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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
MC would point out, rightly, that it would only last until such businesses go out of business, which will be soon given that they're being outcompeted. Alternatively, if they patch that hole by giving away the money even after the business goes under, the businesses would just up and sell their business and collect free money, while still others would make businesses and claim they're being outcompeted for more free money; this'll go on until there are so many 'businesses' that the compensation either drowns us in debt or gives effectively $0 compensation.
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I disagree. it would last as long as it takes for a Kunai to be shoved into our throat for making a suggestion that stupid.
 
faflec said:
MC would point out, rightly, that it would only last until such businesses go out of business, which will be soon given that they're being outcompeted. Alternatively, if they patch that hole by giving away the money even after the business goes under, the businesses would just up and sell their business and collect free money, while still others would make businesses and claim they're being outcompeted for more free money; this'll go on until there are so many 'businesses' that the compensation either drowns us in debt or gives effectively $0 compensation.
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UBI? Once we're making tons more money than the current GDP, the Tower or MC can tax us and use the money to pay a living wage to all civilians in Leaf.

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Problem is that we'd need to improve the economy enough for that to work first. And in the meantime the civilians would be getting outcompeted.
 
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Oneiros said:
Take selling Ice. We freeze a ton of it and run it to hot springs. Find an inn and set up a contract with them. If we need to use a civilian proxy. Instead of never moving forward with it because of vague fears that something bad might happen
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Any inn worth making a deal with is probably going to be ruled by a merchant council.

Anyway, my objection is mainly not about the difficult of merchant councils so much as communication.

Every merchant in each of those villages have a homefield advantage over us: locality and relationship. We ninja can only stay for a few business days at best, and our missions come first.

If we're going to deal with annoying merchant councils, might as well do it on our home turf, where we get to see reactions from our opponents as soon as we make a move, as opposed to nine days or whatever it takes for mail to arrive here.
 
Also @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Something to think about that I'm not sure has been brought up -- and H may or may not K -- but Jiraiya said that all of the nations were going all out to rescue their living nukes jinchuuriki and providing secret techniques/seals as such: What did Mist, Cloud, Rock, and Sand bring to the table? Anything comparable to Skywalkers or Banshee Fuckers?
 
Cariyaga said:
Also @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Something to think about that I'm not sure has been brought up -- and H may or may not K -- but Jiraiya said that all of the nations were going all out to rescue their living nukes jinchuuriki and providing secret techniques/seals as such: What did Mist, Cloud, Rock, and Sand bring to the table? Anything comparable to Skywalkers or Banshee Fuckers?
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HDK.
 
We should try lobbying the merchant council. Make friends with them, invite them out to lunch, explain to each one exactly how our ninja magic ideas will benefit them specifically if they just help us get past the red tape.
 
Velorien said:
He has also left you a set of notes from his spy network that he never found a use for, including black market contacts, smuggling routes, and blackmail material on certain civilian authorities.
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Can someone add to the QuINOA what civilians we have blackmail material on, and what they have authority over? Maybe we have someone on the MC who can help us...

On second thought, maybe getting the black market contacts and smuggling routes could be used to sell off our salt and ice generation...
 
@eaglejarl, @faflec, @whomever-has-been-doing-the-faflec-as-human-mfd-encyclopedia-impressions-lately : Wasn't there a discussion about how Leaf needed to have a non-trivial amount of farmland in it to work as needed?

Also, in my head the crater is huge. The city proper taking just a small fraction of it.

*grumbles* I want to sketch and stuff, not look up and collate facts about Leaf that we know.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
@eaglejarl, @faflec, @whomever-has-been-doing-the-faflec-as-human-mfd-encyclopedia-impressions-lately : Wasn't there a discussion about how Leaf needed to have a non-trivial amount of farmland in it to work as needed?

Also, in my head the crater is huge. The city proper taking just a small fraction of it.

*grumbles* I want to sketch and stuff, not look up and collate facts about Leaf that we know.
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I did some analysis a long time ago, but I couldn't decide just how much farmlands Leaf need.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
@eaglejarl, @faflec, @whomever-has-been-doing-the-faflec-as-human-mfd-encyclopedia-impressions-lately : Wasn't there a discussion about how Leaf needed to have a non-trivial amount of farmland in it to work as needed?

Also, in my head the crater is huge. The city proper taking just a small fraction of it.

*grumbles* I want to sketch and stuff, not look up and collate facts about Leaf that we know.
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It may not be what you are looking for, but on initial introduction Leaf was said to have enough farmland inside the walls to feed the entire village. I don't believe it was ever made more detailed than that.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
Wasn't there a discussion about how Leaf needed to have a non-trivial amount of farmland in it to work as needed?
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The most recent WoG stated that Leaf didn't have a self-sustaining amount of farmland and had to import more from the surrounding countryside. I don't recall off the top of my head discussion stating that it needed sustainable farmland to work as needed, though I may be misinterpreting what you mean when you say that it needed a lot of farmland to work as needed.

Edit: Correction, it wasn't explicitly stated. It said that the amount of farmland was enough to support a notable fraction of the population, suggesting that it wasn't enough to support them all and necessitated imported food.
 
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Jello_Raptor said:
@eaglejarl, @faflec, @whomever-has-been-doing-the-faflec-as-human-mfd-encyclopedia-impressions-lately : Wasn't there a discussion about how Leaf needed to have a non-trivial amount of farmland in it to work as needed?

Also, in my head the crater is huge. The city proper taking just a small fraction of it.

*grumbles* I want to sketch and stuff, not look up and collate facts about Leaf that we know.
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I think there was a WoG a while back that the Nine Tails' rampage didn't destroy the city and leave a giant crater to rebuild in so much as wrecked a few blocks or so.
 
faflec said:
There's been a Hokage Monument since Jiraiya was an Academy student, though it's possible the original was destroyed and rebuilt after the Kyuubi's attack.
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Wouldn't it have just been the one currently ruling Hokage at the time?

That's no Mount Rushmore, that's just standard narcissistic dictator bullshit which doesn't fit with the apparent characterization of Hashirama at all.

Also that gives us another piece of potential misdirection to lobby our hokage candidate for: Add Jiraiya to the monument, officially acknowledge him as the fifth hokage.

There's so much stuff to do, and MfD progresses so much more slowly than the real world when we're not time-skipping. We need the plan cache more than ever right now, and I'm so relieved someone is doing that.

Edit: Yuup, the canon timeline has Jiraiya leaving the academy two years after Hashirama's death. The major birthdays and team formation stuff fits pretty closely to the MfD timeline, so I figure it's a good approximation for who was born when.

Hashimarama was definitely doing #justdictatorthings, if there was a monument when Jiraiya was a kid.
 
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Jello_Raptor said:
Wouldn't it have just been the one currently ruling Hokage at the time?
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Do you mean to suggest there was "First Kyuubi Attack" or something during Hashirama's tenure? I thought he just went out and slapped all the bijuu in the face with his thick wood jutsu and only kept (godsdamnit Hashirama) the Kyuubi.
 
MMKII said:
Do you mean to suggest there was "First Kyuubi Attack" or something during Hashirama's tenure? I thought he just went out and slapped all the bijuu in the face with his thick wood jutsu and only kept (godsdamnit Hashirama) the Kyuubi.
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Nope, I think that for MfD I'm just flat wrong about the Hokage Monument being built after the Kyuubi attack.

Velorien said:
Are you quite sure you're not thinking of LUD?
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Absolutely not. I could have easily been thinking of LUD.

MfD is unique enough in terms of worldbuilding that usually my tendency to mix all the fanon together into some horrible mish-mash doesn't kick in.

Edit: I still stand by my thesis that:

1) Hashirama was Hokage while Jiraiya was a kid.
2) Jiraiya as a kid saw the Hokage Monument
3) At the time, only Hashirama had ever been Hokage and the monument would have just been Hashirama's face looming over everyone.
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QED) Hashirama was into #justdictatorthings
 
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MMKII said:
only kept (godsdamnit Hashirama) the Kyuubi
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Giving the bijuu out was a very forward-thinking and wise move. It allowed the major villages to exist in an equilibrium that could survive Hashirama's death. If he instead used them to conquer the world and force his ideals on everyone, as the hivemind would've done in his place, the system likely would've collapsed back into warring states the moment he died.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
Nope, I think that for MfD I'm just flat wrong about the Hokage Monument being built after the Kyuubi attack.



Absolutely not. I could have easily been thinking of LUD.

MfD is unique enough in terms of worldbuilding that usually my tendency to mix all the fanon together into some horrible mish-mash doesn't kick in.

Edit: I still stand by my thesis that:

1) Hashirama was Hokage while Jiraiya was a kid.
2) Jiraiya as a kid saw the Hokage Monument
3) At the time, only Hashirama had ever been Hokage and the monument would have just been Hashirama's face looming over everyone.
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QED) Hashirama was into #justdictatorthings
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I thought Hashirama have died already and we're on to the 2nd or 3rd hokage.
 
Roomba said:
Giving the bijuu out was a very forward-thinking and wise move. It allowed the major villages to exist in an equilibrium that could survive Hashirama's death. If he instead used them to conquer the world and force his ideals on everyone, as the hivemind would've done in his place, the system likely would've collapsed back into warring states the moment he died.
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Yeah but the hivemind wouldn't have died. :p

It was very not-forward-thinking of him to go and die.
 
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