I wonder how much skill it would take to make body reinforcement seals similar to Rune Magic from type moon to increase our chakra augmentation/efficiency/power on our own body.

We are already great at taijutsu for our level and becoming better at it could be a valid short/medium term goal.
 
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We could get him a chocolate carving kit. Carve it into fun shapes. Eat the shavings. Then, you know, eat the carving.


Kagome: All right, I've been thinking, when life gives you chocolate, don't make chocolate chip cookies!
Hazou: Yeah.
Kagome: Make life take the chocolate back!
Hazou: Yeah!
Kagome: Get Mad!
Hazou: Yeah!
Kagome: I don't want your damn chocolate! What am I supposed to do with these?
Hazou: Yeah, take the chocolate!
Kagome: Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Kagome chocolate! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down - with the chocolate!
Hazou: Oh, I like this guy.
Kagome: I'm gonna invent a combustible chocolate seal that'll burn your house down!
Hazou: Burn it down! Burning people. He says what we're all thinking.

Eh, don't count your chickens before they've hatched.
We will definitely know who was right after Keiko gets contract or deserts to VHitM/dies/goes mad.

Takahashi's behavior so far is consistent with both hypotheses.


Don't worry, I'm sure Minori will be a good husband for Keiko. :whistle:

[J] Training Keiko: Research "Strapon"

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... we need support seals for combat, running away from people, etc ...

We've been talking a lot about sealing versatility. Especially ways to support other team members. I'd like to note that the macerator seal could be used to do a lot of those things. Especially when combined with PMYF.

It could make an insta-mist seal for Nobby.

Fireballs and whatnot for Akane.

Poison delivery mechanisms.

Scent bombs to help lose tracking.

If we can imbue random items with chakra, and create clouds of chakra-imbued dust we get basic anti-sensor capabilities.

Sufficiently finely powdered iron suspended in air basically combusts on its own, what with rusting being an exothermic reaction and fine iron dust having a high enough surface area to rust in one fell swoop. This alone should give us a basic non-lethal flashbang, what with the high temperature (and light) at each particle but relatively small number of particles.

The entire technique also works much better than Kagome's explosive tag if we want to combine and scale techniques. A bunch of sawdust clouds can be triggered near each other, and the entire honking thing lit by one spark to create a gigantic bang. Perfect for deoxygenating a cave system when you only have access to one entrance.

Not to mention that mashed potatoes made with the macerator tag will taste better, and be more consistently mashed than those made with Kagome-style explosive tags.
 
Just a spherical combat in vacuum. They start at distance, no chakra boost (to keep numbers simple) Hazou tries to close in, Kei throws kunai at him, average rolls for both end up with 31 as the final number (in Kei's favor) after all math (which I'm pretty sure I did right this time) How badly is Hazou injured and does he get to try for a melee roll at all (perhaps with penalties?) or does Keiko kill him on approach?
Well, it's a moot point since both will quickly asphyxiate.

We'll get back to you about what happens before then.
 
Or right on the outskirts of the village.

You know what I meant.

I do, and I maintain that what happens in our quaters is our own damn business. If the lack of a bunker is a problem, expand away from the village. Research itself is just Hazou drawing doodles. It's the infusion part that's (potentially) noisy. Just agree to make initial number of made scrolls low (2-4) so any potential disasters have a limited chance to strike (compare tag infusion where we made 25 of them)

At the very least I want fluff that confirms Hazou's done with theory and needs only proper conditions to (try to) start making storage scrolls.
 
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I do, and I maintain that what happens in our quaters is our own damn business. If the lack of a bunker is a problem, expand away from the village. Research itself is just Hazou drawing doodles. It's the infusion part that's (potentially) noisy. Just agree to make initial number of made scrolls low (2-4) so any potential disasters have a limited chance to strike (compare tag infusion where we made 25 of them)

At the very least I want fluff that confirms Hazou's done with theory and needs only proper conditions to (try to) start making storage scrolls.

I'd want QM confirmation that we can do research before voting for a plan that involves it.
 
I do, and I maintain that what happens in our quaters is our own damn business. If the lack of a bunker is a problem, expand away from the village. Research itself is just Hazou drawing doodles. It's the infusion part that's (potentially) noisy. Just agree to make initial number of made scrolls low (2-4) so any potential disasters have a limited chance to strike (compare tag infusion where we made 25 of them)

At the very least I want fluff that confirms Hazou's done with theory and needs only proper conditions to (try to) start making storage scrolls.
We have already gotten to the point where we've tried to infuse storage scrolls with chakra. I'm pretty sure it's an integral part of the research process.

In the actual event, Hazou didn't burn anything off while reverse-engineering the storage scroll, but the results were a lot more exciting than he would have preferred. The most exciting was the very first attempt: it was a dud. Somehow, that sent Kagome into a massive panic attack in which he gibbered about seals that "just pretended not to do anything to lure you in close!"

The seventh attempt (giant implosion that scooped a four-foot hemisphere out of the ground and nearly took Hazou's arm off before he kawarimied away) was interesting, but Kagome commanded Hazou to never ever ever ever ever try to replicate that, muttering dire predictions about stinking ninja stinkers and their stinking stupid ideas.

The fifteenth attempt (eruption of talking porcupines that sublimated away after ten minutes) was the funniest. That was the first time that Hazou noticed Keiko and Noburi passing money back and forth. Unsurprisingly, Keiko was winning.

So if we want to do anything before we're done with the village, we need to make sure it doesn't impact them.

Yoshida is, nominally at least, on our side in the great elder schism, and they have to be doing sealing research somehow. Maybe she would be willing to provide us with a set of protocols we would need to follow?
 
We have already gotten to the point where we've tried to infuse storage scrolls with chakra. I'm pretty sure it's an integral part of the research process.
Huh. I was sure Hazou was still on the "need to sketch some bits in" stage. Will look into it..

E: still sure. That reverse-engineering was about giving us a way to make scrolls. We can't do that yet, and our design is a WIP.

Results of your reverse-engineering of the storage seal will be announced after the GMs confer on appropriate target numbers
Anyone remembers what those were, or if we ever got futher info at all?

Yoshida is, nominally at least, on our side in the great elder schism, and they have to be doing sealing research somehow. Maybe she would be willing to provide us with a set of protocols we would need to follow?
More mutually-beneficient exchanges would be good, yes. Maybe she'd let us use her facilities?
 
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Ah, right. Okay, decision-ing and rolling has happened:



~ Two weeks before the trip to Tea, during seal research ~​

"Agh! What do you think you're doing?!" Kagome yelled, tackling Hazou before the young genin could set brush to paper. "Not like that, you damn fool! You'll kill us all!"

Hazou blinked. Usually when Kagome-sensei freaked out it was for very good reasons, but right now the genin felt like perhaps his teacher was overreacting juuuuust a bit.

"Sensei?" he said, lying very still in no small part because Kagome-sensei currently had him trapped in a submission hold and was wrestling the brush out of his fingers. "What's wrong, sensei?"

"That was the regular ink, you nitwit!" Kagome said. "You can't mix that into a half-finished seal or you'll leave the chakra pathways unconnected and when you try to infuse in the middle of the stinking barracks it'll spray everywhere and chain-fire all the other half-finished seals and blow you to meat paste and I'll have to scrub the damn floors until my fingers bleed just because some of your teeny-tiny little brain got trapped in the tiles even though it totally wasn't my fault!"

"But...," Hazou started, before trailing off. As usual when Kagome-sensei went off on one of his rants it was all a little hard to untangle. Bits of the man's very clearly colorful past (most of those colors apparently being blood red and brain-matter grey) all mixing up with the current moment, leaving him to wonder how much was flashback and how much was actual caution.

"Sensei, that wasn't the seal," Hazou said.

"...what?" asked Kagome. "What do you mean it wasn't the seal?"

"That was my journal, sensei. I was writing down my latest research."

"Oh," said Kagome. "Um, really? Your journal?"

"Yes, sensei."

"So, just to be clear, there's nothing explosive or storage-y or brain-exploding or explosive or face-melting or explosive about this journal?"

"No, sensei. No chakra at all. Just notes."

"Oh. Um, right," said Kagome. "Well, uh...good job, then! Carry on!"

Hazou lay still for another moment before asking very politely, "May I have my arm back, please, sensei?"

Kagome seemed to suddenly realize that he still had his student trapped in a nasty armbar. He immediately let go and scrambled to his feet. "Right, yes! Sorry." Hazou started to push himself up when Kagome remembered that it was polite to offer a hand. The sealmaster tried to make up for his forgetfulness by darting forward and yanking Hazou up so fast that he nearly hurled him into the air. The genin caught his balance and waited as Kagome brushed the dirt off of him too vigorously.

"So, uh, how goes the research?" Kagome asked, smiling his best smile. He was definitely out of practice at smiling.

"It's going well," Hazou said. "I've got all the main pieces sketched out, although I'm still filling in the bodies of most of them. I'm feeling really good about it, actually. Give me another few weeks, I think I'll have it."

"Great news, great news!" said Kagome. "Um, just...be careful not to summon any eldritch horrors from beyond time and space to schlurp out our brains before disappearing back through the purple crack to their own hellish dimension, okay? That tends to ruin my appetite for weeks."
 
Thanks @faflec this is what I was thinking of.

"It's going well," Hazou said. "I've got all the main pieces sketched out, although I'm still filling in the bodies of most of them. I'm feeling really good about it, actually. Give me another few weeks, I think I'll have it."

Doodling it is.
 
More mutually-beneficient exchanges would be good, yes. Maybe she'd let us use her facilities?

This won't happen without us telling her exactly what we are doing and revealing even more of our capabilities. If we do it, it has to be done in a way that they will have no inkling of PMYF. PMYF loses a lot of its value if our enemies are prepared for it. They might also insist on examining the seals we infuse in their facilities, and I'm not sure if we want to reveal Hazou's signature style to anyone.

They did say that they were interested in taking a look at our seals and then explaining what they do differently (notably they don't wan't us to see their seals). Storage seals are pretty common outside, so I gifting them to the village at this points might be a good trade, it might make them thirsty enough to trade us for some of theirs in the next round. If we keep working with the village we will probably procure storage seal samples for them anyway at some point.

But there's of course the question if we want to reveal Hazou's or Kagome's sealing styles to them. Not sure how important keeping that hidden is but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Kagome might also be super against showing any of his work to the villagers.
 
Huh. I was sure Hazou was still on the "need to sketch some bits in" stage. Will look into it..

E: still sure. That reverse-engineering was about giving us a way to make scrolls. We can't do that yet, and our design is a WIP.
Thanks @faflec this is what I was thinking of.

"It's going well," Hazou said. "I've got all the main pieces sketched out, although I'm still filling in the bodies of most of them. I'm feeling really good about it, actually. Give me another few weeks, I think I'll have it."

Doodling it is.
I think we're reading these differently. What I see happening is that we're trying to get to the point where we can create a storage seal, and we're doing this by reverse-engineering the seals we already have, since that's faster (has lower target numbers) than researching a seal from scratch.

In the process, we've been applying chakra to seals. I'm not sure if we're applying it to our own seals, to see how much progress we've made, or to the seals we're reverse engineering, to see what the little bits do, or both. But either way, this process has resulted in many, many seal failures with results including a 4' foot radius implosion and talking, sublimating porcupines. I expect the next several weeks of seal research to result in the same, until we get to the point where we can create a correct seal, not several weeks of drawing, followed by some later application of chakra.


@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Jackercracks, can we get an answer on exactly what activities we have in front of us to finish storage seals, and if any part of that is safe (from our perspective, not Kagome's)?
 
This won't happen without us telling her exactly what we are doing and revealing even more of our capabilities. If we do it, it has to be done in a way that they will have no inkling of PMYF. PMYF loses a lot of its value if our enemies are prepared for it. They might also insist on examining the seals we infuse in their facilities, and I'm not sure if we want to reveal Hazou's signature style to anyone.

They did say that they were interested in taking a look at our seals and then explaining what they do differently (notably they don't wan't us to see their seals). Storage seals are pretty common outside, so I gifting them to the village at this points might be a good trade, it might make them thirsty enough to trade us for some of theirs in the next round. If we keep working with the village we will probably procure storage seal samples for them anyway at some point.

But there's of course the question if we want to reveal Hazou's or Kagome's sealing styles to them. Not sure how important keeping that hidden is but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Kagome might also be super against showing any of his work to the villagers.

So she wants a look at our seals. Say we can do one better, and show her how we make them if she allows us to use her facility. Then finish storage scrolls project and gift her one. She's happy, we're happy, everyone's happy. Yoshida's position strengthened, she likes us more, yay.

We go to working on PMYF theory, keep it private and quiet. Keep Kagome's stuff secret as well. Hazou's style is still in development so I'm less worried about showing off his work (which is a grand total of 1, hopefuly soon 2 seals)
 
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Offensive tricks are great, the problem is that we don't currently have a response to someone with 10 weapons dice throwing explosive kunai at Hazou aside from "hope there's a bunch of suitable substitution targets, substitute out of the way 6ish times, then die." The responses to that seem to be either
1. Level Tac Move
Or
2. Level Substitution (so more targets) and Capacity and Regeneration (so they can't just kill us with 8 explosive tags)

PMYF might help solve the targets problem of the second strategy, but low Tac Move means we'd be reliant on Stealth to escape. I'm on board with leveling Substitution and Capacity and Regeneration and Stealth instead of Tac Move, but it's gonna be expensive.

We do have a response to someone with 10 weapons dice throwing explosive kunai at Hazou. MEW. We can even use it to defend our allies, as well.

MEW can be used to defend from ranged attacks in place of TacMove.
PMYF is better than TacMove at everything except chakra cost (and, at maximum chakra boost, PMYF is cheaper)
With MEW and PMYF, TacMove seems obsolete.

Do we really need this much redundancy (MEW + PMYF + TacMove), or can we disregard TacMove in favor of some other skills?



Regarding Sealing research: I am in favor of it as long as we don't experiment and don't disclose our seals to the village population.

Also, I still think Keiko's training might be a trap of some kind. We should probably consider strategy for killing the village in case we need to.
 
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Before we decide to discard TacMov I'd like to get it to 12, so we can boost it by 3 if needs must. Redundancy talk is fine and dandy, but we don't have PMYF yet. We don't even have all it's components.

MEW is lovely, but if we're using it we're not closing in, and I suspect if we go for a MEW vs R!Wep combat we'll run out of chakra before enemy runs out of kunai/shuriken.
 
Also, I still think Keiko's training might be a trap of some kind. We should probably consider strategy for killing the village in case we need to.

I also still think there's a significant chance this is true, and I'm very uncomfortable with it.

But I think Kei will be safe at least in the short term. There are three major events we should watch out for:
When Kei signs the contract.
When Kei undergoes the trials.
When Kei tries actually summoning for the first time.

I think that if Takahashi is going to pull something it's going to be near one of those events.

Until then, only our standard paranoia seems warranted. Save the advanced paranoia for when we need it.
 
I'd want QM confirmation that we can do research before voting for a plan that involves it.
Mechanically speaking, you can do research. Any other considerations are logistical or diplomatic in nature.
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Jackercracks, can we get an answer on exactly what activities we have in front of us to finish storage seals, and if any part of that is safe (from our perspective, not Kagome's)?
In order to finish reverse-engineering storage seals, you need to perform theoretical research, and then test your theories by scribing and infusing experimental blanks while Kagome alternately screams at you and cowers behind heavy defences at a safe distance. This process is fully as dangerous as it sounds.
 
In order to finish reverse-engineering storage seals, you need to perform theoretical research, and then test your theories by scribing and infusing experimental blanks while Kagome alternately screams at you and cowers behind heavy defences at a safe distance. This process is fully as dangerous as it sounds.
But do we have a week or two of theoretical research we could do first, to get that much closer to done, or is it a few hours/a day of research, then blanks to make sure we got it right, then more research, then more blanks?
 
But do we have a week or two of theoretical research we could do first, to get that much closer to done, or is it a few hours/a day of research, then blanks to make sure we got it right, then more research, then more blanks?
You have some flexibility as to how you manage your time (e.g. allocating a day or two to a given stage of the cycle, rather than a few hours), but you will still need to regularly attempt to infuse blanks. Mechanically, there is no way you can make progress without making a Sealing roll and hoping you survive the consequences.
 
Hm... I wonder how bad of an idea a notebook full of storage seals would be. Or other kinds for that matter. Maybe we can make a bomb by combining storage seals filled with combustible materials with a seal that creates flame on a time delay.
 
Hm... I wonder how bad of an idea a notebook full of storage seals would be. Or other kinds for that matter. Maybe we can make a bomb by combining storage seals filled with combustible materials with a seal that creates flame on a time delay.
There is some evidence that the mass storage scrolls out there, like Tenten's cutlery drawer scrolls and Kabuto's corpse scroll, are effectively this (notebooks, not massive bombs).
 
Since I wasn't here for the discussion on options for shenanigans and munchkinry, the suggestion might be a bit late.
What would happen if we etched seals onto the kunai themselves, and then traced the etching with chakra ink to make the seal in the weapon itself, rather than attaching a tag to them? It'd take more effort, to be sure, but black ink on iron weapons would be hard to spot in a heated combat situation.

Or would this lead to everyone's inside bits being outside, and vice versa.
 
Since I wasn't here for the discussion on options for shenanigans and munchkinry, the suggestion might be a bit late.
What would happen if we etched seals onto the kunai themselves, and then traced the etching with chakra ink to make the seal in the weapon itself, rather than attaching a tag to them? It'd take more effort, to be sure, but black ink on iron weapons would be hard to spot in a heated combat situation.

Or would this lead to everyone's inside bits being outside, and vice versa.

Sneaky, if time consuming. This does remind me of the wooden kunai idea from way back.
 
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