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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I think Asuma's actions can make sense for at least three reasons:
- This one's pure speculation on my part, but "making strong Leaf ninja 'wade through rivers of blood' might give us new jōnin or even a new Jiraiya"
- He's really irrational about destroying them, because as a strong ninja he's severely messed up and they attacked so they must be consumed
- He wants to destroy them because he's not incredibly powerful but must absolutely answer a threat and he has to step up both for "otherwise Leaf will get trampled" and for "I must be as strong as Gramps" reasons
Also, now would be a good time to talk to Shikamaru about this "don't destroy the Rock thinker clan" thing. If not to know more because of the possible infohazard or memetohazard, at least to help figure out how to spare them since that seems to be of prime importance.
- This one's pure speculation on my part, but "making strong Leaf ninja 'wade through rivers of blood' might give us new jōnin or even a new Jiraiya"
- He's really irrational about destroying them, because as a strong ninja he's severely messed up and they attacked so they must be consumed
- He wants to destroy them because he's not incredibly powerful but must absolutely answer a threat and he has to step up both for "otherwise Leaf will get trampled" and for "I must be as strong as Gramps" reasons
Also, now would be a good time to talk to Shikamaru about this "don't destroy the Rock thinker clan" thing. If not to know more because of the possible infohazard or memetohazard, at least to help figure out how to spare them since that seems to be of prime importance.
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You mean this part?:
Because we already asked him multiple favors before and he expects us to function like everyone else. "Akane being a liabilty" is just another time we ask him for help/favors, that's just another problem for him. And if asked Akane would disagree that she is a problem.
If it's just a simple border patrol than she can just go. But usually you don't go on "Border patrol" between two countries (non of which belongs to us) like this if it's not important.
Which makes Akane more important to go on that mission? If a non-jonin can help defeat a jonin thats good, not bad.
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Also, a thing to note for those suggesting Hazou replace Akane: our Athletics, taijutsu and alertness are all 10 less than hers. That's a pretty substantial gap. That's about half the difference between ranks. So I think that it would be a suggestion that would be sentimentally meaningful, but also if Yuno expects us to be at Akane's power level, that's how mistakes are made. Not the we still can't fill that role, but I think the fight against that Jonin would have gone different if we were there instead of Akane.
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To steal a phrase I saw EJ use once, "I don't agree and I don't know how to make my position any clearer."
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I'm aware of that. The upside is that we were already planning on leveling chakra capacity. The only xp that we are really spending is the 5 for physique 30. I for one think that price is one that is worth paying for the opportunity to learn more about sage mode. If Ma and Pa now say to Noburi that he needs a bit more brawn and chakra, we know that we are on the right track. If they say something else, well, at least we have a better idea what to go for in the future and we've only "lost" 5 xp.
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Why don't we just go to Shikamaru with our concerns? He is the head strategist after all, but still closer to our peer than our superior. He has input in mission rosters.
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The mission is already scheduled so I'm not sure it's up to him. We can still get his input, though.
What about this?
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OK?
But your plan simply doesn't consider anything about Asuma simply disagreeing. Your plans goal is just to replace her, instead of anything else, like adding a new member to hopefully help her not feeling like shit.
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Probably should start by saying we believe her depression will likely impact mission performance. That's what Asuma cares about. If he had the time to care about every nin who's likely to die because of depression, Kei/Snowflake's girlfriend wouldn't have died.
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That's more or less what was intended by the line "Hazou is concerned deploying her on a mission will result in her allowing herself to be killed." but you're right that it should be made much more explicit.
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I agree with the sentiment that we need to address the root causes of Akane's and Asuma's concerns. Any solutions we put forth have to help us achieve Leaf's war goals otherwise Asuma will shut them down but embracing full scorched earth efforts won't help Akane's completely understandable issues.
In light of this information we need to talk to Asuma about how we could start to phase out the need to include killing civilians in scorch squad tactics. Between Ino, Noburi, or even Oro/Kabuto we might be able to find a way to mass incapacitate groups of foreign civilians for relocation to somewhere away from the fighting to save their lives and hopefully turn them into productive Fire civilians in due time. For transport we might be able to reconfigure Dog sleds and contract temporarily with multiple Dogs to move all of the unconscious people (mass transportation of civilians might be something we should develop for saving our own rural Fire citizens from reprisal scorch squads (this is the first time in a long time I've regretted giving up on Zeppelin research)).
We can at least rely on Shikamaru to support us in advocating for saving innocent lives so humanity as a whole slows its descent into complete destruction. Hopefully we can help with the planning for abducting the 6 jonin. Perhaps we could sell the idea of relocating civilians as a diversion to flush out the jonin for other Leaf squads to intercept and capture.
If we do meet with Ino soon though we need to make sure to ask about her clanmate's wellbeing. It would be rude not to and would set a bad precedent if we only focus on our own people and concerns. No one likes having a selfish partner only looking out for themselves and their interests at the expense of their SO. Sure we have a whole clan to think about but she does too so the same golden rule of reciprocation still applies.
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Sure. If our sanity checker disagree than he should just not do it.
[X] Action Plan: Damage Control
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For transportation, we could just have the civilians walk.
Cariyaga
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...Alright, this might be a bit paranoid, but.
I think this is bait. A jounin wandering off in a civvie town for "vacation" during a war, with just a couple chuunin for company? They intend to bait us in to attack them, counterambush, and while that's going on, Cloud will hit us.
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Just a heads-up, but because plans get reset after each voting cycle, this plan got cut and you are the first person to vote for it (in this cycle). If it wins, Velorien will read it and find your post, NOT the original one which you intend to vote for.
Man, the Tsuchikage's a cold motherfucker to have sacrificed one of her own Jonin-level clansmen for this bait (imagine her reaction if Akane and Yuno had accidentally killed him). Not to mention the amount of time it would have taken for Shirogane to have honestly believed all of this shit, made doubly so that he would have needed to be strong (and socially skilled) enough to not trip any of our red flags in it having been too easy...
It's fucked up, so I believe it.
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I don't think that's worth giving up the extent of the abilities of so many of their ninja tbh
I do like the big brain nature of this paranoia though
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How do we know that the information is true?
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I assume the Yamanaka don't suck at their jobs mostly. How do you even hide something from them?
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By giving the ninja you're sacrificing the wrong information.