Remove ads

Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Reader mode
Dictator4Hire said:
I was thinking more intensive care for the moderate consequences we have been inflicting upon the genin we've come across already.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Moderate Consequences take a week to heal, generally. They don't need intensive care.

Dictator4Hire said:
Let me clarify: in my previous post I meant that Mist could interrupt this event between the swapping of the teams so that the blue teams would have a chance to recover before they would become the new red teams.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Yes, I got that.

Dictator4Hire said:
So long as they have the majority of the other kage and other villages leaders agreeing with them about the necessity of a rest between rounds they will have their justification. Everyone knows (or will know) by the end of this round that we have been extremely lenient to our opponents so far but that does not mean that we have been ingratiating ourselves to said opponents either. It's unavoidable that they will resent us after the can of whoop ass we opened onto them. The issue is that by inflicting moderate consequences on the majority of participants we have irritated their leaders who will also make up a majority in deciding how the exams should progress and if a break is needed. All Mist has to do (or any other aggrieved party for that matter) is to make the idea of a respite sound like a mutually beneficial arrangement for almost everyone for it to happen. There won't be any real international political consequences to take a break if Mist, Rock, Lightning, and Wind all need it. The one upside is that this will go down in history and will give Jiraiya enormous amounts of leverage in the upcoming negotiations with Mist.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Requiring a break due to their genin getting their assess kicked is pretty much an admission of weakness. And I would really doubt they'd want to give Jiraiya additional leverage through such a delay anyways.

Honestly, this kind of thing probably happens every few years in the exams anyways. There's always going to be some genius or super team that excels beyond expectations popping up every now and then.
 
Last edited:
Enjou said:
Requiring a break due to their genin getting their assess kicked is pretty much an admission of weakness. And I would really doubt they'd want to give Jiraiya additional leverage through such a delay anyways.

Honestly, this kind of thing probably happens every few years in the exams anyways. There's always going to be some genius or super team that excels beyond expectations popping up every now and then.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Sasuke and Naruto as A or S-rankers probably don't need to crush an entire round of opponents, do they?

Regardless, I say a week long break would be exploited by Jiraiya to hell and back.
 
Immortal Lurker said:
Are you getting that from the Fifth Chunin Exam Event rules post, or chapter 194? The informational post stopped being valid.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Chapter 194.

I stopped consulting the informational for the rules post altogether once 194 was posted, since it was implied it was going to get subtly changed or thrown out.
 
Enjou said:
As I've stated repeatedly, I fully expect that those who have had Moderate Consequences inflicted upon them in Round 1 to withdraw from Round 2 for the most part. This is a combat event and while the candidates are expected to have restraint with regards to inflicting injuries, the risk of severe, crippling injuries does exists. People with pre-existing Moderate Consequences would greatly increase that risk by trying to go into a second round with them, for little to no gain - how many ninja would risk a career ending injury just to participate in another round of an exam? Hell, how many of their jonin sensei would let them even if they were so inclined? The injury that Noburi is inflicting is actually quite nasty, as it pretty much fucks up their ability to do any kind of physical combat, with even throwing kunai being affected due to how they would have to balance. But most importantly, it hinders their ability to dodge attacks. Frankly, any sensible person would drop out if they had that injury and their word half was taken.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

So let's game out how this works. Do you expect the drop-out to occur before the second half of the event begins, or will they go to event start and then immediately everyone raises their hands and hobbles off to the medical stations?

If it's before event start, how does Mist adjust the numbers? Or do they just leave some teams 'understaffed' with no one in them?

In an "ideal" rampage, there would only be 12 genin left going into Round 2, our team and ISC; then they would automatically make the tournament. However it seems unlikely to me we're going to achieve that ideal. There will be some people with tricks sufficient to evade the pangolins, and very possibly a red team that manages to secure their documents and get back to the Tower before we get around to them. Of course, then the survivors are all Red teams, meaning that some people will be Red twice if they have to continue.
 
MMKII said:
For Red its -25 for Moderate (per teammate) and -30 for being in a cell (per teammate).
Blue is just -25 for Moderate (per teammate) and -75 for the stolen docs.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
So, Team Downfall and Hinata just lost 300 points, and we gained 185? Sounds like a good half hour. We definitely want to make sure everyone else loses their appropriate points.

Hmm... if ISC is on a blue team and willing to cooperate, we could stick all the Red Team prisoners we find in their place, but that's not to our advantage, since then we'd basically be giving up our hopes of getting into the tournament in exchange for ISC's blue team.

Edit: wait, I'm silly. We don't need to use Blue team cells, we can just use cells. That'll get any Red Team we intercept - 495 points (sorry for being slow guys).
 
Last edited:
Radvic said:
So, Team Downfall and Hinata just lost 300 points, and we gained 185? Sounds like a good half hour. We definitely want to make sure everyone else loses their appropriate points.

Hmm... if ISC is on a blue team and willing to cooperate, we could stick all the Red Team prisoners we find in their place, but that's not to our advantage, since then we'd basically be giving up our hopes of getting into the tournament in exchange for ISC's blue team.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
In this Round I don't think theres a way out of this that doesn't involve beating the snot out of everyone but our team, unfortunately. The math just isn't going to bend as far as how the score counts are estimated at the moment. Next Round we might be able to get up to some shenanigans to widen the gap.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
Second thought: Holy shit, if I can push to 40 die as genin something's screwy. I'll pick a smoother stat distribution, but I have to say: Intelligence is the big dump stat here. Literally no combat branches use Intelligence except for Summoning, so Summoning kinda has to be broken as hell to be worth an Int build.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
So I said this about a year ago.

While it's true that we did switch systems and thus got rid of Intelligence, it appears that yes, Summoning is broken as fucking shit.
 
@faflec

A question or two in my pursuit to try to game Round 2. You mentioned proximity detonated Implosion seals to deal with tunnelers or invisigirl. I think I have an idea to leverage this into some fairly feasible defensive traps that would disable oncoming enemies with extreme nonlethal prejudice and also serve as a warning alarm for tunnelers. To that end:

1) Remind me the mechanics of 5SB work wrt the central seal and the support seals, can we use just the central seal for a weakened "fixed object wrt Earth's core" effect or do we need to use at least one of the support seals? I vaguely remember this coming up in a convo between Hazou and Kagome or in the thread proper at some point. Do you know off the top of your head?

2) What was our source for Pangolin Peppers, Panjandrum? These aren't necessarily any more expensive for him to procure than regular peppers, right? At least I don't think recall it being difficult to get a hold of. Do you know if theres any spot where he talks about how easy these are to procure?
 
MMKII said:
1) Remind me the mechanics of 5SB work wrt the central seal and the support seals, can we use just the central seal for a weakened "fixed object wrt Earth's core" effect or do we need to use at least one of the support seals? I vaguely remember this coming up in a convo between Hazou and Kagome or in the thread proper at some point. Do you know off the top of your head?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
eaglejarl said:
"Sky Walking seals?" Kagome-sensei said, shaking the paper clutched in his right hand at Hazō. "You want to modify the Five Seal Barrier to use only one seal? And you want to modify my Lesser Barrier Formation?! Madness! It's obviously madness and craziness and—" He paused, head cocked in thought. "Well...I mean...hm. You could dampen the harmonic on the...no, that wouldn't work. Maybe if you deconvolved the...no, no, no, that might just turn your brain inside out. Ooh, you could...no, that would be stupid. Hm." He pulled a bit of charcoal out of the fire, flipped Hazō's notes over, and started scribbling on the back in complete obliviousness of the genin's horrified look.

The entire group stayed silent, watching with a wary amusement as Kagome scribbled on the paper for several minutes.

"Ha!" he said finally, sounding thoroughly satisfied. "I was right: it's obviously madness. Not going to happen." He waved the sheet at Hazō dramatically. "This? This crazy idea on how you can get rid of four of the seals by decohering the resonances through the fifth and twelfth dimensions? Ridiculous! Absolutely ridiculous! Don't you think people have thought of this? Of course they have, and most of them got turned into goo, or eaten by tentacular horrors from beyond space and time, or both! People have wanted a one-seal variant on the Five Seal Barrier since forever! If it was as simple as decohering the resonance on two dimensions, don't you think someone would have thought of it? It's obviously wrong! Obviously!"
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
No, the central seal alone won't work.
MMKII said:
2) What was our source for Pangolin Peppers, Panjandrum? These aren't necessarily any more expensive for him to procure than regular peppers, right? At least I don't think recall it being difficult to get a hold of. Do you know if theres any spot where he talks about how easy these are to procure?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Most likely. As for the rest...eh?
 
MMKII said:
Eh, good enough.

5SB: So one central seal and one or two supporting seals should have some drasticaly weakened version of the usual effect?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Velorien said:
- Five-Seal Barrier

A protective seal is placed on an object with a maximum volume determined by the sealcrafter's skill. The target must not possess chakra, or be part of a greater object (e.g. one section of a wall).

While the seal is in place, both it and the object cannot be moved (relative to the centre of the earth), and gain massive damage resistance, enough to be indestructible by any art Kagome knows. This effect lasts for 30 days, gradually decaying over time.

Four equidistant supporting seals must be placed between 3 and 100 metres from the object. If any of these are broken or removed, the object's damage resistance will decrease proportionately. If all four are broken or removed, the Five-Seal Barrier will deactivate. This will also happen if the four supporting seals and the central seal are moved relative to each other in any way.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yes. I'd like to point out, though, that 3m from the central seal should be well within our ability to hide inside the building.
 
faflec said:
Yes. I'd like to point out, though, that 3m from the central seal should be well within our ability to hide inside the building.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Oh im not worried about the building. Will get back with tangible idea if calculations work out and provide feasability.
 
eaglejarl said:
​
Kagome fidgeted nervously. "Two hundred, huh?" He fidgeted again, looking back and forth between Jiraiya, the books, the storage scroll, and the chocolate. "Okay." He ducked behind one of the walls and came back with three bags, each with a small label painted on.

"Twenty meters, ten meters, half a meter," Kagome said, handing the bags over one by one. "A hundred in each." Fidget, fidget. "You, uh, you can keep the extras."

Jiraiya opened the twenty-meter bag and looked in. A wealth of heavy wooden disks stared back at him. Each one had a seal on one side and the number '20' on the other.

"The half-meter ones are good if the stinkers get up close," Kagome explained. "Probably won't kill 'em, but it gives 'em a good shove so they're offbalance and you can squish 'em. The disks are heavy so you can throw 'em. Boom, squish. Well, really more schlurp, squish. Gets the job done."

"What's the range on the timer?"

"Half a second to two minutes. Or you can set them for proximity detonation. Good for securing the perimeter. Automatically deactivates after twelve hours in case you need to move them."

Jiraiya's eyebrows shot up. That was an unusual trigger mechanism and tricky to get right, especially if there was a secondary trigger built in. "Spherical detection or cone? What's the range?"

"Spherical," Kagome said, as though offended. "What's the point in cones? Just lets the stinkers sneak around 'em. Ten meter range. Goes off if you get tunnelers, but probably won't hurt them. Still, it's a good warning."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
Sorry to intrude on the spoon pile, but I think clarification on the above would be helpful:

Some of the Implosion Seals have a set range of 20m, yet Kagome states that the proximity detection mode only goes off within a range of 10m. He claims that this will detect tunnelers as well, but that it will be unlikely to hurt them.

Well, that seems a bit odd: Does the Implosion Seal have to seal a continuous mass of air then, and said tunneler is protected by not being in contact with the air? Otherwise the dude's lungs would implode just as surely as if he was above ground when the seal went off.

Either that, or the range for the proximity setting isn't quite right. Maybe Kagome meant 10m in addition to the seals range?
 
MMKII said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
Sorry to intrude on the spoon pile, but I think clarification on the above would be helpful:

Some of the Implosion Seals have a set range of 20m, yet Kagome states that the proximity detection mode only goes off within a range of 10m. He claims that this will detect tunnelers as well, but that it will be unlikely to hurt them.

Well, that seems a bit odd: Does the Implosion Seal have to seal a continuous mass of air then, and said tunneler is protected by not being in contact with the air? Otherwise the dude's lungs would implode just as surely as if he was above ground when the seal went off.

Either that, or the range for the proximity setting isn't quite right. Maybe Kagome meant 10m in addition to the seals range?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Hazō wasn't privy to that conversation, so he doesn't know what Kagome-sensei meant.
 
@eaglejarl - are we turning in our documents before we go to talk to Shikamaru and company?

Briefvoice said:
So let's game out how this works. Do you expect the drop-out to occur before the second half of the event begins, or will they go to event start and then immediately everyone raises their hands and hobbles off to the medical stations?

If it's before event start, how does Mist adjust the numbers? Or do they just leave some teams 'understaffed' with no one in them?

In an "ideal" rampage, there would only be 12 genin left going into Round 2, our team and ISC; then they would automatically make the tournament. However it seems unlikely to me we're going to achieve that ideal. There will be some people with tricks sufficient to evade the pangolins, and very possibly a red team that manages to secure their documents and get back to the Tower before we get around to them. Of course, then the survivors are all Red teams, meaning that some people will be Red twice if they have to continue.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I believe that most people will drop out (or be forced to) before Round 2 starts. Especially those who Noburi has inflicted the wound on the ball of their feet that he's been doing here - seriously, try walking without putting weight on the front of your feet. Now imagine trying to sneak around, run, fight, etc. under that restriction. Now imagine it's also painful to put weight on the balls of your feet like that. Under that condition do you think many people would be willing to walk several miles out into the wilderness, and then try to do an exam that is likely to involve combat?

Distribution does become interesting. My thought is that they'll first decrease the total number of teams, trying to keep the total number of people per team as high as close to nine as they can, because that would appear fair. So if there's 16 Red Team people left and 17 Blue Team people left, I'd expect this round having one Red Team with nine people, one with eight, and two Blue Teams with eight people. This is problematic only if there's a significant disparity in the number of "survivors" on each side - say 16 surviving Red Team people and 5 Blue Team people, which would make the division rather uneven. (though this is perfectly allowable by the rules, and would be realistic as a war simulation) I'll also say that it's rather likely that more people will come out better on the Red Team side this round, because they don't have objectives to defend and thus are more likely to be able to run and hide.

If there's a sufficient disparity, I doubt they'll just put some Red Team people on the Red Team again. That would lead to a disparity in the number of points that can be earned, which would likely be objectionable to the Kages. But if there's a sufficiently small number left, they could do a mini-tournament like in canon where the remaining people eliminate one another through a combat round until there's only 16 left. They'd probably check word halves early before doing that though, to eliminate as many people as possible through event scoring. (it does occur to me that they may well collect word halves after Round 1 regardless - they've never said when that part of the event will be over, and it doesn't necessarily end after the fifth event is done)

Now, what I'd consider an ideal rampage is that there are 16 people or less left in total. If you have that, then Mist can just call off Round 2, put the survivors in the tournament, and then pull in the remainder from the top scorers among the wounded. Probably won't happen, as I imagine there's likely to be a few more survivors than that.
 
Adept_Woodwright said:
I just figured it was a strict Line of Sight to the seal limitation.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
This would be absolutely ideal for my purposes but now the question is also:

"Does Hazou know about the proximity detonation feature?"

Which seems a bit weird to me since I would think Kagome wouldve given at least a working mans explanation of all the features of any of his seals hes stocked Hazou up with.
 
Enjou said:
Now imagine it's also painful to put weight on the balls of your feet like that. Under that condition do you think many people would be willing to walk several miles out into the wilderness
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yes. Source: have walked over ten miles in a day with bleeding feet in the wilderness with and know dozens of other people who also did so.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top