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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Noumero said:
It's not our failure as such, but... it's responsible for the dynamic displayed in that chapter. Hazou was portrayed as a short-term thinker, with no idea how to win R2, to contrast Shikamaru who already thought so very far ahead. But we-the-hivemind had plans for R2, even if they weren't aligned with Shikamaru's. If Hazou was aware of them, it would've been closer to a negotiation instead of a condescending lecture, we would've been in a better position to re-negotiate or modify Shikamaru's plan, etc.
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Let's just say I disagree that anything we could've done would've changed the content of that chapter beyond superficial details. It's fine if Hazou isn't as smart as Shikamaru, in any case. Hard to compete with a bloodline that effectively says he's right about things.

I do have a solution to this problem, after thinking on it a bit, though. Just limit interactions with the Nara to a necessary minimum. If Hazou doesn't talk to them, he doesn't get condescended to. Easy.
 
Plan Part: Revenge
Go on a murderous rampage across the elemental nations. Requirements 20xNxP implosion seals for N teammates on board and P population centers targeted, enough skywalkers to travel to each P, and N>=1

import numpy as np
nSeal = 20
Vf = 10959 # 17.4 m radius hemisphere
Vi = 16755 * nSeal # n*20 m radius hemisphere
n = Vi *42.24 # mol
R = 8.3144598 # J/mol-K
T = 293 # K
e = 4.184e6 # J/kgTNT
W = -np.log(Vf/Vi) *(n*R*T)/e #mass in kg

If the 20 -> 17.4 m radius version is correct, detonating 20 simultaneous seals is equivalent to ~ 28190 kg TNT explosion (see spoilered code for math), which decimates unreinforced buildings (virtually all building in this area that haven't been dug underground), and shrapnel/debris kills most folks within a 280 m radius (5 psi reflected overpressure radius), and does extensive damage+injuries/deaths out to 520 m (2 psi overpressure readius)

In the above code, change nSeal to model the effect of different numbers of stacked seals (essentially, compress nSeal*Vi Volume and n molecules down to the same Vf, and assume the same assumptions still hold), then go to UN - SaferGuard - Kingery Bulmash Blast Parameter Calculator and use the given charge weight and mess with the range to see reflected overpressures at a tested range.
 
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faflec said:
Resurrection ≠ immortality, thus the statement is irrelevant.
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I don't think theres a meaningful distinction after a certain point between the two. If you are perpetually resurrected, are you immortal? Is the Nameless One not immortal then? At some point it just becomes pendantic.

Roomba said:
Let's just say I disagree that anything we could've done would've changed the content of that chapter beyond superficial details. It's fine if Hazou isn't as smart as Shikamaru, in any case. Hard to compete with a bloodline that effectively says he's right about things.

I do have a solution to this problem, after thinking on it a bit, though. Just limit interactions with the Nara to a necessary minimum. If Hazou doesn't talk to them, he doesn't get condescended to. Easy.
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Shikaku and his son seem to have a predisposition for being a bit rude/abrupt and fairly lazy. I don't think this is necessarily a general Nara thing.

I found it has improved my reactions to Shikamaru if I pretend he is some sort of genius teenager with mild narcolepsy symptoms or something. Which is close enough to the actual case.
 
Regarding the difference between Air burst and Surface burst
The best estimate I've found so far for the modeled difference between an Air bust and a Surface burst for a given charge of TNT is a reflection coefficient - which models how effective the ground is in acting as a mirror to the initial charge.
Cr = 1 is no reflection, i.e. the wave travels spherically down into the ground
Cr = 2 is perfect reflection i.e. no energy travels into the ground at all

The accepted Cr is ~1.7-1.8 for most surface burst cases, and the UN - SaferGuard - Kingery Bulmash Blast Parameter Calculator calculator is specifically for surface bursts. To use the same calculator for air bursts, a simple model would be to divide the effective surface charge by 1.7, to get an effective airburst charge.

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Air bursts are generally more effective, however, because they don't have pathing issues within their destructive radii - there is generally a good line of effect to each target, whereas ground bursts have to travel around all the nearby targets before getting out to the theoretical radius.
 
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Roomba said:
Let's just say I disagree that anything we could've done would've changed the content of that chapter beyond superficial details. It's fine if Hazou isn't as smart as Shikamaru, in any case. Hard to compete with a bloodline that effectively says he's right about things.

I do have a solution to this problem, after thinking on it a bit, though. Just limit interactions with the Nara to a necessary minimum. If Hazou doesn't talk to them, he doesn't get condescended to. Easy.
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I don't generally have issues with being condescended to so long as it isn't obviously intentional, myself.

Additionally, Hazou has never really shown it to bother him, and has always been rather pragmatic about useful ideas.
 
eaglejarl said:
I've finished figuring out what happens and it's now time to actually write it. All I can say is: Wow. It did not come out the way I expected. The other QMs and I are bracing ourselves for the reaction.
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Just to, uh, avoid a repeat but did you make use the walking encyclopedia @faflec just in case? :D
 
It's fine, guys. We can still do stuff with Hiashi as Hokage. Jiraiya is still the most powerful Konoha ninja by a considerable margin, will likely retain his spymaster position, and our clan already made a major contribution to the village with Skywalkers. What suffers most are our major diplomatic ambitions, but otherwise we're going to be ok.

Cariyaga said:
I don't generally have issues with being condescended to so long as it isn't obviously intentional, myself.

Additionally, Hazou has never really shown it to bother him, and has always been rather pragmatic about useful ideas.
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Eh, if it wasn't clear, I was being more than a little tongue-in-cheek with that observation. I'm not actually that bothered by Hazou being talked down to, but @Noumero thought it was a major problem that we needed to address, hence my reply.
 
Roomba said:
It's fine, guys. We can still do stuff with Hiashi as Hokage. Jiraiya is still the most powerful Konoha ninja by a considerable margin, will likely retain his spymaster position, and our clan already made a major contribution to the village with Skywalkers. What suffers most are our major diplomatic ambitions, but otherwise we're going to be ok.
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Is he going to be helpful or a prick in our search for Naruto?

Is Hiashi going to force us to do missions we don't want just to keep us out of the village?
 
Kiba said:
Is he going to be helpful or a prick in our search for Naruto?

Is Hiashi going to force us to do missions we don't want just to keep us out of the village?
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He needs Naruto just as much as we do since he is a weapon for the Village.
 
Kiba said:
Is he going to be helpful or a prick in our search for Naruto?
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To be fair, given how important jinchuuriki are I bet he'll still prioritize the search; the questions are a) how effective he'll be (as intel stuff like this is more Jiraiya's thing) and b) will he put it as high a priority as it should be (ie, oh god we're all going to die).
 
eaglejarl said:
I've finished figuring out what happens and it's now time to actually write it. All I can say is: Wow. It did not come out the way I expected. The other QMs and I are bracing ourselves for the reaction.
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This of course could be interpreted in any number of ways. Perhaps we actually lost. Perhaps everyone fell into traps, with no punching to be had in spite of expectations. Perhaps the battle just took an interesting and unexpected direction.

So... nice trolling!
 
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Hmm, things didn't go as expected because someone went full stupid and got themselves or someone else killed? If it was one of them who died, that introduces complications of all sorts but isn't necessarily too awful. If it was one of us, the sky will burn.
 
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