TaliesinSkye
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I haven't read the manga, so I can't speak to whether he's got issues there too. Given how PG-13 the anime is it wouldn't surprise me if his issues in the manga were worse.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Kishimoto doesn't start becoming consistent with characters until Shippuden and even then it gets a little too weird to be believable sometimes
TaliesinSkye
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Is the Shippuden writing a marked improvement, then?
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Well, sort of. With respect to the characters I'd say its a little better.
With respect to the mechanics of the setting, wow what the fuck is really the only thing I have to say to that.
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Huh. This actually made me dig out a book to find an exact quote, because Lois McMaster Bujold put this sort of situation as beautifully as I've ever read it:
I think people are focusing a little overmuch on "it's unpleasant to become a tool" and not enough on her directly saying "I can't live my life as an extension of yours." That's the real meaningful part there.
Good update.
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Considering all the rational problems associated with picking Naruto as a setting, why'd people settle on it, out of curiosity?
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@eaglejarl and @Velorien had already written fanfiction on Naruto by the time the quest started, as did one of the worldbuilders, @Jackercracks. Dunno about @AugSphere.
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto got chosen because it's so irrational. There's an itch, when you see something so obviously wrong, to go and fix it, and I've seen that manifest a lot in fanfiction. Bad authors vastly outnumber good authors as a general rule, so often it's simple wish fulfillment like 'The Pokemon anime, but Ash is super smart and never makes any mistakes ever', but that doesn't mean good authors aren't scratching that itch too.
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Okay, so here's my idea of how the Sharingan bloodline works. It doesn't cover every data point, since I think there was a post that showed that the Kurosawa's first non-Uchiha ancestor (who shall henceforth be known as Sharingan lady) was the offspring of a Uchiha and a civilian, yet she still had the Sharingan. However, if we assume that Kurosawa with the Sharingan do currently exist (and forget about the first Kurosawa), then here is my proposal.
The Sharingan bloodline is polygenic. There is one gene for Iron Nerve, and one for Sharingan.
The gene responsible for Iron Nerve is dominant, thus the F1 generation (the Sharingan lady's 2 sons) both having the Iron Nerve (1/4 chance for both of them to have inherited her single Iron Nerve gene). This also explains why there are so many Kurosawas with Iron Nerve despite the clan being relatively recent (at least, I think it is?). There are probably a ton of heterozygotes who only have one copy of the gene, but they still have IN because it's dominant.
The gene for the Sharingan itself however, is recessive. This is why the F1 generation did not also have the Sharingan, yet Sharingan users have started popping up recently in the Kurosawa clan.
Another proposal takes into account that the P generation (Sharingan lady) had the Sharingan despite being the offspring of a Uchiha/civilian cross. This idea is that both genes are dominant, and the Sharingan gene was simply eliminated from the gene pool early on. This would mean that reports of Kurosawas with the Sharingan are simply fake, and is the much more likely option, given Sharingan lady.
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It's supposed to be accurate, yes. We'll find out how well we managed the translation, but we think it's good.
Yes, but it makes sense to use the more specific term. It's like saying "I took my motorcycle to the store" as opposed to "I took my vehicle to the store."
Yes. The bonus will be negative, though.
Well, there's this one guy with the Rinnegan....
Also, Kakashi is a great field ninja and a terrible teacher.
It's a very engaging setting. Lots of great powers, exciting combat, cool potential for munchkinry, etc.
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There's that other guy with the sharingan, too.
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No seriously, did Henge get eaten already?
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Emstar
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Henge Does Kill, folks.
"Bloodline inheritence works however we say it does on a case by case basis."
-- the QMs
-- the QMs
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Hey, they've got at least one biologist on the team, I'm sure they can figure it out in a way that works reasonably
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I am amused by just how impressionable Akane is. I suppose that's one of her primary character traits, so it makes sense that she's halfway to integrating Haru into herself by now, given the time she's spent with him.
Like seriously evidence Akane easily follows impressionable people:
Like seriously evidence Akane easily follows impressionable people:
- Admired Gai and "YOUTH" ever since academy
- Fell for traitorous teacher's plot
- Followed a cult leader
- Only left because she saw a stronger cult figure to follow
- Is adopting the ideology of Haru
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I rated your post Insightful but this should get its own Funny rating.
Hey, they've got at least one biologist on the team, I'm sure they can figure it out in a way that works reasonably
Speaking as also a biologist, I would expect bloodline/non-bloodline crossbreeds to mostly be stillborns.
Take Iron Nerve, for example. It directly fucks with your brain and peripheral nervous system. Who knows what happens if you're heterozygous for something which causes a such major change to your brain development? I ain't touching that mess with a ten-foot scalpel. You could easily end up with babies that are completely paralysed and die upon birth because they can't move their intercostal muscles in order to breathe. Frozen Skein is arguably worse. Halfblood Moris might end up lacking important brain regions, or getting duplicate regions that squash the parts that are supposed to be there so they don't have room to properly develop. Or just getting a slight problem with their synapses that mean they can't fire, and the kid is born braindead.
Genetics gets really dark when you fuck with it. It can be really hard to predict what's going to happen when you mix sufficiently different genomes. If you're lucky, you get mules. If you're still kinda lucky, you get Cnemidophorus neomexicanus (an all-female species of hybrid lizards which can only reproduce by parthenogenesis because there are no males). But that's only if the species are close enough together that the alleles mostly have direct counterparts in the mate's species. With bloodlines, you might be dealing with a situation where that isn't true, and then things get real fucking messy.
If I was the QMs I would say bloodline inheritence runs on chakra-magic, not DNA.
E: Though I feel I should say as a disclaimer that this sort of thing isn't something I've looked into in much detail, and I could be wrong on points.
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TaliesinSkye
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Presumably the clans known ICly how it works even if we don't, right? I imagine the Nara would only marry Keiko to someone who could produce Frozen Skein babies, for instance.
DNA could be involved in the inheritance process, but not the actual process by which the bloodline is integrated into the body. Say a member of the Uchiha clan has the Sharingan DNA Marker, and so when BloodlineManagement.dll does its weekly worldwide sweep for fertilized zygotes with the bloodline DNA it registers that unborn child with the Sharingan.dll so they'll end up developing it. Might also explain some bloodline mutations, where perhaps the Iron Nerve DNA Marker is very similar to the Sharingan DNA Marker, and a bug in the system means an occasional mismatch is made. (the DNA markers might have a range to account for mutations, or something) Some markers might require two copies.
Breeding two bloodline users might have unpredictable results. Maybe the person inherits only one bloodline. Or in cases of some rare compatible ones, they might inherit both. (I'm wondering at a combination of the Byakugan and the Iron Nerve, to think how terrifying that might be) Or there might be some cases where having two different markers very rarely results in access to an extremely rare bloodline that comes about very, very rarely. Like say you need the Senju and the Uchiha markers to get the Rinnegan.
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If the Nara's talents are a bloodline and not just intelligence and education I could see the Frozen Skein and it being compatible. Might be what the Nara want to find out.
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Yuuuuuuup, that could have been a hell of a lot worse.
Well let's see what part 2 has in store, shall we?
Well let's see what part 2 has in store, shall we?