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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Velorien said:
The scroll hunt team left some time ago and aren't due back for another two weeks. No one that you know by name was on it.
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With the exception of a Summoner, right? Asuma wanted at least 1 for communication purposes. If it's not any of the Goketsu and it's not an essie/Asuma, it's either Ruri, Aika, or Neji, right? Neji would make sense since he also has Byakugan

(Unless Leaf has a hidden new Summoner!)
 
Shrooms said:
With the exception of a Summoner, right? Asuma wanted at least 1 for communication purposes. If it's not any of the Goketsu and it's not an essie/Asuma, it's either Ruri, Aika, or Neji, right? Neji would make sense since he also has Byakugan

(Unless Leaf has a hidden new Summoner!)
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Not sure about Neji unless the Turtles have a contact with...anyone?
 
@Shrooms I know you're short on space but would it be possible to do a paranoia and ask Mari, Kei, and/or Shikamaru how likely it would be for Shirogane's intel to be a bait?
 
Shrooms said:
[X] Action Plan: Damage Control
Word Count: 280
  • Mari
    • Akane's distraught after her mission. Her self image is shattered, and Hazou's concerned she may be suicidal from guilt.
      • Mari's brought people back from the brink before. Akane needs that right now.
    • Akane's considering leaving the clan, feeling her sins make her unworthy of Uplift.
    • She may need to discover some things for herself, but Mari can help guide her. Hazou knows it.
    • Hazou will be filling Ino in right after this. He'll ask about Mari collaborating with the Yamanaka therapists.
      • Additionally, Hazou's asking Asuma to take her off her upcoming missions. If Hazou needs to take her place, Mari and Noburi may need to run the clan.
  • Ino
    • Your clanmate likely spoke of the mission already, but Akane is facing a crisis of faith, and/or a crisis of identity.
    • Akane believes herself unworthy of being in Goketsu and may be suicidal. She desperately needs support, and seems ashamed to be around Hazou.
      • Can Yamanaka therapists help?
    • Ino, Akane, and Hazou are a team now. Hazou knows Ino will do what she can to help.
    • Express appropriate concern and affection for Ino as well, not just for Akane. Her wellbeing is important too.
  • Asuma
    • Sanity check with Shikamaru, Ino, and Mari
    • Akane has battle shock and is potentially contemplating suicide. Hazou is concerned deploying her on a mission will result in her allowing herself to be killed.
      • This will affect the success of the mission.
    • Is there any way her deployment can be postponed, or canceled?
      • If essential, another Goketsu could take her place. Hazou, if necessary.
      • If not, Hazou would like to go with her.
  • Offscreen: Raise the possibility Shirogane was bait with Mari and the Nara
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Sentient Tree said:
For transportation, we could just have the civilians walk. :D
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In case this reply wasn't facetious, I absolutely do not recommend having the civilians walk. Civvies are slow, vulnerable, and prone to do all sorts of stupid things while we try to save them from (admittedly, afflicted by us) fiery death. We also do not want them to know the route back to their homes so they have no choice but to stay where we put them rather than risking some of the bolder and dumber ones from trying to escape back to their ancestral home.

Furthermore, by knocking out all of the civilians as we apprehend them we have better odds of ensuring no disguised Rock and/or Cloud ninja surprise and ambush us, learn where we take the civilians and then exfiltrate, or simply kill all of the civilians rather than let us have them as we transport the civilians.

Even if this solution saves more lives than letting scorch squads continue as normal, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth since relocation on this magnitude eerily reminds me of the Trail of Tears. Treating even imaginary people essentially as cattle to be used as productively as possible without respecting their agency as people feels too close to accepting MfD!Sasuke's arguments about civilian rights to my sensibilities.

I guess this is what happens when super powers are directly connected to genetics and events progress realistically. Unalienable rights become almost untenable when the dominant minority have otherworldly means of enforcing and ensuring their rulership. We still have to ensure there is a world for a just society to exist in so we have to save the civilians as best we can but we're certainly starting from the bottom in terms of social progress when it comes to universal civilian rights.

On a meta note it's interesting to see MfD reflect Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs in how we (or at least, I) choose which problems have to be solved first.
 
Shrooms said:
think this covers all the bases. not word count optimized and with room to expand if need be

[X] Action Plan: Damage Control
Word Count: 280
  • Mari
    • Akane's distraught after her mission. Her self image is shattered, and Hazou's concerned she may be suicidal from guilt.
      • Mari's brought people back from the brink before. Akane needs that right now.
    • Akane's considering leaving the clan, feeling her sins make her unworthy of Uplift.
    • She may need to discover some things for herself, but Mari can help guide her. Hazou knows it.
    • Hazou will be filling Ino in right after this. He'll ask about Mari collaborating with the Yamanaka therapists.
      • Additionally, Hazou's asking Asuma to take her off her upcoming missions. If Hazou needs to take her place, Mari and Noburi may need to run the clan.
  • Ino
    • Your clanmate likely spoke of the mission already, but Akane is facing a crisis of faith, and/or a crisis of identity.
    • Akane believes herself unworthy of being in Goketsu and may be suicidal. She desperately needs support, and seems ashamed to be around Hazou.
      • Can Yamanaka therapists help?
    • Ino, Akane, and Hazou are a team now. Hazou knows Ino will do what she can to help.
    • Express appropriate concern and affection for Ino as well, not just for Akane. Her wellbeing is important too.
  • Asuma
    • Sanity check with Shikamaru, Ino, and Mari
    • Akane has battle shock and is potentially contemplating suicide. Hazou is concerned deploying her on a mission will result in her allowing herself to be killed.
      • This will affect the success of the mission.
    • Is there any way her deployment can be postponed, or canceled?
      • If essential, another Goketsu could take her place. Hazou, if necessary.
      • If not, Hazou would like to go with her.
  • Offscreen: Raise the possibility Shirogane was bait with Mari and the Nara
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How could Shirogane be a bait?
 
Shrooms said:
think this covers all the bases. not word count optimized and with room to expand if need be

[X] Action Plan: Damage Control
Word Count: 280
  • Mari
    • Akane's distraught after her mission. Her self image is shattered, and Hazou's concerned she may be suicidal from guilt.
      • Mari's brought people back from the brink before. Akane needs that right now.
    • Akane's considering leaving the clan, feeling her sins make her unworthy of Uplift.
    • She may need to discover some things for herself, but Mari can help guide her. Hazou knows it.
    • Hazou will be filling Ino in right after this. He'll ask about Mari collaborating with the Yamanaka therapists.
      • Additionally, Hazou's asking Asuma to take her off her upcoming missions. If Hazou needs to take her place, Mari and Noburi may need to run the clan.
  • Ino
    • Your clanmate likely spoke of the mission already, but Akane is facing a crisis of faith, and/or a crisis of identity.
    • Akane believes herself unworthy of being in Goketsu and may be suicidal. She desperately needs support, and seems ashamed to be around Hazou.
      • Can Yamanaka therapists help?
    • Ino, Akane, and Hazou are a team now. Hazou knows Ino will do what she can to help.
    • Express appropriate concern and affection for Ino as well, not just for Akane. Her wellbeing is important too.
  • Asuma
    • Sanity check with Shikamaru, Ino, and Mari
    • Akane has battle shock and is potentially contemplating suicide. Hazou is concerned deploying her on a mission will result in her allowing herself to be killed.
      • This will affect the success of the mission.
    • Is there any way her deployment can be postponed, or canceled?
      • If essential, another Goketsu could take her place. Hazou, if necessary.
      • If not, Hazou would like to go with her.
  • Offscreen
    • Raise the possibility Shirogane was bait with Mari and the Nara
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It REALLY isn't the time for it, but I will vote for this plan if you include an Ami-style training in it. How about, trying to do Roki in regular life? Like, using constant feints to get around, and also accounting for people reacting to them, making sure nobody gets hurt? Or just consult the Ami style training list, wherever it is

Cariyaga said:
...Alright, this might be a bit paranoid, but.

I think this is bait. A jounin wandering off in a civvie town for "vacation" during a war, with just a couple chuunin for company? They intend to bait us in to attack them, counterambush, and while that's going on, Cloud will hit us.
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faflec said:
Less implausible if he was an oblivious idiot who was given plausible-sounding but ultimately untrue information on the details of the enemy the same way we gave out information on our abilities during the Chunin Exams and for that matter how do we know he's the actual official consort instead of merely thinking he is
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I think any hidden village using up an incredibly rare resource that is a jonin (and he got it of the bomb trap in one piece, he is a jonin) for a chance at a potential fake-out is super unlikely. I think feeding someone false info their whole life, and they're still able to make it to Jonin, is MUCH less likely than just having a jonin who was arrogant. And the odds of them knowing enough about the Yamanaka and Leaf T&I to successfully gauge how it would go... Why do a gambit like that, when you're already arguably winning the war anyway.
 
Halberdier said:
It REALLY isn't the time for it, but I will vote for this plan if you include an Ami-style training in it. How about, trying to do Roki in regular life? Like, using constant feints to get around, and also accounting for people reacting to them, making sure nobody gets hurt? Or just consult the Ami style training list, wherever it is
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(The list is in my signature LOL)

But uh... I am very concerned about Hazou coming across as like not taking this seriously and would prefer not to, in this instance...
Even if its like, "Intentionally bait Asuma into aura blasting you" or something which is probably not a good idea :V
 
Oneiros said:
Literally everyone but Hazō has a summon stationed at the toads
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There are no slugs (as far as we know) and It's still in Pangolin territory.

If we want to get them to move to different territories we should start introducing them on them Human Path (Dog and Toad) to each other.

And maybe we should not try to find 1-2 Toads but a whole ... knot(!?) of Toads, and point out that we can build them a whole compound to live in Dog land (with Cannai's permission obviously). And pay more than random resources.

A random scout dog wants chakra metal just to work for us. Maybe we have to sell them some serious ninjutsu stuff or other crazy exotic things, convincing Asuma to give something big might not be impossible, because having one more summoner for the zoo rush would be helpful.

As for finding summoning scrolls, Noburi can still try to talk to the Capybara. Once Kagome is done with his training some arachnids can go South and we see whats up with the Kangoroo's and Squirrels (or we just go sniff sniff the location).
 
Dictator4Hire said:
Even if this solution saves more lives than letting scorch squads continue as normal, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth since relocation on this magnitude eerily reminds me of the Trail of Tears. Treating even imaginary people essentially as cattle to be used as productively as possible without respecting their agency as people feels too close to accepting MfD!Sasuke's arguments about civilian rights to my sensibilities.
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Wait, how is kidnapping them better at respecting their human rights? Am I missing something?

Edit:
I don't think treating them like inanimate objects is any more moral than treating them like cattle.
 
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Shrooms said:
This doesn't really do anything right now. We already are at the cap of 25, and to uncap it to 30 you need to be within 5 of 25, so a minimum of 20, which we have. It doesn't grant us anything new in sealing because we would need to raise our calligraphy score a bit to match, maybe not depending on rounding. But it only gives a 1 higher TN even if calligraphy were irrelevant.


If we don't know, we may not get the chance to vote in a training plan next cycle.
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Oh, I know raising the sealing one point by itself doesn't do much (though calligraphy isn't necessarily relevant if it's sealing+Earthshaping). I just wanted an alternative plan that invested the XP towards our not-apocalypse stats, and I wanted sealing more than earth shaping in that moment.

And I feel like we're unlikely to get randomly field deployed, given clan head/sealmaster working on important product/high ratio of "valuable target" to "combat strength". But given that the current plan does involve Hazou suggesting himself, you are right we may not get another chance.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Feb 16, 2022 at 8:46 AM, finished with 172 posts and 13 votes.
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Voting is closed.


 
Velorien said:
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Feb 16, 2022 at 8:46 AM, finished with 172 posts and 13 votes.
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Voting is closed.


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For the record:

Due to (A) @Velorien's and my sense of morals and (B) where this quest is hosted, no member of Team Uplift will be okay with forcibly relocating civilians en masse. Villainous / antagonistic / non-admirable characters might propose the idea but Team Uplift will not.
 
eaglejarl said:
For the record:

Due to (A) @Velorien's and my sense of morals and (B) where this quest is hosted, no member of Team Uplift will be okay with forcibly relocating civilians en masse. Villainous / antagonistic / non-admirable characters might propose the idea but Team Uplift will not.
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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does encouraging willing immigration count under that (i.e. it's best to drop the subject entirely), or is it only a problem if they're unwilling?
 
Sentient Tree said:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does encouraging willing immigration count under that (i.e. it's best to drop the subject entirely), or is it only a problem if they're unwilling?
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I don't think we can meaningfully encourage immigration. I don't believe civilians have that much choice/would be safe from retaliation(And they know it).

EDIT: At least not during war time.
 
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