Jello_Raptor
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Instead it collapsed into warring states before he died, and that war killed him. #AllAccordingToShikaku
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Instead it collapsed into warring states before he died, and that war killed him. #AllAccordingToShikaku
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Au contraire, after he was forced to retire to the Pure Land by the collapse of his unstable (as most practical balances are) equilibrium, his successor was Tobirama "I am the reason Danzou is why he is. " Senju. I have faith he would have kept things mostly together.
Might've murdered all the Uchiha at that point, since they were no longer useful, but he probably would've kept it together. He is Tobirama " 'Tis the season for the 'Treason!' " Senju afterall.
Mostly though, I think his distribution of Bijuu could've been a bit more uniform.That, or keep the two tails and nine tails in Leaf and spread the rest far as can be done.
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- Potato land
What are you guys talking about? The village system survived Hashirama and continues to be stable in spite of several destructive wars. This, I believe, is in no small part due to the fact that power within the Elemental Nations is distributed between several actors, rather than concentrated in one place. It was truly forward-thinking of Hashirama to do this - he must've known that he'd be denying his own village supremacy and safety in return for stability for the whole region, and chose to do it anyway.
And on a more practical note, a lot of our ideas for furthering international cooperation can be given a lot more weight by recontextualizing them as following in Hashirama's footsteps. We've already given out one paradigm-changing weapon, in a sense.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
I actually think this is the example we need to follow to achieve peace in the 7th path. If we can emulate the village system by making various clans ally against the alliance we back it will be a good start. At the same time need to institute a Geneva convention type agreement to stop further genocide
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
I don't really care about whether the political system itself is "stable" in the sense of it lasting 60 years. It's caused three massive world wars since it was instituted. Its clearly still quite unstable as far as mankind as a whole is concerned.
Grabbing all the suspicious paranoid murderhobos to assign them a team color and stick them all in one big spot so that they can be suspicious paranoid murderhobos together and try very hard to fuck over all the non-Red Team folks at every turn isn't stability. It's a stopgap measure, and an iffy one at that.
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- USA
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- He/Him
Would someone please go through the player QUINOA and move any questions that have been answered to somewhere else? (The wiki would be an option, or the thread, or a Google doc, or...) It makes it easier to deal with them if we know that everything in there is waiting for an answer and we don't have to look to see if we've already dealt with it.
Announce where you put it and I'll threadmark it.
Announce where you put it and I'll threadmark it.
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- Yes.
Just a thought, but...would it be reasonable for the unanswered questions to all be put in one pile at the top of the doc, and when they are answered just move them to their section at the bottom of the doc?
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- Potato land
On the contrary, stability is the most important aspect of any political system. As a rule, even the most oppressive forms of order are better than chaos in terms of utility, and so preserving order is literally what political systems exist for. An unstable system is worthless. And while the current village system is a pile of hot garbage by our standards, it is by all indications a significant improvement over what came before it.
Honestly, in terms of sheet impact, I doubt we'll be able to do better than Hashirama. Crawling out of the red is going to be enough of a challenge on its own.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
If you're measuring things in terms of sheer impact: sure, that sounds reasonable.
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- Under a Rock
We need to meet with the Nara so that we can back whatever their play is. Unless they plan on supporting the Hyuuga.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Our faction (composed of 8 people in total) has as many votes as they do on the council.
I thought of a thing.
If Hiashi claims Naruto can't keep the Uzumaki vote and half the council agrees while the other half doesn't, then we could end up in a scenario where half the council thinks Hiashi has a majority and is therefore rightful hokage, while the other half thinks Mari has a majority and is therefore rightful hokage.
Coming soon... Marked for Death: Civil War
If Hiashi claims Naruto can't keep the Uzumaki vote and half the council agrees while the other half doesn't, then we could end up in a scenario where half the council thinks Hiashi has a majority and is therefore rightful hokage, while the other half thinks Mari has a majority and is therefore rightful hokage.
Coming soon... Marked for Death: Civil War
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Implying Hiashi will have more than 5-6 votes by the time we're done crashing through his life's work like a 15ft tall Pangolin in a china shop that's just been told it can't
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- Yes.
Our faction: If.
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- USA
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- He/Him
But I moved all the answers to the wiki?
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- Essence
He most likely will.
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- Under a Rock
We have yet to accomplish anything that could impair Hiahi's chances of winning the hat. Keep in mind, even though Hiashi is sleeping it off, the majority of the Hyuuga are fine. All the elders. All the lesser Jonin and Chunin. All the civilians with a life time's worth of training in politics.
They are the political juggernaut of Leaf. Our most powerful allies put all their chips on a man who is now dead, and lost their own most powerful piece at the same time. Our game plan is lacking. We don't know what our allies are doing, when the vote will occur, or who we want to support.
We need to forge alliances.
Options
- Buy loyalty. Emperor of Salt.
- Issues with the MC. It might be okay if we exclusively sell to the 7th path, and offer a generous tax to the tower and the MC.
- Jutsus from the Pangolins or Toads.
- Toads are on a delay, pangolins might be tricky.
- The spicy end of the menu:
- Start selling more family members into matrimony.
- Sell the Toad scroll.
- Sell the Snake scroll.
- The radioactive end of the menu:
- Back the Hyuuga, in exchange for the promise of being well treated.
- It gives them a mandate.
- It boosts stability.
- It is absolutely unexpected.
- Might lead to war.
- It gives them a mandate.
- Back the Hyuuga, in exchange for the promise of being well treated.
I'm not buying it. Not in this setting. That could certainly have been the public justification he gave, but the actual reason would be different. Perhaps Kagome is right and his not being what he appeared, or perhaps the is something about the bijuu which makes it important to keep them far away from each other.
I swear to- look, is there anything, anything at all I can do to get "Pagolins Like Locusts" to stick? I would be exasperated that everybody keeps forgetting the safe, ethical plan to solve a half dozen problems at once and which could be implemented immediately, but I remember how often I had to shout "literally free money!!!" to get the gambling to happen.
Like, immediately immediately. "Keiko, Noburi, grab your gear. We're going for a walk"-immediately. "The Gouketsu proved that they could summon an entire loyal army and used it to double Leaf's available arable land while you were sleeping last night"-immediately.
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- Kiev, Ukraine
@everyone can we please listen to Lailoken? He proved to be right more than once and this plan is really capable of solving multiple problems at once
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- Under a Rock
I'll be honest here, that is the first time I've heard that. Perhaps I've been missing things, its happened before. I searched for "Locusts" in the thread, and didn't find anything since 2018 besides that post.
I have a few reservations, such as I don't think locusts are a problem in forests, and I don't know if our pangolins want to harvest them personally.
But those are mere quibbles.
[X] Lailoken
[X] Action Plan: 1/8th plague
- At the next opportunity, discuss using Pangolins to clear out pest problems.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
What lesser jounin?
The thing to understand about a clan like the Hyuuga is that because their bloodline is so powerful, any jounin they'd have would likely have been sent. An exception could maybe be made for fresh jounin like Ami, or social spec (but that's not really their specialty) jounin. It's expected out of them and to do anything less would lose them face to the other clans.