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Damn, a Hinta x Hazo child would have been terrifying. An unstoppable force of taijutsu with both the iron nerve and the byakugan.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Damn, a Hinta x Hazo child would have been terrifying. An unstoppable force of taijutsu with both the iron nerve and the byakugan.
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I'd presume that at least a majority of the ninja who attend get promoted. They're supposed to be the best their villages have to offer, and only allowing a handful of those to actually become chunin every year would be way too few chunin.
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Isn't the Nara clan techniques just that, techniques? I may be recalling wrong, but as I recall the conversation with Shikaku about the Skywalkers, he mentioned how the Nara who developed their shadow techniques spent two years making sure that they couldn't be used against the Nara clan?
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No, the conversation mentioned a Nara who developed a technique only the Nara could use over two years.
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Hinata is something of a rival because of politics right now, it's true. But I don't want to treat her as an enemy and thereby solidify that relationship forever. If we act graciously (don't allow ourselves to get stabbed in the back, but don't stab her either) in the interests of helping all the Leaf teams score as well as possible we might just be able to earn her respect. Having people in her clan with positive feelings towards us could pay real dividends some day.
On the topic of bloodline crosses, does that mean that Bloodline A x Bloodline B = No Bloodline, but Bloodline A x Non-bloodline Ninja B = Bloodline A?
On the topic of bloodline crosses, does that mean that Bloodline A x Bloodline B = No Bloodline, but Bloodline A x Non-bloodline Ninja B = Bloodline A?
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Or we could betray her and conspire to have her replaced with her younger sister Hanabi. Who would obviously be given power in exchange for her loyalty.
Edit: Sorry, responded before I saw the edit.
No, it means in all cases where Bloodline A x [Not Bloodline A] you will probably get [Not Bloodline A]
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Or we could create sufficient scandal for Hiashi that he can't take the hat from Jiraiya. In a way that makes Hinata feel that she herself was responsible rather than Hazou, while putting on a veneer of graciousness.
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Ah, so Hazo was a rare exception, with his mother having the Iron Nerve and his father not having a bloodline, I think?
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I believe so, yes. OFC the meta reason is that we designed Hazou to have Iron Nerve and the backstory was written after that
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The great-uncle devising a counter-technique implies that it could be used by non-Naras, though.
Then again, I assume that this discussion has already been had, and that my standpoint has already been stated and explored.
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Now I'm thinking about ninja bloodline genetics and it's giving me a headache. It doesn't work like a recessive trait or a dominant trait.
I believe so, yes. OFC the meta reason is that we designed Hazou to have Iron Nerve and the backstory was written after that
Someone designed him as an ass-kicking action hero with social on the side instead of combat gadgetter that Hazō came to be.
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No, that's not what it means. It means that the counter-technique that was invented could only be used by Nara. There may well be a counter-technique that exists for Perpetual Light which isn't limited to the Nara clan, but that hypothetical technique is not what we're talking about. This particular technique can only be used by the Nara clan.
To be fair, we don't know why it can only be used the Nara clan. It might not be bloodline related at all. Could just be that you need gear that only the Nara smiths produce.
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Possible, but any technique the Nara clan would label "only usable by the Nara clan" would scream "bloodline technique!" to me.
Their bloodline is "+5 INT". That tells me that any sufficiently smart person should able to do anything that "only a Nara" can do.
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Yeah, I suspect that it just requires really good analysis and predictive skills. The Nara don't seem to have any bloodline powers more direct than that. If indeed what they have is a bloodline power at all and not just a lifetime of really good education.
Edit: Say, wouldn't they want to ensure that any match for Keiko would produce Frozen Skein children? Otherwise the chance to bring in a new bloodline would be lost. Wouldn't that mean they'd need to match Keiko to a non-bloodline ninja?
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Right? It feels really, really weird to be the one promoting (some) restraint for once.
There are shades of gray when it comes to realpolitik just like everything else. Political rival != enemy for life
Underlines mine.
Hinata, as a clan heir, must follow the orders of her clan head, Hiashi, (hopefully (if she is more loyal to Leaf than her clan)) barring outright traitorous acts. Hiashi is a political rival to Jiraiya and again barring any criminal actions political rivals are a normal part of politics in Leaf. I do not know for certain (and please, someone correct me if I am wrong with a quote from the official MfD canon chapters), but I believe MfD!Hiruzen engaged MfD!Danzo in somewhat similar political skirmishes before Danzo (I'm assuming) did some heinous act that demanded his head on a platter. Hinata has no malice in her intentions and we must respond in kind: as civilized, yet opposed politicians.
Unless we want to turn leaf into a full autocracy similar to Nazi Germany, the USSR, or worse we must accept that loyal opposition is a fundamental, necessary part of Leaf's (and any worthwhile nation's) political process. We could go full Gestapo on her and any other dissidents who do not fully and unconditionally support Jiraiya as the Hokage, but then we would be leading by and through fear, not cooperation as Hazou has been preaching.
Hazou wants to be the good guy. He wants a better world for everyone who lives in it and who has yet to be born (and possibly for the people whom we have not resurrected yet (looking at you @MadScientist )). However, Hinata acting unopposed still could threaten his dream. So, what do we do?
We break out the kid gloves.
Just as wolves or lions assert their dominance in their packs or prides we have to secure our metaphorical place (and Jiraiya's) as alphas in our hierarchies. Hinata and Hiashi have not used any means that I am aware that would directly harm Leaf's interests by directly attacking us just as wolves and lions don't use their claws and teeth when one individual tries to usurp the current alpha's position. Just as using claws and teeth against each other in a competition could lead to the death of a member of the pack or pride (and therefore weakening it as a whole), so too must we prove our worthiness to the Hyuuga.
To do this we have to follow the main plan of crush the exams personally (as in, primarily our team) and/or find ourselves in a public position against Hinata where we can prove our superiority. We need to dominate her (nothing lewd) in such a way that it would be obvious to her, Hiashi, and anyone who is watching that we could utterly destroy her if we wanted to, that there is no way for her to escape, and that we could trap her again in such a way if she would ever openly act against us and then after she concedes we let her go. Think of it as a professional wrestler who grabs his opponent, lifts him into the air, and then could body slam his opponent but then chooses to gently set him down and pin him instead. After the referee calls the match the victor must then be a good sport and help the loser to his feet to show that there are no hard feelings. There must be no question as to what could have happened in the match and that the victor could have and easily could once more put the loser in that same place time and time again.
Save the lethal force for our true enemies: the ones that want us dead and cannot be reasoned with. We absolutely should not be planning to permanently scuttle a possible alliance with the Hyuuga over who wears the hat.
This is politics people: having to compete with people and not kill them. We signed up for this as soon as we became a part of Jiraiya's clan; we're gonna have to get used to it rather than rely on our instincts as wanted fugitives. It's about time we made the adjustment.
I'm not saying we should make her an enemy for life. That requires her knowing we were behind this, and I think we can trick her into feeling responsible for something embarrassing to the Hyuuga herself. Afterwards, we can give her the Neji treatment, and wrap her around our finger. (wow this is getting machiavellian... not that that makes it any less valid, but wow)
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I feel the chance of such a plan backfiring is an unacceptable risk.
Neji works because he was an opportunity that fell into our lap.
That kind of political scheming probably don't work in life, especially when you must contend with the political schemes of hundred people+. You can only react to someone's reaction.
I'm confident in our abilities to collectively find a way to make it not backfire. If we're willing to actually try.
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Do you have an actual plan for how you could pull such a thing off? I can't imagine a way to do it.
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Yeah, I haven't been able to express it properly, but I feel like trying to pull one over so thoroughly on the person who can see through walls omnidirectionally is likely to result in us getting caught. At least, without a heavily disproportionate amount of effort that could be invested in other things instead.