermost point of the curve and smudged it around a bit. "I don't know what the exact numbers are, but I feel certain that we can figure it out."

"Okay, fine, it's a metaphor. If it's not a Rafu selector then why does it look like an unrealistically giant breast?"
"Because most of the Council are men, and men get stupid and compliant when they're thinking about boobs."
Oooh, Laffer curve?
"The Ministry had intended to use Kushida Crossing as our initial prototype community," Tanaka said. "Unfortunately, it was eradicated by those Rock bastards in their opening attack." His jaw clenched but he forced himself to relax. "Fortunately, we found another choice.
Border villages seem like a bad choice generally. Something close to Leaf so that skeptical ninja can visit and see the results easily seems good.
"The village of Stone Faces was named for some local rock formations that look vaguely like faces when seen from the proper angle. It was a large and successful community that was targeted by Rock at the start of the war. 75% of the buildings were destroyed and half the population was killed, leaving 103 survivors, of whom 41 are able-bodied and of working age. The village had a wooden palisade but it was burned down. The Ministry plans to make the following investments:
I wonder how much of the killing was intentional. Does the average ninja have a lot of stomach for personally slaughtering civilians? Or are the deaths more of the "fires + harsh winter" type...
"First, we will hire a mission to have Gotoda and two genin replace the palisade with a large stone wall via the Massive and Rapid Infrastructure technique. This will likely take three to four days, given the chakra demands, hence why we are sending two genin as backup for when Gotoda is chakra-depleted.

"Second, the Ministry will send a basic development package of goods including food and supplies, along with a team of civilian experts and Nara Future Foundation experts to help rebuild and improve the village while also providing those who live there with skill training.

"Third, we intend to provide a modest stipend for every member of the community regardless of age or ability to work. This will give them the discretionary resources to invest in waterwheels, or whatever else they might need, without needing to trek back to Leaf and seek an audience with a Clan Head. It will also incentivize having children, which means more ninja going forward.

"All of this will be paid for from the Ministry Investment Fund and will not cost anyone here anything.

"Finally, we ask the Tower to forego taxes on Stone Faces this year and to reduce their taxes to 50% for the next 10 years."
All seem like perfectly reasonable choices. N=1 would make me uncomfortable though. Given how cheap this is to test, why not do N=10 or something?
"We are so confident that this will work that we're willing to bet on it," Mari said. "We've gone through the tax rolls and figured out the average tax revenue generated by Stone Faces from 1060-1070. If the Tower is willing to offer the tax relief that we've requested then the Ministry will ensure that the Tower loses nothing from it. In years where they generate less than the average, the Ministry will make up the difference from the MIF. In years where they generate more, the excess will go into the MIF to be spent on covering the Ministry's costs and developing other towns."

"...covering the Ministry's costs?" Hazō repeated. One eyebrow rose. "Care to offer some specifics?"
"Salaries and profit sharing for the Ministers, to start. I'm not doing this purely out of the goodness of my heart. I intend for the Gōketsu to get stinking rich off it."
Wait. So all excess revenue generated by lowering tax rates goes to Mari?

We will be richer than the King of Hell himself by the end of this scheme. Taxes are so much bigger a source of income than literally anything else that we could possibly do.
"You sound very confident," Hinata said, breaking her silence for the first time.
Is this going to be seen as a liberal vs conservative issue...?
"I am," Mari replied. She looked around at the audience, then glanced at the ceiling as she riffled through her mental presentation notes. Finally she nodded. "This concludes our presentation on the Ministry of Agriculture, Reinvigoration, and Infrastructure. Lord Hokage, your thoughts?"

Asuma has nothing to lose and much to gain, so he's going to say yes. The question is how enthusiastic he is. Let's find out.

Mari, Presence: ? + tag "Thoroughly Prepared" + tag "The Merchant Council Is Convinced" + invoke ? + invoke ? - 3 (dice; 1 FP spent on rerolling a -6): ?

Asuma, Presence: ??? - 3 (dice): ?
Ah yes, a major incentive for raising socials. Even if we can't compete on fair rolls, there'll be rolls like this where we'll have tags and invokes and we want to beat someone's base stat, and we can't do that without a big AB. I could imagine a Deceit stack starting from 40 base beating Asuma's unboosted Deceit, for example.
Asuma studied the chart for a moment, drumming his fingers in thought. "All right," he said at last. "The census and identification of ninja candidates makes sense. Till'n'fill missions to build walls for all the towns makes sense. We'll do those. As to this tax business...I'm not convinced but I'm not disbelieving either. The experiment with Stone Faces is inexpensive but won't be completely clear for years. We don't have years. We need to get out in front of whatever the AMITY ends up accomplishing."

He fell silent for a moment, then nodded. "This year and next, the tax rate across the Land of Fire will be 85% after subsistence."

Quiet sounds of horror went around the table as various Clan Heads foresaw their income taking a hit.
A 10% hit to your budget is pretty bad for big organizations. Especially if you live close to the margins.

Wait, the Clans don't see tax revenue at all, that's all the Tower's handling. What are they so scared about??
Asuma raised a hand, looking down the length of the table. "Yes, this means less money to divide between Tower and clans. I will be investing my personal funds and Tower discretionary funds to cover the lost revenue so the clans don't get pinched. Each of you has a choice: you may receive your full stipend or you may choose to forego some of it. If you do, it will be treated as an investment. Three years from now, if the total tax revenue across Fire has been higher than the average, the extra money will be divided per stirpes among those who invested, up to five times the money lost from your stipends."
Ohh, their stipend is getting hit too. I doubt that'll affect the Gouketsu though, we never hit that (unless we got paid for war missions, in which case we're probably already really rich).
He turned back to Mari. "None of this happens until after the war is done, however. I'm not having our ninja running around the country in penny packets on non-essential missions and spending days chakra-exhausted while out in the field."

She bowed deeply. "Thank you, Lord Hokage."
Big win for Mari. Gotta make sure it pays off too... I don't think this can be the end of the plotline, though passing off some updates to Gaku and Mari probably means we don't need to burn too much screen-time on it. Long live Marked for Economics!
 
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