- Location
- Yes.
Sorry I haven't been able to get to these quotes. I've added the suggestions you have posted.
Edit: Added @MMKII's suggestions regarding using FP.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Uh. We're definitely not trying to infuse the same seal as last time. That seal didn't work?? I'm not sure what you're getting at with calligraphy here. Calligraphy is definitely worth spending FP on here.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Go reread the discussion circa the update.
1)The existence of any successful infusions => the blank used was accurate.
2) Given that we failed one or more of the infusion rolls, this DOES NOT MEAN the blank was inaccurate.
His life, freedom and property isn't being threatened here.
- Location
- Yes.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Hmm. I guess that is the case. The rules are sort of unclear there wrt "Prototype seals" and their function, and the research ones dont really mention a calligraphy/infusion roll. I'm gonna guess that the infusion roll is maybe abstracted away into the research roll as well?
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Many questions, low energy, please excuse telegraphic style.
Seals: nada.
Help: You could link me to player suggestions? We should have it somewhere but I don't know.
MEW: Is nailed down and will be posted as soon as we pull the discussion together.
Seals: nada.
Help: You could link me to player suggestions? We should have it somewhere but I don't know.
Yes, although almost certainly just the short list because spoons.
No. Y'all did not specify who to invite, so I kept it to close family + Honoka.
Works for me. @Velorien can do differently for his updates if he so desires.
Will get back to you.
The rules are vague and need clarifying; I'll talk with the others. My assumption is that prototypes are not the final seal and there's no use in infusing them twice.
Could you link me to that? I should refresh on it.
There's a bunch right after the below quote. I don't know if there is a centralized list or if people added more ideas many pages after the post.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Multiple Earth Wall
Strain: 152 + Effect(10, 30, 60, 100, 150…) + Speed(+10, 0, -10, -30, -60, -100, -150)
CP: (33, 37, 43, 51, 61...); Elemental Source (-2); ACT (+2,0,-2,-6,-12,-20,-30)
Multiple Earth Wall creates [Effect] granite prisms of total volume 1 m^3, with minimum dimension 0.25m along any one side, which must emerge from a surface the caster's chakra can reach.
If this surface is the ground, the prisms produced by the technique are actual granite. Otherwise, the resulting constructs dissolve after about 30 seconds or when shattered.
If a user has at least one unused Supplemental Action during an initiative phase, the user can reflexively cast a substantially scaled down technique to e.g. defend from incoming ranged attacks. Casting the technique reflexively:
Learning the first level of this technique requires Stunt: Apprentice Earthshaper (44 XP)
Prerequisite: Earth Chakra Affinity, training from someone with Stunt: Master Earthshaper
- Earth Maneuver
- Effect 1:AB (10, 30, 60, 100, 150...)
- Duration +2 (Half-minute, 30)
- Durability 4 (82)
- Range 0 (Caster zone, 0)
- Speed 1 (Standard, 0)
- AOE 1 (Melee, 20)
- Adv: Conditional Permanent (10)
- Adv: Restricted Reflexive Casting (20)
- Adv: Adjustable Casting Time (+10 + [Instant +10, 0, Half-min -10, -30, -60, 10 mins -100, Half Hour -150 (max)])
- Dis: Cooldown = Cast Time, min 1 round (-10)
- Dis: Max Effect = ACT steps, min 1 (-10)
Strain: 152 + Effect(10, 30, 60, 100, 150…) + Speed(+10, 0, -10, -30, -60, -100, -150)
CP: (33, 37, 43, 51, 61...); Elemental Source (-2); ACT (+2,0,-2,-6,-12,-20,-30)
Multiple Earth Wall creates [Effect] granite prisms of total volume 1 m^3, with minimum dimension 0.25m along any one side, which must emerge from a surface the caster's chakra can reach.
If this surface is the ground, the prisms produced by the technique are actual granite. Otherwise, the resulting constructs dissolve after about 30 seconds or when shattered.
If a user has at least one unused Supplemental Action during an initiative phase, the user can reflexively cast a substantially scaled down technique to e.g. defend from incoming ranged attacks. Casting the technique reflexively:
- Adds 10 Strain (+2CP) from Adjustable Casting Time
- Reduces the range to melee of the caster (-1 Range, -20 Strain, -4CP)
- Always produces a chakra construct (lose Adv: Conditional Permanence, -10 Strain, -2CP)
- Reduces the duration of the chakra construct to mere seconds (-1 Duration, -20 strain, -4CP).
Learning the first level of this technique requires Stunt: Apprentice Earthshaper (44 XP)
Prerequisite: Earth Chakra Affinity, training from someone with Stunt: Master Earthshaper
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Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
This line made me happy, it's exactly how I feel when writing a complex proof or coding.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Speaking of the sealing crowdsource thing, have we put forward a suggestion yet for him to have had extra large storage scrolls?
Do we have anything more detailed than just a name for any of our research backlog ideas?
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Extrasensory seals : Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
Edit: Now that Hiashi has won, I want to start calling these the Poor Man's Byakugan whenever we don't see a Hyuuga within earshot.
(No, that wording isn't wrong. I mean exactly what I said. I want the Hyuuga to find out about the nickname, and for our effort to hide the nickname to be so token as to be insulting. Just to underscore the fact that we're undermining their power by making Leaf stronger.)
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- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Alright, so we have level 1 in MEW which means Effect 1 max. That puts our base CP cost at 31 cast from ground. If we take half an hour to cast it then we reduce the chakra required by 30 and can cast the whole thing for 1 CP. The downside of that being that we only get 1m^3 per half hour if we do it that way.
Let's assume that a decent wall is 2m high and 30cm thick. That's a 0.6m^2 cross-section which means for every 1m^3 we get about 1.6m of wall. That means that to create a 10m span of wall would take about 6m^3, which is 6 casts at Effect 1, 3 casts at Effect 2, 2 casts at Effect 3, etc.
Right now Hazou has 190 CP and Effect 1, so what's the optimal strategy? At 30m per cast he regens chakra faster than he spends it but works abysmally slow (26m of wall in 8 hours). at 10m per cast he gets 17 casts which creates 28m of wall in 2.8 hours. At 5m per cast he gets 10 casts which creates 16m of wall in 50 minutes. So as Hazou is right now, the best strategy is probably 10m per cast so we can make 28m of wall in less than 3 hours before Hazou runs out of chakra.
What about later? Let's assume Hazou has 350 CP and whatever MEW we think is best.
Well first things first we get the following set of numbers at Effect 1:
These numbers are the metric we should go with for one full Hazou of charge. The length of the wall linearly increases with the additional chakra given to Hazou by whatever means, and should be our benchmark for how fast we can reasonably create walls for civilians. Incidentally, the specs for roads shouldn't be too far from the specs for walls (something like 2m wide, something like 30cm of height to account for rough terrain) so this is also the rough distance calculations for roadbuilding.
All told, this isn't very good to be perfectly frank. If we want to enclose a settlement we'll need a lot more than 100m, which means either many days of work, many Hazous of charge (such as bringing a Noburi and some chakra batteries), or seals to do the job instead (I feel it quite likely that once we have an applicable seal we can produce them at a rate that far outpaces 80m per day)
Let's assume that a decent wall is 2m high and 30cm thick. That's a 0.6m^2 cross-section which means for every 1m^3 we get about 1.6m of wall. That means that to create a 10m span of wall would take about 6m^3, which is 6 casts at Effect 1, 3 casts at Effect 2, 2 casts at Effect 3, etc.
Right now Hazou has 190 CP and Effect 1, so what's the optimal strategy? At 30m per cast he regens chakra faster than he spends it but works abysmally slow (26m of wall in 8 hours). at 10m per cast he gets 17 casts which creates 28m of wall in 2.8 hours. At 5m per cast he gets 10 casts which creates 16m of wall in 50 minutes. So as Hazou is right now, the best strategy is probably 10m per cast so we can make 28m of wall in less than 3 hours before Hazou runs out of chakra.
What about later? Let's assume Hazou has 350 CP and whatever MEW we think is best.
Well first things first we get the following set of numbers at Effect 1:
- 30m/cast: 26m in 8 hours (capped by time).
- 10m/cast: 51m in 5.2 hours.
- 5m/cast: 30m in 1.5 hours.
- 30m/cast: 53m in 8 hours (capped by time).
- 10m/cast: 76m in 3.8 hours.
- 5m/cast: 50m in 75 minutes.
- 30m/cast: 80m in 8 hours (capped by time).
- 10m/cast: 80m in 2.6 hours.
- 5m/cast: 60m in 1 hour.
These numbers are the metric we should go with for one full Hazou of charge. The length of the wall linearly increases with the additional chakra given to Hazou by whatever means, and should be our benchmark for how fast we can reasonably create walls for civilians. Incidentally, the specs for roads shouldn't be too far from the specs for walls (something like 2m wide, something like 30cm of height to account for rough terrain) so this is also the rough distance calculations for roadbuilding.
All told, this isn't very good to be perfectly frank. If we want to enclose a settlement we'll need a lot more than 100m, which means either many days of work, many Hazous of charge (such as bringing a Noburi and some chakra batteries), or seals to do the job instead (I feel it quite likely that once we have an applicable seal we can produce them at a rate that far outpaces 80m per day)
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- Location
- Yes.
Don't Earth Domes make permanent granite if used on ground? Why don't we just put them down en masse to make 10m high domes connected side by side, and then collapse the outer curvature that's facing outwards with explosives or similar in order to keep chakra monsters from running up the side? That seems absurdly faster and more efficient than using MEW, especially since we can reuse the Earth Dome seals.
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Also pinging @Velorien @OliWhail
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- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
We can re-use Earth Dome seals and make new permanent domes? If so, then yeah heck with MEW Earth Dome seals are where it's at. Might still be worth making MEW seals later on to get easier vertical walls, but I'm sure we could hack together a solid process to make good walls out of Earth Domes.
Again, according to Tsunade, 90% of the value of walls is deterrence. Enough sailcloth, rope, and lime to put a frame around an entire settlement in an hour would fit in a couple of storage seals. Civilians could move in and ram earth into the frames to turn them into real walls at their leisure.
- Location
- Yes.
If they're anything like Air Domes, which can be reused (see: Skywalkers), they should be reusable.
Edit: Still, if we want to save time on making explosives, we might want to consider making a MEW-equivalent.
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- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
The thing is, they aren't like Skywalkers because they produce permanent structures, so I could easily see them behaving in a way that lets that only work once, one way or another.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Neither Air Domes nor Earth Domes are reusable AFAICR. Skywalkers are a hack on Air Domes.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
We should test this. Not the manufacturing part, that I have no qualms with.
[x] Research Plan : Town wall cost efficiency
- Set up a bunch of "training exercises" with KEI ninja where they:
- Camp somewhere as a survival exercise for 2-3 weeks, in mixed chuunin-genin groups.
- Set up some sort of walls (sailcloth, MEW, earth dome, none)
- In the last week, have the chuunin lure chakra monsters in to attack the genin.
- Have the chuunin keep track of the following in their reports/debriefs.
- Wall effectiveness
- Monster willingness to approach
- Cost/ease/speed of construction