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We can ask but there's a decent chance he modified this need with biohacking and surgery rather than a jutsu
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Memories change brain. So could change brain physiology. Dunno if sleep change body physiology. And if it does I imagine it initiates from brain physiology change. Although replacing brain initiation change across long time with instant brains change when spike may have different consequences on body change
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Sleep impacts hormone levels, blood pressure, breathing, your cardiovascular system, and a bunch of other stuff which is beyond the ability of simple memory to effect.
I think we should assume that SC is not going to transfer any physical changes, both because this is what's explained in the rules doc and because poking at SC will get it grue'd.
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Even a jutsu that made it so you only need 4 hours of sleep would be extremely helpful. This seems more in the realm of medical ninjutsu than typical jutsu though, so Hazou may end up needing MedNin to do it after all (assuming Oro didn't achieve it through biosealing)
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The entire concept of Shadow Clone: ==> walk upstairs
it is dark. you are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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Tsunade was able to directly manipulate Mari's brain chemistry to temporarily (as: "a few moments" levels of temporary) knock Mari out of her depression so that they could discuss what was wrong. Tsunade said it was "extremely addictive."
Tsunade likely knows how, but there probably severe drawbacks that keep it from being used with any meaningful amount of regularity.
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I just hurt my own feelings. I was thinking about the sheer amount of social shunning Harumitsu must have gone through. Bastard son of a Hagoromo; raised by a single, civilian mother; stutter and nearsighted, meaning he was likely ignored (because he'd be an obvious future corpse) or tormented by his peers in the Academy (children can be cruel to those obviously different)... And Harumitsu was only adopted into the Hagoromo Clan because Lord Hagoromo didn't want to risk any "real" Hagoromo ninja being influenced by Hazou.
Imagine the first time Harumitsu genuinely believes Hazou when Hazou says that he's proud of him. Harumitsu's going to bawl, and poor Hazou's not going to understand that the thing he gives out freely (respect and acknowledgement) is the very thing that Harumitsu has been craving for as long as he can remember.
Imagine the first time Harumitsu genuinely believes Hazou when Hazou says that he's proud of him. Harumitsu's going to bawl, and poor Hazou's not going to understand that the thing he gives out freely (respect and acknowledgement) is the very thing that Harumitsu has been craving for as long as he can remember.
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Aburame slacking on glasses. Use Noburi's mednin to make lenses from beast eyeballs.
Scary Mednin Speech
Got called to T&I, yes distateful, but when the village needs you it needs you. Rude intel piñata, sorry term of art, rude detainee told me 'loyalty to Konoha tainted my judgement.' Scoff. 'Could not possibly see the world for what it is without walking a mile in his entrails.' Took the barb to heart, long story short, availed myself of many detainee perspectives since then. Iwa shinobi specs are pink tinged. Still a long way to go before seeing eye to eye, but it is a guilty pleasure to review classified documents with Infiltrator reading glasses.
Scary Mednin Speech
Got called to T&I, yes distateful, but when the village needs you it needs you. Rude intel piñata, sorry term of art, rude detainee told me 'loyalty to Konoha tainted my judgement.' Scoff. 'Could not possibly see the world for what it is without walking a mile in his entrails.' Took the barb to heart, long story short, availed myself of many detainee perspectives since then. Iwa shinobi specs are pink tinged. Still a long way to go before seeing eye to eye, but it is a guilty pleasure to review classified documents with Infiltrator reading glasses.
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Why do you think so?
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Various comments have been made throughout the story (I think) which reference the fact that the Hagomoro aren't a single, monolithic, hate-fueled entity. They have more and less moderate factions. I'd be shocked if literally everyone in the clan treated Harumitsu like garbage.
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Trust me reasonable moderate people are super capable of shunning and isolating people. Also does anyone else think Harumitsu might be queer?
Edit: would be nice to have more AMAB non-villainous representation
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Yeah, I've explained before that I fully the Hagoromo to replace Ritsuo as their Clan head.
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Oh, certainly - bystanders are often worse than instigators, but I'd be shocked if his entire life experience was social misery. He's privileged on at least a few axes and a nice enough kid. Going from statistics, he probably has a few friends and people he's friendly with, even if 'the lady that runs the bakery who sometimes gives me a leftover tart' is high up on that list.
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The real question is how high our Deception needs to be leveled before we can instigate this or provide resources to the moderate faction.
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Have Akane be her naturally friendly and supportive self, keep training Harumitsu around Kagome while also introducing Harumitsu to Noburi (more positive masculine role models for Harumitsu), have Mari be around enough that Harumitsu becomes familiar with her ("she's not an evil she-witch, like Ritsuo said... She's Mari?"). Keep being supportive of Harumitsu while he gains confidence and becomes Uplift Aligned (we're his mentor and Uplift is contagious). Eventually, Harumitsu's status as the Hagoromo's only sealmaster will allow him to affect positive change within the Hag Clan. That internal pressure, combined with external societal pressures (Kei, KEI, Goketsu, Nara, and secular marriages breaking their monopoly) will reshape the Hag Clan into a more tolerant and benevolent force for Leaf.
All in-character for Hazou, no deception required. ^.^
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I proposed an idea a while ago that would let us begin doing this. What we lack the most isn't deception, it's information. We don't have any solid information about the inner workings of Hagoromo or other conservative clans.
So the most important thing to do before we can start working on changing their internal politics is to get that information. We can either get it out of Harumitsu ourselves, or we can bring him on an excursion outside of the Hagoromo compound and have Mari 'just happen to drop by' and pump him for information. He doesn't seem to have particularly high socials, so she should be able to get a solid picture of their internal politics without tipping him off.
Then we can use that information to find levers to pull. What is the state of the moderate faction? What do they need the most in order to gain power? What is the state of the conservative faction? Are they just about ready to replace Ritsuo due to incompetence, or are they supporting him with religious fervor as their last remaining hope against the vile depredations of the Gōketsu? All of these questions need answered if we're going to interfere with Hagoromo politics, otherwise we could very well make things worse or get caught.
If we misjudge things badly enough the moderates themselves may very well rat us out to Ritsuo or Asuma.
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Fixed it for you...
Vague memory that hag head said they treat haru well. In a way implying that most clans woulda treated him worse.
And that haru was chosen to learn sealing implies favor. Is possible that he has aptitude for sealing that makes ability trump favor for the choice. But if so we haven't seen anything suggesting Hags knew such an ability.
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We have a big post about them:
And they Hagoromo also lost a Jonin.
Harumitsu being a good sealmaster might convince them that the "Old way" has to go or they just use him to make some money.
Or finding them actual Sage Lore. Good that were asking for some stuff, might as well tell them some of what we find.
Hazou doesn't even have to talk to anyone in person. That's what other people can do (Ino, Mari, Nobby, etc), they don't even have to be part of the clan, as long as they can be considered allies.
Ritsuo isn't going to get kicked out until he fucks up. But:
- We started a war with them after they complained that we violated their religion. And lost.
- Destroyed a heirloom
- Shikamaru attacked him
The best argument that we have is that more "forward thinking" has pretty much won the war. But the Hagoromo could just change their stance that technological progress is acceptable, but "degenerate behavior" is still bad.
Other conservatives might also feel that way. Realistically the other conservatives will also influence them like the Hyuuga, Kurusu, Kyosho and others. So Ritsuo has allies on his own.
And I doubt Mari and/or Ami can just "Social combat" this. The current situation is probably the best they could achieve without total focus (or they don't care, or it's a test for Hazou, or whatever). So we should ask the right questions and not just focus on the Hagoromo alone.
TLDR: Ally with Hinata, give her a scroll, make Hyuuga great again and secretly take over the conservative faction. We do owe her for sending Oro after Cloud and saving Kei.
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Wait, this exists? That changes everything.
We'll still need deeper information if we want a direct dialogue with the moderates. Have to figure out which ones legitimately are trying to reconcile teachings, and which would sell us out if we try to talk to them.
Similar to irl, worsened economic conditions for them have increased their conservatism.
… and we made it worse. Well, this is awkward.
Pretty sure we haven't collapsed this entirely, yet. Our spider silk trade is going to strain them even more, though.
We should identify the strongest moderate leader among the Hagoromo, and make overtures towards him/her, offering to set up a deal to route more of the spider silk trade through the Hagoromo's textile workers. The conservatives will undoubtedly refuse point blank as a matter of pride, which will give moderates the chance to not only paint conservatives as harming the clan's economic prospects, but also the chance to offer a visible and immediate way back to prosperity if they were in charge. Once the moderates gain control, we should work out more deals with them to increase the Hagoromo's income, thus cementing the moderates' power while at the same time tying the Hagoromo to us.
In the meantime, we should continue training Harumitsu, and accelerate his sealing training to make him a primary source of their clan's income as soon as possible. Maybe have him learn a bit from the Jiraiya notes that we released whenever we aren't around? We should obviously continue to get closer to him and get him to become friends with Mari, Snowflake, Kei, etc. Basically what we were planning to do already. But we can also get information on who's in the moderate faction by asking him about his friends in the Hagoromo, or at least who's the most tolerable. If we could influence him to increase his Rapport, that would be invaluable to helping him influence the Hagoromo from within.
And we should absolutely do this as well. Hinata would be an extremely good person to have on our side, especially because if she's against us she can simply undo a lot of our hard work by enriching the Hagoromo herself.
…And because she just seems to be a really nice person and I want to be friends with her.
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Can we just not engage with this line? Dealing with Homophobic Assholes just isn't fun. Especially in a making friend way