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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Noburi won't be able to drain Keiko's chakra inconspicuously because Noburi can't just throw an arm around Keiko's shoulders 'in celebration' or anything, Keiko will react badly to the touch and that will cause a scene.

It's still an option if Keiko looks like she's about to flee, but if we go through with it we should be prepared for it causing a scene.
 
"De-summoning", as you put it, is painful for a summon for unexplained reasons, and therefore not something to be done lightly.

e: I mean, painful beyond getting punched hard enough to make a consequence.
 
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Roomba said:
Okay, let's do this.



VOICES IN HAZOU'S HEAD: at least it's not the romcom gods this time



Fair. That was definitely a mistake.



Well, technically, we'd be making a decision for Noburi in that case as well - to figuratively put him in the line of fire. He'd get to choose where he wanted to stand on said line, but wouldn't have the option to step off it.



IC, that's a very strong argument in favor of Ami still caring about Keiko in some form. If she truly didn't care, she could've easily manipulated Keiko to further either her own goals or the Mori's. That she didn't, is meaningful.



Noburi is in. Time to get this ball rolling again. Ami won't know what hit her.



Hazou using his own initiative in a social context to improve our plan? Next plan has to start with checking ears for Lupchanz.



Noburi is the best. Why doesn't Jiraiya want him to be the heir? He'd do a much better job than Hazou, as he is right now.

Wait a minute...





I don't know what this means, but my heart desperately wants to vote for the Armageddon Initiative to fix the problem.



Just a casual reminder that if we want Hazou to conduct any kind of diplomacy with the Kurosawa involved, we're going to need to put in some amount of work. Hazou has very little chill when it comes to his former clan.



This whole part is simply precious. Why does everyone else get cute minions, while Hazou gets left alone in the cold? We must rectify this injustice!



I feel like my model of how the Kage negotiations go was just summarily invalidated.



Whoops. It's just one thing after another for Jiraiya, isn't it? On one hand, we're undoubtedly successful in a lot of important ways as his adopted children. On the other, we're definitely high-maintenance. A lesser man would've been exhausted handling Hazou by himself.

Hmm, does anyone object to seriously arguing to Jiraiya that Noburi should be the heir?
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Re Noburi Heir: Mainly that even if we start this conversation off explicitly with "This is just for who's next in line after Naruto, who we definitely want as heir as who we'll totally find", it'll still probably be a sore spot. Also, that we shouldn't talk to J about anything without having talked about it with Noburi first (that's the lesson of the day, yes?)


TarzanNn said:
No, wait, don't say tha-



Well, Hazou had Akane as a cute minion...



I find myself in desperate need of "horrified" post rating. Does anyone know a way of adding one that doesn't involve hacking SV server?
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There is the "Screaming in Kagome" plugin, which I enjoy and highly recommend!
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Noburi won't be able to drain Keiko's chakra inconspicuously because Noburi can't just throw an arm around Keiko's shoulders 'in celebration' or anything, Keiko will react badly to the touch and that will cause a scene.

It's still an option if Keiko looks like she's about to flee, but if we go through with it we should be prepared for it causing a scene.
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How easy would it be for him to go from checking over her for wounds to draining?
 
Attacking Keiko or any of her summons strikes me as a bad idea.

Yes, Jiraiya gave us a carte blanche to do whatever is necessary but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stay civil. We still have to live with Keiko once this is over and I am not sure attacking a family/party member is something you can take back easily.

If talking her down fails, we can just have Jiraiya take it from there.
 
Tua said:
Anyway, as @Cariyaga said this isn't a productive line of discussion so this will be the last I say about this. You either believe me at this point or you don't.
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While I still can't read that one post non-maliciously, I'm willing to take it on faith that my perceptions are wrong. With that in mind, let's dismiss this incident and pass the baton of destructive miscommunication back to the MfD cast.

As a comment to the hivemind in general, please keep in mind that the person-persona divide isn't absolute. Sometimes, an injudiciously-phrased comment about one can come across as referring to the other, especially if it can be taken negatively. (e.g. "Velorien is evil and we fear his updates." Being deeply evil, I take it as a compliment, but occasionally it worries me that players might actually want me to post fewer updates so as to avoid things going wrong.)

With that out of the way, we now return you to your scheduled diabolical torment. [reaches for the "Meanwhile, on the Seventh Path" QM doc]
 
Velorien said:
While I still can't read that one post non-maliciously, I'm willing to take it on faith that my perceptions are wrong. With that in mind, let's dismiss this incident and pass the baton of destructive miscommunication back to the MfD cast.

As a comment to the hivemind in general, please keep in mind that the person-persona divide isn't absolute. Sometimes, an injudiciously-phrased comment about one can come across as referring to the other, especially if it can be taken negatively. (e.g. "Velorien is evil and we fear his updates." Being deeply evil, I take it as a compliment, but occasionally it worries me that players might actually want me to post fewer updates so as to avoid things going wrong.)

With that out of the way, we now return you to your scheduled diabolical torment. [reaches for the "Meanwhile, on the Seventh Path" QM doc]
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To be perfectly honest, I do try to keep in mind which QM is writing which update... but it's mainly because we know what you and eaglejarl like writing and if we can arrange for you to write the high-intensity social scenes and eaglejarl to write the high-intensity combat scenes then everyone will be happier for it.

In this case, I'm keeping a minor thread in the back of my head about when the second Ami meeting is going to be written, since I know you liked writing the first one and will probably appreciate the second one falling on your update slot. Right now that thread's pretty happy because the way things look right now is we'll have a chapter talking to Keiko on Sunday and then everything lines up for you to write the second Ami meeting.
 
Tua said:
Attacking Keiko or any of her summons strikes me as a bad idea.

Yes, Jiraiya gave us a carte blanche to do whatever is necessary but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stay civil. We still have to live with Keiko once this is over and I am not sure attacking a family/party member is something you can take back easily.

If talking her down fails, we can just have Jiraiya take it from there.
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I first read that as "Yes, Jiraiya gave us a carte blanche to do whatever is necessary but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stay evil."
 
I don't think Noburi draining is a good idea, because you know, ninja reflex.

We should come up with at least two and more strategies for talking to Keiko.
 
MMKII said:
By the way, on this topic:

We should get him do do more regular teaching stuff at the academy. "Explosives safety with Kagome Gouketsu" once every two weeks or so, for example.

He can get used to dealing with other people in a safe and comfortable environment: yelling about and/or to them about using explosives incorrectly and dangerously, while showing them how to apply explosives correctly and safely, all while being surrounded by the safety blanket provided by the relative density of explosives at his current location.
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See that sounds cool in theory, but I'm not sure how most of konoha's parents will take having a sealmaster bringing shit tons of explosives into a school to show to kids. Actually then again they might be completely into it....this setting is weird...
 
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Roomba said:
Fair. That was definitely a mistake.
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Looking back yeah, Noburi is probably one of the very few people we can trust completely and he's ended up becoming the most level headed one in the group. He doesn't even get mad at Hazo for dumb shit anymore, he just expects to realize and work to fix it. His counsel has become a lot wiser and more important over the quest and we should really start going for his opinion on our plans and stuff more often.

Roomba said:
Well, technically, we'd be making a decision for Noburi in that case as well - to figuratively put him in the line of fire. He'd get to choose where he wanted to stand on said line, but wouldn't have the option to step off it.
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I think it's more the "you should have trusted me with this much and let me choose to help or not" over just making that choice for him. He'd rather be in the know. Obviously you have a good point though, I thought of it the same way before hand but now I see that was a mistake and we probably shouldn't have taken it on completely alone when Jiraiya is so busy as is without dealing with this too.

Roomba said:
Hazou using his own initiative in a social context to improve our plan? Next plan has to start with checking ears for Lupchanz.
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He's learning, you must all be proud

Roomba said:
Noburi is the best. Why doesn't Jiraiya want him to be the heir? He'd do a much better job than Hazou, as he is right now.

Wait a minute...
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He's got the levelheadedness for more of a number 2 kind of guy
 
Shadowwarp said:
See that sounds cool in theory, but I'm not sure how most of konoha's parents will take having a sealmaster brining shit tons of explosives into a school to show to kids. Actually then again they might be completely into it....this setting is weird...
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Parents don't really have a say in how their kids are schooled in ninja class beyond "don't blow them up".
 
Halberdier said:
Re Noburi Heir: Mainly that even if we start this conversation off explicitly with "This is just for who's next in line after Naruto, who we definitely want as heir as who we'll totally find", it'll still probably be a sore spot. Also, that we shouldn't talk to J about anything without having talked about it with Noburi first (that's the lesson of the day, yes?)
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Honestly let's not even bring up the heir thing at all unless Naruto is found or dead. There's no point, we're just a placeholder, and it could end up starting a fight.
 
i just had a thought flash across my brain: if we get Naruto back he could literally just cross his fingers and work a single afternoon and every single village in Fire would have new walls and be free and clear of chakrabeasts
 
Shadowwarp said:
See that sounds cool in theory, but I'm not sure how most of konoha's parents will take having a sealmaster brining shit tons of explosives into a school to show to kids. Actually then again they might be completely into it....this setting is weird...
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Remember, at least in the Mist academy, Hazou came back from school at the age of eleven and had a nice conversation with his mother about "Oh boy I learned how to kill people with a garotte today! The turn-and-throw method is best as long as you do it right every time, the steady-pressure method takes too long! So..." . All bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, too.

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When he was eleven, he came home to find momma sitting at the kitchen table, papers spread out around her and her face showing utter despair. She saw him and immediately smiled her perfect, happy smile.

"Hullo, cricket," she said. "How was school? What did you learn today?" He sat down beside her, babbling happily about the three ways to kill a man with a garotte and how he thought that the turn-and-throw method was much more efficient than the grapple-and-steady-pressure method that sensei recommended. After all, as long as you did the throw perfectly it was much faster. The whole time he was babbling, momma kept giving him her perfect smile and never once looked at the stack of bills with "OVERDUE" stamped across them in big red kanji.
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Honoka is like eight.

I think we can get Kagome to teach the more senior students how to use explosives without a major kerfuffle. They're training to become super soldiers, after all.
 
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Cariyaga said:
I think Mari would be very dissapointed in you for underestimating how much damage a motivated genjutsu expert can do.
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tbh Naruto has a rather simple solution to genjutsu: dispel, find, and punch the genjutsu user.

Jashin below, having nigh-infinite chakra reserves and shadow clones is a fucking ridiculous combo
 
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