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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Lailoken said:
Screw that, by the time we're done there will be plenty of dragon giblets to go around.

Hey, since there is already a sealmaster on site, y'know who would make a better arachnid summoner?

That ninjutsu hacker. Conditional on her joining the clan, of course.
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The same ninjutsu hacker that got piss drunk and broke into Hazou's office? Hard pass on that one. Working with her would be a nightmare. She might be an asset to the clan after a year of recovery. We don't have the time to indulge her for the Dragon problem.
Lailoken said:
Potentially interesting thought: what if part of reconciliation with Naruto was an offer to trade? Hazou takes on the bijuuship and he gets to be free and even be a summoner like his father figures?
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Pretty sure being a jinchuuriki is far more prestigious than being a summoner in MfD. So he has no reason to agree to this. Also the last bijuu extraction we know of ended with the death of the jinchuuriki in question. I think Naruto would, rightly IMO, perceive this offer as a threat rather than an equitable trade. We don't need to give him more reasons to kill us. He already has plenty.
ContextBot said:
They don't have to spread any rumors, the Hyuuga are funding the Church of Youth and if Neji gets additional food from the Turtle Clan than they look like the good guys.

Meanwhile the Hagoromo tell everyone that we are to blame for crashing the economy. And sadly one of the few things we really have going for us was the trust of the civilian population.

No wonder @Lailoken thinks Hinata is evil.
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The only clan we know of giving food to Leaf is the Monkey Clan, and tbh we kind of did crash the economy. Even if the Hags caused it intentionally it was only a matter of time before Mari and Gaku's fucked up monetary policy did it organically, except we would have made even more scrip by them.

I don't understand the Hyuuga hate in the thread, as far as I can tell, Hinata had nothing to do with the bank run. If she is receiving food from the Turtles and giving it away via the Church of Youth that is a good thing, we should not criticize her for doing good things. Even if they are things we would have wanted to do first.
 
ContextBot said:
They don't have to spread any rumors, the Hyuuga are funding the Church of Youth and if Neji gets additional food from the Turtle Clan than they look like the good guys.

Meanwhile the Hagoromo tell everyone that we are to blame for crashing the economy. And sadly one of the few things we really have going for us was the trust of the civilian population.

No wonder @Lailoken thinks Hinata is evil.
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Shit. I didn't even think of that angle.


Sir Stompy said:
The same ninjutsu hacker that got piss drunk and broke into Hazou's office? Hard pass on that one. Working with her would be a nightmare. She might be an asset to the clan after a year of recovery. We don't have the time to indulge her for the Dragon problem.

Pretty sure being a jinchuuriki is far more prestigious than being a summoner in MfD. So he has no reason to agree to this. Also the last bijuu extraction we know of ended with the death of the jinchuuriki in question. I think Naruto would, rightly IMO, perceive this offer as a threat rather than an equitable trade. We don't need to give him more reasons to kill us. He already has plenty.

The only clan we know of giving food to Leaf is the Monkey Clan, and tbh we kind of did crash the economy. Even if the Hags caused it intentionally it was only a matter of time before Mari and Gaku's fucked up monetary policy did it organically, except we would have made even more scrip by them.

I don't understand the Hyuuga hate in the thread, as far as I can tell, Hinata had nothing to do with the bank run. If she is receiving food from the Turtles and giving it away via the Church of Youth that is a good thing, we should not criticize her for doing good things. Even if they are things we would have wanted to do first.
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You ever hear the one about the economist who saw a $100 bill on the ground and didn't bother to stop and pick it up because they assumed that if it were real somebody already would have?

Any acquisition is going to take effort. That doesn't mean that there aren't acquisitions waiting out there because everybody with capital is too invested in the status quo to notice them.
 
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Sir Stompy said:
The only clan we know of giving food to Leaf is the Monkey Clan
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eaglejarl said:
"The Summoner network is being tapped for food purchases,"
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Akane just talked about Enma, that doesn't mean the others aren't helping out, or are going to.

In general I am mostly talking about possible propaganda, we didn't even know until now that there are starving civilians around. We aren't the most well informed clan head.

Sir Stompy said:
I don't understand the Hyuuga hate in the thread, as far as I can tell, Hinata had nothing to do with the bank run. If she is receiving food from the Turtles and giving it away via the Church of Youth that is a good thing, we should not criticize her for doing good things. Even if they are things we would have wanted to do first.
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If you ask me personally, I don't hate the Hyuuga, just commenting about the possibility about their involvement and that they might be using this to make themselves look better.

And we can also help the Church of Youth, just ask Cannai if the Dogs can help out with food or perhaps the fur from dead animals.

I still blame @eaglejarl for killing Hiashi, he was such a great Hokage.
 
Am I allowed to make plans or do I have to be a part of a club? Eh, whatever
[X] Action Plan: Re-Befriending Naruto for Power and Not Dying
  • Arrange meeting with Naruto
    • Maybe have Akane talking on the way over?
  • Brief him on important recent events (unless he already knows everything)
    • Explain about the Dragons
      • Why they are so dangerous if out of control
    • The Enormous Seal
      • Why Hazou is currently hospitalized and the current project
  • Suggest becoming a summoner
    • Give location and type of one or more scrolls
    • Describe benefits of Summoner network
    • It'll help defeat the Dragons
    • Arrange the quest to get it later
  • Now for the main apology
    • Apologize for the whole treason plan thing
      • CCnJ
      • Explain that the group dynamics Hazou is used to involves him making unfiltered ideas and relying on teammates to put them down
      • The plan isn't actually serious; It's a sign of trust that incomplete and stupid ideas are presented to be destroyed
      • Apologize for not being considerate of how it would sound and how someone would normally react
      • Ask for ways to be properly penitent/what does Naruto want from me to properly apologize
    • Express sadness that we weren't able to properly bond together with Jiraiya
      • He was important to all of us
      • He rescued us from sad, isolated missing nin lifestyle
      • You're our brother (via transitive property or something) and we want to get along
    • Express desire to be friends and sibs(by transitive property)

Please leave suggestions on how to better this plan

I did not know that Naruto was forbidden to be a summoner. This plan is mostly dead now. If we want, we can add the apology to a more practical plan
 
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TigerBoyd said:
Suggest becoming a summoner
  • Give location and type of one or more scrolls
  • Describe benefits of Summoner network
  • It'll help defeat the Dragons
  • Arrange the quest to get it later
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Jiraiya forbade Naruto from ever becoming a summoner for presumably lore-related reasons. Also, just in general, Hazou is unlikely to be Naruto's favourite person right now because he thinks we crashed the economy.
 
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TigerBoyd said:
Now for the main apology
  • Apologize for the whole treason plan thing
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I'd probably want to workshop this whole thing Mari, Ami, Kei, and any other social ninja we know over the course of several updates. At the very least, I'd like to have Ami and Kei both in the room when we do this to serve as mediators (Naruto and Hazou both respect the two sisters). However, Kei is unlikely to be able to focus clearly enough to help us on this matter until after we help resolve the conflict between her and Mari (and this likely applies to Mari as well, perhaps doubly so since her social isolation is beginning to grind away at her soul).

I think that the best tactic with regard to swaying Naruto to the side of "please don't fantasize about murdering us in our sleep" is to do what we've been doing: keep doing our damnedest to benefit Leaf, Uplift the civilians, and try to be as consistent on those two fronts as humanly possible...

Unfortunately, between the Second Killbox Incident and our Goketsu Scrip Fuck Up, I imagine Naruto's thinking about reasonable excuses that would allow him to kill us. Fortunately, Hazou's importance in fighting the Omnicidal Dragons (combined with Asuma and Ami's general positive disposition towards us) means that Naruto can't touch Hazou at the moment (even Naruto's political weight is outmatched by the threat of Eldritch Monsters that Will Eat Us All).

In general though, I am in favor of trying to get Naruto to like Hazou again. Naruto seems to be a good person and a great friend, and the fact that he genuinely seems to be friends with Kei speaks to his benefit. But between Isan, the Dragons, the Bank Run, and now needing to begin thinking about how we should go about mending bridges between Mari and Keiko, I am a bit leery of adding another pressing sidequest to our collective plates.
 
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Personal opinion we should stay as far away from Naruto as possible. He is one of the people who can potentially ruin our ascension to godhood. Until we have at least some countermeasures best to leave him alone
 
[] Proto-Plan: Remove Curse, Cast as a Ritual
  • Organise a public gathering.
  • Keiko summons a pangolin cleric, and has them ritually purify Yuno of her curse to the best of their ability at purifying people of curses.
    • There almost certainly isn't a curse on Yuno, but showing Isan that any curses that might have been on her have now been removed is the point of the exercise.
  • Yuno, Mari, Kei's natural intellect, and Frozen-Skein, optimise this ceremony. Brief the cleric beforehand to make sure they don't do a faux-pas.
 
TigerBoyd said:
Am I allowed to make plans or do I have to be a part of a club? Eh, whatever
[X] Action Plan: Re-Befriending Naruto for Power and Not Dying
  • Arrange meeting with Naruto
    • Maybe have Akane talking on the way over?
  • Brief him on important recent events (unless he already knows everything)
    • Explain about the Dragons
      • Why they are so dangerous if out of control
    • The Enormous Seal
      • Why Hazou is currently hospitalized and the current project
  • Suggest becoming a summoner
    • Give location and type of one or more scrolls
    • Describe benefits of Summoner network
    • It'll help defeat the Dragons
    • Arrange the quest to get it later
  • Now for the main apology
    • Apologize for the whole treason plan thing
      • CCnJ
      • Explain that the group dynamics Hazou is used to involves him making unfiltered ideas and relying on teammates to put them down
      • The plan isn't actually serious; It's a sign of trust that incomplete and stupid ideas are presented to be destroyed
      • Apologize for not being considerate of how it would sound and how someone would normally react
      • Ask for ways to be properly penitent/what does Naruto want from me to properly apologize
    • Express sadness that we weren't able to properly bond together with Jiraiya
      • He was important to all of us
      • He rescued us from sad, isolated missing nin lifestyle
      • You're our brother (via transitive property or something) and we want to get along
    • Express desire to be friends and sibs(by transitive property)
Please leave suggestions on how to better this plan
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I agree with @Oneiros

We should stay away from Naruto as far as possible. Also, Naruto can't become a summoner.
 
So we have the Takahashi, Yoshida, and random outcasts on our side, while the Azai, the Aida, and the Inoue oppose us. The Kannagi might come around, as well as the Motoyoshi if we offer medical goodies (and perhaps implement @MadScientist 's idea to remove Yuno's curse so they agree to work with us). Which clans does that leave up in the air?
 
Shrooms said:
So we have the Takahashi, Yoshida, and random outcasts on our side, while the Azai, the Aida, and the Inoue oppose us. The Kannagi might come around, as well as the Motoyoshi if we offer medical goodies (and perhaps implement @MadScientist 's idea to remove Yuno's curse so they agree to work with us). Which clans does that leave up in the air?
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Murasaki, the Motoyoshi are in Leaf. No idea what we need to get them on our side, they can get madical stuff from other places.

We don't really know why Yuno is "cursed", we should just ask.

The only other clan that has a name are the Gasai, the clan with the kid that tried to kill Akane and Yuno's blood relatives.
 
We tried to offer medical goodies. It was rejected because it's not Isan and Noburi refused to sell out his wife to appease an elder.

MadScientist said:
[] Proto-Plan: Remove Curse, Cast as a Ritual
  • Organise a public gathering.
  • Keiko summons a pangolin cleric, and has them ritually purify Yuno of her curse to the best of their ability at purifying people of curses.
    • There almost certainly isn't a curse on Yuno, but showing Isan that any curses that might have been on her have now been removed is the point of the exercise.
  • Yuno, Mari, Kei's natural intellect, and Frozen-Skein, optimise this ceremony. Brief the cleric beforehand to make sure they don't do a faux-pas.
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I don't think a Pangolin scam will work without understanding culturally exactly what is Yuno's curse.
 
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MadScientist said:
[] Proto-Plan: Remove Curse, Cast as a Ritual
  • Organise a public gathering.
  • Keiko summons a pangolin cleric, and has them ritually purify Yuno of her curse to the best of their ability at purifying people of curses.
    • There almost certainly isn't a curse on Yuno, but showing Isan that any curses that might have been on her have now been removed is the point of the exercise.
  • Yuno, Mari, Kei's natural intellect, and Frozen-Skein, optimise this ceremony. Brief the cleric beforehand to make sure they don't do a faux-pas.
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Maybe add a line about "leveraging Isan symbology and traditions" and maybe consulting someone other than Yuno about what those would be. Sure, Yuno's a native of Isan and has all the insight that a random person would have (minus whatever was kept from her due to her isolation), but if we're going to dive into theological ceremonies then we need to make sure that we dot our "i"s and cross our "t"s because it'll be an uphill battle.

Luckily, Kei is in a religiously significant position for Isan, much in the way that the Hag is for Leaf. However, the Hag leveraged their religious authority for personal gain (rather blatantly) as well as coming up with a pointlessly cruel wedding ceremony for Yuno. Their blatant disregard for scripture/traditions/practices have likely undermined their authority within Leaf.

So let's try to find someone with the proper knowledge for the ceremony (to help keep it less blatant and more in line with Isan's scripture) but who is also sympathetic enough to lend their help.
 
RandomOTP said:
So let's try to find someone with the proper knowledge for the ceremony (to help keep it less blatant and more in line with Isan's scripture) but who is also sympathetic enough to lend their help.
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I am fairly certain there is no ceremony for the purification that Yuno would need. Yuno was beyond redemption as far as Isan is concerned. We could come up with a ceremony based on less severe purification ceremonies though. Not sure how we justify having a Pangolin do it. Since basically all of Isan culture was invented after they lost contact with Pangolins.

Edit: Assuming purification ceremonies exist at all, they might not. It would be weird, but Isan is pretty weird.
 
So before we count the Yoshida as being on board, does Keiko know that the Yoshida seem to be asking for before we agree to the terms?
 
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Need to ask Keiko about food. Also, we should acquire ice to trade for food, since it's currently abundant where we live.
 
Shrooms said:
Leaf's medical skills are unparalleled thanks to Tsunade. While it's true that they can get medical ninjutsu elsewhere, they'd be giving up their chance at the best there is
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True, Yuno called Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Orochimaru "Asura" in her mind. To her, they were less "people" and more "minor gods," or "forces of nature."

I wonder if Yuno came to that conclusion after she left Isan, or if Isan has heard of the Three? They had legends and myths if medical ninjutsu, after all. Makes sense that they might've heard hints of rumors of S-rankers.

Because "Asura" seems awfully definitive to give to someone, and not a title to be given lightly.

(Though, I suppose it's possible --if less interesting --that Yuno may simply be more mythically-minded than we are, and came to that conclusion on her own after entering Leaf)
 
Should we bring the Yoshida Clan in on discussing the Great Seal? Maybe via letters, with copies of the Great Seal (and copies of the transcripts of the Leaf Sealing Team discussions) being forwarded to them?

They have a unique sealing style that's developed in isolation for centuries. Even Kagome said that, while their raw skill is questionable, their approach/perspective is stated to be unique and thought-provoking for both Hazou and Kagome (which may result an an Aspect worth tagging)

Might be worth bringing up with Asuma. The Yoshida might be more dedicated to/proactive wrt settling a Leaf/Isan alliance if they knew that the Leaf is the only one dealing with the Dragons.

(We should talk to Kei and Kagome to see if they're okay with the agreement. Kagome seems paranoid about Isan, but also extremely intellectually curious about the Yoshida's approach to sealing. And Kei wants to protect Isan's cultural independence already, but assuming the title of "Yoshida Clan Agent" may be a bit much for her. And we should ask Kei to think about it before answering. Her guilt regarding the Condors, turmoil regarding Mari, and rightful protectiveness of Isan's independence may lead her to recklessly commiting herself to be an instrument of another.)
 
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Hey, question?

Why is Leaf the only village dealing with the Dragons? This is kind of an "all hands on deck, the universe is gonna blow" situation, and we already have precedent for multi-village cooperation on those.
 
RandomOTP said:
Should we bring the Yoshida Clan in on discussing the Great Seal? Maybe via letters, with copies of the Great Seal (and copies of the transcripts of the Leaf Sealing Team discussions) being forwarded to them?
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I've been suggesting this for a while. Luckily you made a much more elegant argument than I did. Thank you
 
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