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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Kiba said:
And you don't think the clans are going to give a shit about all the actions done beforehand?
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I think that everyone's too worried right now to care very much about it. Or, if they do, they'll see it as a long shot that was likely to fail but didn't.

Kiba said:
Honoka is the result of when somebody actually decided to mentor a kid. Individualized attention will do wonder for development. The problem is that individualized attention is expensive. We could probably fund an adjacent "mentor" program.
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And then, because the number of clan ninja are now low, the other clans might very well begin their own mentorship program for their own clans. People, businesses, and even governments all emulate that which is proven to work. If they see something that works, then they'll try to see if they can't incorporate something similar into their own work to get some of that same success for themselves. And this has proven to work.

RandomOTP said:
[...] So I suspect that most of Leaf will see it as "they saw Honoka as a potential diamond in the rough, so they gave her some very valuable personal tutoring from their own sealmaster (for free) and the investments paid off. [Something that we didn't do, or likely wouldn't have even considered worthwhile.] So now they're going to reap the rewards of their efforts, the benefits of taking the long shot."

In fact, it's a small wonder that no other clan has tried to poach Honoka away from our clan. Maybe it's a cultural taboo, or maybe they just don't think Honoka's worth pissing off the sealmasters who were instrumental in saving them from the last Seal Failure. I wonder if more clans will end up emulating the quasi-sponsorship-thing in the hopes of gaining their own overlooked prodigy? I mean, some clans might consider it to repopulate their numbers, if nothing else. [...]
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So there's no negative political-karma gained, no adoption lost, and nothing lost but the time we choose to invest in Honoka. But what we have to gain is an additional source of income (our clan was dirt poor not too long ago, remember?), an ear to the ground for rumors and information through Honoka's parents' business, a source of contact with civilians through Honoka and her parents, a promising addition to the clan that is guaranteed to become a strong ninja and, thereby, a valuable asset --if only because Kagome is training Honoka, likes her and wants her to survive in this world). Furthermore, we gain a loyal Team Uplift member and Honoka can be paired off (training wise) to the other prospective adoptees.

Honoka could be a mitigating influence on Haru's personality, much in the same way that Akane is. Or she could be a narrative device for character development/growth with Aya. Or Honoka could be a proper motivation with Kaiyo to get/stay sober, if we have Kaiyo interact/teach Honoka. We might even be able to convince Kaiyo to teach Honoka how to hack jutsu... and maybe even pass on the unique jutsu that she invented.

Edit: I'm assuming that all the other clans are hiding away in their compounds, trying to fix themselves without much regard to the village, as a whole, beyond their grounds. I mean, we've not really been shown what anyone is doing for the rebuilding effort as a whole --which Hazou seems to practically be leading. I think that it might be safe to assume that Asuma is doing... you know, something since he's the Hokage, but we haven't exactly been told what.
 
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RandomOTP said:
But what we have to gain is an additional source of income
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This is the only benefit you mentioned that needs her to officially join the clan. All the others can just as easily be done now. Sharing clan secrets would be another benefit for officially joining.

The only cost I see is we are signaling that we care about officially adopting people we like.
 
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Personally i feel Honoka can wait at least until this mess is over, she'll always prefer our clan to another, thanks to Kagome, so it's not a priority, and considering how leaf is even if we cannot adopt her formally, she can still be part of Uplift. Tt's not like something stops us from giving her resources and money until we can adopt her.

eaglejarl said:
Speaking only for myself, not WOG, and all of this is just my offhand thoughts so it could change:

I'd need to think more on this and talk with @Velorien and @OliWhail, but it seems weird and dubious. Adopting only one half of a married couple...is that a thing? Regardless, it would be pretty clear that you're trying to skirt around the "adoption slots" rules in order to get more ninja.

I suppose it would be a little better if you adopted Alice and then she and Bob got married. There would be some timing issues -- if the adoption is at 12:01pm and the marriage is at 12:02 then people are going to be unamused and I have no idea what an acceptable interval would be, but it would definitely be measured in months, not days or weeks.

Basically, the reason you're proposing this is so that you can get more ninja than you have adoption slots. That's not going to change because of clever rules-lawyering, and the only question is how people would respond.
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This is fair, and true, but i would like to note that as Hiashi showed in the election, rules-lawyering don't need to be work consistently , just work once, for the person in question, before the problem is patched up. Now Naruto can vote, but Hiashi is(was) still Hokage.
In short, rules-lawyering is something that can be used once,very carefully, and with an healthy does of Mari to prepare the battleground before hand.
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I mean, at least it's better than launching Orochimarus at Kages how we tried before.
EDIT: Yes, Orochimarus, Because we all know about the secret army of clones Orochimaru has in the basement.
 
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Well, that's pretty definitive. One joke vote and literally everything else is for continue the plan under one name or another.

Technically voting is still open.
 
eaglejarl said:
Well, that's pretty definitive. One joke vote and literally everything else is for continue the plan under one name or another.

Technically voting is still open.
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I need my new fix of Haru condescending at us while Akane looks at Hazou in disappointment. :V
 
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MMKII said:
[X] Action Plan: Internal Political Sausage-Making (No Dog Scroll)

  • Honoka.
    • Ask her for a comprehensive list of people who have wronged, bullied, or otherwise given her a hard time.
    • Afterwards, to keep her busy, have Keiko summon Pandaa to play with her (justify this to him by appealing to his anthropological interests and pointing out he hasn't interacted with a small child of our species yet.)
    • Adult members of said list:
      • Once said list has been acquired, go with Akane to visit upon each adult member of the list terrible and awesome vengeance (including violence disguised as a very YOUTHFUL SPARRING SESSION where appropriate).
    • Find the alpha-child of the bully group.
      • Pick them up by the scruff of their neck and bring them to slightly below eye level.
      • Inform them that they will cease making Honoka's life miserable through direct or indirect means, else we will rend them from existence and damn their soul to oblivion for all time.
      • If this proves ineffective -- clearly because they fail to grasp the intellectual hurdles involved in imaging such a fate-- order them to do pushups until we are tired of looking at them do pushups.
        • We are a Chunin and they are an Academy Student, we have this authority.
  • Go back and play with Honoka and Panda. Use the unique value of future interesting anthropological opportunities( as well as the implication that clan Gouketsu might resume the Pangolin deal through the Toads if he acquiesces, wouldn't it be great for him if he managed to do something personally to get that back on track! Promotions galore!) to get him to fervently research any and all scraps of information about the Arachnid clan and their summoner or the scrolls general location.
  • Work on all those projects every day for the next week or two.
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@MMKII I'm unclear on what the plan is calling for.

MMKII said:
Meet adoption candidates:
  1. Evaluate:
    1. Candidate fit and utility.
      1. A Technique Hacker would be quite a catch....
    2. Willingness to join.
    3. Scope of issues.
  2. Offer cooperation/improvement in living standards.
    1. Haru: Better employment for Dad, resources, etc. Akane takes point.
    2. Aya: Access to well-read individuals (e.g Hazou, Shikamaru, Keiko), money, and resources.
    3. Noda: Dealing with debt, nature of Reality, and alcohol problems (relate to the issue a la Hana).
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Does this mean you are actually offering them adoption, or a place on the estate, or what?

Does "Akane takes point" mean that Hazō is there but lets Akane do the talking, or is he simply not there?

@faflec please confirm: Hazō doesn't know about his mother's alocholism as she dried out before coming to Leaf.
 
eaglejarl said:
@MMKII I'm unclear on what the plan is calling for.



Does this mean you are actually offering them adoption, or a place on the estate, or what?

Does "Akane takes point" mean that Hazō is there but lets Akane do the talking, or is he simply not there?

@faflec please confirm: Hazō doesn't know about his mother's alocholism as she dried out before coming to Leaf.
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I am not MMKII, but my guess is that:

1. Talk to them. See if they are suitable or amicable for adoption. Sound them out? Even I am a bit unclear on this.

2. Akane taking point means that Akane knows her teammate better than we do, so we're going to follow her lead on how to approach Haru.

3. I am pretty sure Hazo doesn't know of his mother's alcoholism.
 
eaglejarl said:
Does this mean you are actually offering them adoption, or a place on the estate, or what?

Does "Akane takes point" mean that Hazō is there but lets Akane do the talking, or is he simply not there?

@faflec please confirm: Hazō doesn't know about his mother's alocholism as she dried out before coming to Leaf.
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Hmmm. That is terribly unclear. Sorry about that.

Respectively:

I would say this is intended to be more of a "Feel them out, and if that goes well feel them out on the (quite tentative) adoption topic." type meeting. We know next to nothing about two of these people. You'd definitely want an in-person screening before making a huge commitment on them (the two who we don't quite know) or before springing an offer they'll just reject after spitting in our face (Haru).

tl;dr: Their LinkedIn's and resumes are pretty good, lets get an onsite and then assess from there.

What kiba said on that one.

Sounds about right to me.
 
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eaglejarl said:
Was Yoshino stated to be civilian? *checks* Huh. So she was. Okay, I guess it happens once in a long while. That doesn't answer the main question though -- how would adopting Yoshino mean that Shikaku was now in your clan?
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Come to think of it, I would be very interested in an interlude about how Shikaku and Yoshino met. That sounds like a fascinating love story.
 
I would like to bring up experimenting with paper plane experimentation next planning session for skyslider, if we can fit such a minor thing in the plan somewhere.
 
Kiba said:
I would like to bring up experimenting with paper plane experimentation next planning session for skyslider, if we can fit such a minor thing in the plan somewhere.
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Agreed. The panic of the crisis is over and we're getting three secretaries soon, and we can't use free time for Sealing so it's a good time for Hazou to dip into physics stuffs again.
 
eaglejarl said:
@faflec please confirm: Hazō doesn't know about his mother's alocholism as she dried out before coming to Leaf.
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Not outright stated to my knowledge, but there've been some hints.
  • Mari told Hazou Hana would be self-destructing over our death.
  • Hazou knows Hana sold the apartment over a year ago, meaning before she would have learned about our continued survival. Evidently she was staying at a friend's house.
  • Hazou and Hana have spent multiple days catching up with one another off-screen. It's certainly possible that Hana told Hazou at least the broad strokes of what happened, as I don't find it IC for Hazou to not ask Hana what she was doing.
 
One thing I want to do:

Introduce the concept of commodity futures through trading for rice. What we would do is set up a contract to buy X amount of rice at Y price at Z future date.

This gives us an in to introduce a future market which allowed consumers and producers to hedge the risk of losing money due to changes in commodity prices.
 
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We should brainstorm a response for Orochimaru about pangolin jutsu in case he loses patience and decides to dissect it from our minds and in case Leaf would allow that.
 
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