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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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ok so remember cannon Tenten's huge ass scroll that is full of weapons?

the idea is to make a enormous sealing scroll that is both full of kawarimi targets and releases those targets all over the place, while making these targets small enough that they are useable only to someone who bothered to level up kawarimi to level 50 or something. seeing as nobody else has to my knowledge ever had reason to train their kawarimi skill to that high a level, Hazo would basically be able to go full Yellow flash with no real way of stopping him. I shall call this seal ''The rich man's yellow flash''
 
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I would also like to propose a new stunt

Stunt: ''X'' Throughout The Shifts
Through a mix of proficiency and Outer path corruption. Hazō was able hang on to his knowledge of this jutsu after it was shifted.

Cost: 250 XP
Prereq: ''X'' jutsu at level 30 or higher, Outer Path corruption at ''Be a Kurosawa who tried to read a Summoning Scroll'' level or higher.

1. allows Hazō to retain knowledge of the selected jutsu even after it has been subject to a Shift.
2. if the jutsu still exists in some way shape or form (IE was turned from a D-rank spacetime jutsu into a SS-rank spacetime jutsu) then Hazō retains the same level of proficieny that he had with the jutsu in it's previous form.
 
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Hazō sat in silence for a few minutes, pondering his next move. He'd decided against using the Iron Nerve for this kind of thing, just in case it backfired and he ended up like Mari-sensei. But what did you do in the face of a psychotic monster who'd stymied all your attempts at diplomacy and ended up with him just being mean-spirited again?
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Interesting when taken out of context and put into a more recent one lol.
 
This latest encounter with yet more S-rank opponents only proves to me that we need to drastically boost our own combat prowess ASAP. Even if we can't actually beat opponents of that level we should at least become competent enough to hold them off for reinforcements or get away. That can wait a few updates though, we still have to deal with Asuma.

Imo, withholding the truth about contacting Akatsuki will only hurt us more later. Asuma has already indicated Hazo is a valuable source of new seals and other weaponized tactics, so I don't think Asuma will order him to be executed. Nonetheless, even the lightest punishment is going to hurt, since contacting Akatsuki, even under Hyuga, is basically treason.

I'm not sure whether we should go to Mist at this point or not. It shouldn't change the discussion with Asuma too much one way or another though (depending on what ends up happening there), it'll just make the debrief longer. I would structure the inevitable debrief with Asuma like this.

  • Hand over written debrief detailing the specifics of the mission, as well as Porcupine scroll, in case he doesn't let us finish.
  • Tell Asuma that we cannot properly debrief without making a confession
    • Explain that Hazo alone ordered a message to be sent to Akatsuki on the basis of protecting Leaf
      • Do not directly challenge the authority of Asuma, repeatedly emphasize that we are utterly at his disposal. All actions were taken out of concern for Leaf. Akatsuki was contacted specifically because we were concerned Leaf was not strong enough to fend off attackers (do not pin this on Hyuga). Rock attack only seems to emphasize this point further. We were able to confirm that Akatsuki is not interested in defending Leaf, but has no hostilities either. We admit that in hindsight this was way riskier than it was worth, and even though it ended up being harmless, was still a mistake, especially since we didn't ask first. Confessing is our attempt to make amends for this error. Also emphasize that Akatsuki killed Jiraiya, and you in no way sympathize with their murderous ways, since they took your new father from you.
        • If he asks why we didn't ask for permission first, say if Akatsuki responded poorly it wouldn't reflect on Leaf or on the Hokage at the time, and only we would take the fall. Itachi could see that this was true with his eyes.
          • If he asks if our opinion of Hyuga also influenced our decision, come clean and say it was a factor. We considered it imperative to check in on Akatsuki given how weak Leaf was after the battle, and were afraid that bringing this up with Hyuga would be an excuse to brand us traitors and execute all of us, which would not be for the benefit of Leaf.
      • Explain we are willing to accept any punishment that Asuma proposes, but please don't do anything that will ultimately hurt Leaf (find some subtle way to hint that that means taking us out of action) because ultimately defending the Will of Fire is what matters to all of us, and that we trust he will make the right call.
  • Assuming Asuma doesn't just immediately kill or imprison us, proceed with verbal debrief of trip and of Akatsuki encounter. Indicate that at the very least, the two members you met have taken a much more passive role compared to what they were doing before, and will seek to resurrect their leader Nagato before doing anything else.
  • Don't bring up the contest during this discussion unless asked, it would just be insulting.
  • Ask Asuma how Goketsu can be more useful for capturing the 3 unleashed Tailed Beasts. They should be reforming soon and it is imperative Leaf captures at least one of them. We can assume Asuma is planning for this, and do not yet need specifics of his plans, but he can tell us how we can help him do so.
Assuming we play our cards right here, Asuma will be very upset but will acknowledge the Goketsu are too useful not to keep around. We'll be in the doghouse for quite a while, but hopefully will get more chances to prove ourselves, such as through the contest and through the potential acquisition of a Tailed Beast jinchuriki. I do not think it is possible to avoid Asuma finding out (if he doesn't already know), and I do not think it is possible to explain our discussion with Akatsuki without him being angry about it. We need to prove to him that we will obey his authority as Hokage and are not a threat to Leaf through a submissive tone that subtly plays up our importance to protecting Leaf, but that doesn't mean he will be happy with us.
 
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ok so remember cannon Tenten's huge ass scroll that is full of weapons?

the idea is to make a enormous sealing scroll that is both full of kawarimi targets and releases those targets all over the place, while making these targets small enough that they are useable only to someone who bothered to level up kawarimi to level 50 or something. seeing as nobody else has to my knowledge ever had reason to train their kawarimi skill to that high a level, Hazo would basically be able to go full Yellow flash with no real way of stopping him. I shall call this seal ''The rich man's yellow flash''
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I don't think this is likely to get Kawarimi grue'd. It seems pretty reasonable to me, although I suspect that a fair number of people have good enough kawarimi levels to use it since I'm pretty sure it also gives them a bonus to dodges. This sounds like a good seal to make as a follow up to Poor Man's Yellow Flash.
 
I don't think this is likely to get Kawarimi grue'd. It seems pretty reasonable to me, although I suspect that a fair number of people have good kawarimi levels since I'm pretty sure it also gives them a bonus to dodges. This sounds like a good seal to make as a follow up to Poor Man's Yellow Flash.
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The Rich man's yellow flash would result in a probably around 100 meter or so radius where Hazou can teleport instantaneously to any point in that radius with no lag between teleports. There is a good reason why Minato in cannon was classified as run on sight in the bingo books.
 
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This latest encounter with yet more S-rank opponents only proves to me that we need to drastically boost our own combat prowess ASAP. Even if we can't actually beat opponents of that level we should at least become competent enough to hold them off for reinforcements or get away. That can wait a few updates though, we still have to deal with Asuma.
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You're late to the party, bro, and Hazo didn't do this alone. It's a family wide treason.
 
xilios2000 said:
The Rich man's yellow flash would result in a probably around 100 meter or so radius where Hazou can teleport instantaneously to any point in that radius with no lag between teleports. There is a good reason why Minato in cannon was classified as run on sight in the bingo books.
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It does create plenty of targets for kawarimi, but we're still limited to 2 supplemental actions per turn, so only up to 2 kawarimis per turn (I think? I'm not the best with the rules, but that's my understanding). It's definitely useful, but I don't think it's game breaking in the way that better action economy would be, nor annoying to the QMs like Henge was. If anything, it would be pretty darn cool to write combat with, so I doubt that Eaglejarl would want it gone, and I can't see anything obvious that would make Velorien want to remove it.

It should even be relatively straightforward for us to create. We can make a seal that combines the delayed activation of Poor Man's Yellow Flash with the 'chewing' and velocity adding features of a Macerator, set it to fairly low stress so it doesn't chew up hard objects, then load it with a box of kunai or metal balls. The hard part would be to make it so that the kunai/balls get shot out in different directions instead of all in the same direction.

Overall, it seems like a cool seal to try researching once we get some extra time.
 
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Also: the grue doesn't exist as a balance mechanism. The QMs aren't out to take away OP things, unless it's implausible for us to be the first ones to have that idea, in which case it's either not that OP, it already exists, or it's not possible to begin with.

An example of the QMs 'maintaining balance' is the concept of kawarimi nukes. See, it used to be the case that momentum was swapped along with position, so if you were running and swapped with a stationary object, it would be moving and you would be stationary. We realized that if you swapped with something half your weight it would be moving twice as fast, and that high levels of Substitution let you swap with very small objects. Thus if you were to run at ninja speed and substitute with a nearby rock 1/1000 your mass, the rock would shoot from your position at 1000 times your velocity.

The QMs decided that if this was possible, some random ninja would have discovered it long before we did. So they reworked Substitution and now it doesn't work that way. It was not, however, because they didn't want us shooting rocks at our enemies at ludicrous velocities.

An example of when the QMs do let us keep the shiny is Skywalkers. They're so OP they turn ninja combat on its head. The kind of prize that nations would pay anything for, including letting missing-nin into their ranks and giving them a seat on the Clan Council. The QMs let us keep it because, in contrast with kawarimi nukes, it was totally plausible that Hazou was the first person to take an Air Dome and turn it upside down and stand on it. And so we get a shiny that changed the course of the story.

So don't worry about whether a trick is too OP, just worry about whether it's too OP for its observed absence in conventional ninja tactics.
 
yeah now that I think about it, Hazou was seemingly the first to think of using something like the poor man's yellow flash. so we might get to keep the rich man's yellow flash. possible S-rank status here we come
 
xilios2000 said:
yeah now that I think about it, Hazou was seemingly the first to think of using something like the poor man's yellow flash. so we might get to keep the rich man's yellow flash. possible S-rank status here we come
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I can see it now...

Poor Man's Yellow Flash --> Rich Man's Yellow Flash --> Minato's Yellow Flash Revived --> Limit Break: Yellow Flash
 
xilios2000 said:
ok so remember cannon Tenten's huge ass scroll that is full of weapons?

the idea is to make a enormous sealing scroll that is both full of kawarimi targets and releases those targets all over the place, while making these targets small enough that they are useable only to someone who bothered to level up kawarimi to level 50 or something. seeing as nobody else has to my knowledge ever had reason to train their kawarimi skill to that high a level, Hazo would basically be able to go full Yellow flash with no real way of stopping him. I shall call this seal ''The rich man's yellow flash''
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Mechanically, this gives us up to 2 off-turn Substitutions per turn. That means, up to twice per round, when we're attacked we can add 1/2 Substitution to our Athletics roll to dodge (+20 @Sub: 40). Unfortunately, there's no mechanical bonus to attacks from Substituting. Plausibly, the QMs could say that saturating an area in targets, then substituting into an enemy's blind spot constitutes an Aspect that we can invoke (+5 right now, maybe up to +8 or +9), but I doubt it would give a massive bonus. After all, Substitution isn't teleportation, it's just enchanced movement.

Additionally, this costs 28 CP per round. If we end up with Taijutsu 70 (arbitrary), we burn 40 CP a round on boost. Less than that if we want to use Pantokrator's Hammer, but that consumes Substitution Supplementals. In total, 68 CP/round is a hefty cost.

At Substitution level 40, we can Substitute with targets as low as .2% of our weight. Assuming Hazou ends up super buff and weighs ~100kg, that means he can substitute with targets as low as 200g. At that level, I don't think we'll ever have any trouble finding targets - various objects and furniture indoors, and even small rocks outdoors would qualify.

Looking at it in-universe, Substitution is a skill known by literally everyone, and no doubt most jounin have at least 40 Substitution for the incredibly valuable use of Substituting with thrown kunai, nevermind the +20 on demand to dodge. I expect that if this were an S-rank trick, someone would have thought of it by now.
 
We should get the ANBU records of their basement dive

edit: made a wiki page for ongoing goketsu tasks for easier collaboration. mostly copied huhyeahgoodpoint's post, with some additions
edit2: added link
 
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Interlude: Kagome Safety Lecture Series XII, “Never Let Another Sealmaster Mess With Your Prototypes”
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    • Interlude: Kagome Safety Lecture Series XII, "Never Let Another Sealmaster Mess With Your Prototypes"​

    "G'morning, Hayasaka", Yūgen's fellow materials reinforcement researcher greeted him.

    "Hey, Yukimoto."

    Yūgen was excited about today. After weeks of prototyping, this would be the day his One-Seal Barrier completed its final live test. Fame and fortune, or at least peer recognition and increased funding, were mere minutes away. He reached for the prototype…

    "Oh, Hayasaka, I fixed an error for you."

    Yūgen bristled. Meddling with other people's prototype seals was just not done, especially not among the old guard, who'd grown up with the cast-iron safety rules that young people nowadays treated as mere good advice.

    "You misaligned the thirteenth stroke of the Imagawa Converter," Yukimoto explained apologetically. "Didn't want you to waste all your hard work."

    It was always the Imagawa Converter.

    "Thanks, Yukimoto," Yūgen said reluctantly. "I guess I'll buy you a drink after work."

    Yukimoto gave him an affable smile and went back to his own tinkering.

    Yūgen, after the requisite hour spent setting up protections (old guard), reached for the seal with trembling hands. A line of career-determining chakra sped down his arm, into the ink, and—

    "Aaargh!"

    The wave of force bypassed all the barriers in the way as if they were curtains to be swept aside, and slammed him hard in the chest, knocking him backward against the rear wall. He froze on the spot, watching for secondary effects.

    "You all right there, Hayasaka?" came Yukimoto's concerned voice.

    After a few seconds in which reality did not implode, Hayasaka allowed himself to speak. "Fine, thanks. Just another physical."

    Yukimoto came around the partition and slowly levered Yūgen up to his feet. "No such thing as just another physical at your age, Hayasaka. You've got to keep an eye on your health."

    "Now you mention it," Yūgen agreed, "I do feel pretty beaten up. I think I'll call it a day."

    "See you soon!"

    -o-​

    Yūgen's injuries, ostensibly so light, were apparently enough to make it hard to sleep. He could feel bruises all over his body, even in places he couldn't see how he could have injured, like his knees. Yukimoto was right. He wouldn't have felt like this a mere five years ago.

    When morning came, instead of healing, the bruises felt even worse. Some parts of his body felt strangely bumpy, too, and that was never a good sign. Yūgen decided to skip work and get a check-up at the hospital, because a sealmaster never left such things up to chance. Secondary effects tended to get you when you least expected.

    The medic-nin on duty was courteous, helpful, thorough, and completely useless.

    "I'm sorry, sir, but you seem the very picture of health to me. I can't find any bruises anywhere, much less any irregularities. You may simply be suffering from a troubled mind—it's a common complaint among sealmasters. A day of meditation at the nearest monastery should sort you right out."

    Yūgen was skeptical to say the least, but as a fairly pious man (sealmasters needed something to pray to), he duly visited the Adepts of Perfect Lightning and availed himself of their guidance.

    It didn't help.

    When he woke up the next day, he felt worse than he ever had in his life. Where he had been bruised, his flesh was now unnaturally soft. In the mirror, he could that his face was the colour of dried parchment. And the bumps felt like they were bony protrusions, barely stopping short of breaking through the skin. At this point, there was no room for doubt. The sealing failure was still going.

    He ran to the hospital, or at least staggered as fast as he could.

    "Now do you believe me?" he demanded in a drying voice. "By the forbidden name, do something!"

    The medic-nin looked him over carefully. "Sir, did you meditate like I advised yesterday?"

    "Who cares about that?!"

    "It's very important to take care of your mind as well as your body," the medic-nin said reproachfully. "Not listening to a doctor's advice is the same as choosing to hurt yourself."

    Yūgen stared at him, wild-eyed. "My body is tearing itself apart. How is meditation going to help? Do something!"

    "Sir, you look fine," the medic-nin said patiently. "Your skin doesn't look bruised, and I don't see any bumps either. Now, I have other patients to see, who do have obvious injuries that require urgent attention."

    "I-I demand a second opinion!"

    Even as he spoke, Yūgen could feel his symptoms getting worse. He needed a real medic-nin to fix him up fast. Or was it already too late? He could feel the pressure of the bone against the skin.

    "Is this the gentleman in question?" an older and more important-looking ninja demanded impatiently. Without waiting for consent, or any other kind of response, he ran his fingers quickly over Yūgen's body, with a green glow that brightened at some points and darkened at others.

    "There is nothing wrong with you," the doctor said conclusively. "Now go home."

    Desperate, Yūgen reached out and grabbed the man's arm, guiding it to the thing jutting out of his shoulder. "What do you call this, then?"

    "Some people's shoulders are more angular than rounded," the doctor said. "It is a trivial matter. Now please leave before we have to escort you out."

    There was nothing left for Yūgen. All he could do was run to the research facility. Maybe he could come up with some way to reverse the sealing failure. Maybe Yukimoto would help.

    -o-​

    "Good morning!" People waved to the thing that wasn't Hayasaka as it skittered through the facility corridors.

    "Heard you finally had your test run yesterday—tell me all about it when you have a minute!"

    "Hey, Hayasaka. When are you going to pay me back those ten ryō you owe me?"

    The thing that wasn't Hayasaka ignored them all until it arrived at its destination.

    As it squeezed itself through the door, the thing that had never been Yukimoto turned to face it.

    "That's two."
     
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