Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
It's fine, we just have to 'disqualify' some civilians, too.
e: ...Actually. What about starting some sort of physically involved competition? Arm wrestling or whatever?
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
e: ...Actually. What about starting some sort of physically involved competition? Arm wrestling or whatever?
- Location
- Yes.
I mean, we're going to be able to ID all the civilians really quickly, since we can see sweat leave their bodies.
...that reminds me, my calculations are wrong! I hadn't accounted for the civilians we'd ID'd from before the Fourth Event.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
I'm not sure I follow your math. If we correctly identify a ninja, it's + 2, if we incorrectly identify a ninja it's - 2. Given there are at least 56 civilians and at most 44 ninja which aren't on our role sheets, that meas we will lose at least 112 points and gain at most 88 points by writing in everyone as a ninja. If there are more "civilians" then we lose more points, and if there are fewer contestants, we will gain fewer points. However the best case scenario mathematically at this point is that we'll lose 24 points by identifying the unknowns as ninjas.
- Location
- Yes.
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Oh I'm a fucking dumbass.
Edit: Alright, we have 44 ninjas and 52-103 civilians. If we gamble on it we lose out on points no matter what, so it's a bad idea to do so.
Sorry for being stupid, it's what I get for rushing my numbers.
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Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
This is a more conservative variation of @faflec 's plan based on some criticism made by @Radvic
Features: no matchmaking, no drunk tomfoolery, Bonku DQ's half a dozen select individuals.
EJ Wordcount: 162 Words
[X] Action Plan: Amai Bonku Sends His Regards
General:
I selected targets based on Oyabuns list. I picked ones that seemed problematic from a combat perspective. Most everyone else seems to have a critical weakness to explosions.
Comments and criticism encouraged as always. Can edit tomorrow and throughout the day.
Features: no matchmaking, no drunk tomfoolery, Bonku DQ's half a dozen select individuals.
EJ Wordcount: 162 Words
[X] Action Plan: Amai Bonku Sends His Regards
General:
- Check everything with Keiko/Noburi.
- Don't break OPSEC.
- Talk separately from STL.
- Head off drama/recriminations; talk after event.
- Offer gained info as thanks.
- Check: Did the tipserator work?
- Stay near teammates.
- Work with other Leaf teams.
- Trade intel.
- Enlist their aid to find counterparts:
- Offer our help finding theirs.
- Offer future aid (e.g., next Event).
- Plots:
- Use sweat: Find disguised ninjas.
- Bonku disqualifies select targets:
- Verbally give Bonku ninjas' civilian IDs to finger.
- He finds and then notifies servants near them that he suspects they are ninja.
- "They did ninja magic!"
- Don't talk to targets.
- Make sure he has names right.
- He finds and then notifies servants near them that he suspects they are ninja.
- Target List (priority order):
- Kotsuzui Kenji
- Sakamoto Shiina
- Yakeyama Ganshō
- Team Downfall
- Verbally give Bonku ninjas' civilian IDs to finger.
- Stay on the defensive until Event ends (sit tight).
I selected targets based on Oyabuns list. I picked ones that seemed problematic from a combat perspective. Most everyone else seems to have a critical weakness to explosions.
Comments and criticism encouraged as always. Can edit tomorrow and throughout the day.
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- Location
- Yes.
Guys, I'm starting to worry that using Bonku to screw over ninjas won't go over well. With Bonku. The guy lives in fear of ninjas coming in to murder him at the slightest provocation, and if we start telling him to screw over ninjas, I don't know what he'll do. I know he thinks we're Mist but I don't know if that'll be enough for him.
Anyway @MMKII I've taken the liberty of rewording some of your plan to save words for possible future plots. May I ask if you'd mind me also borrowing your Bonku plot for my own? I think I have the word space.
Anyway @MMKII I've taken the liberty of rewording some of your plan to save words for possible future plots. May I ask if you'd mind me also borrowing your Bonku plot for my own? I think I have the word space.
- Bonku disqualifies select targets:
- Verbally give Bonku ninjas' civilian IDs to finger.
- He finds and then notifies servants near them that he suspects they are ninja.
- "They did ninja magic!"
- Don't talk to targets.
- Make sure he has names right.
- He finds and then notifies servants near them that he suspects they are ninja.
- Target List (priority order):
- Kotsuzui Kenji
- Sakamoto Shiina
- Yakeyama Ganshō
- Team Downfall
- Verbally give Bonku ninjas' civilian IDs to finger.
- Stay on the defensive until Event ends (sit tight).
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
Here's a basic plan. Nothing fancy, just the nuts and bolts.
Word count: 197 words
[X] Action Plan: The Finishers
Consolidate our advantages and finish out the event. We're in a strong position, but out of chakra. Play it safe and finish it out.
Team Super Leaf Politics:
Word count: 197 words
[X] Action Plan: The Finishers
Consolidate our advantages and finish out the event. We're in a strong position, but out of chakra. Play it safe and finish it out.
Team Super Leaf Politics:
- Before splitting, confirm Team Super Leaf will put down all information about each other in secret ballot (stablest cooperation strategy)
- Make separate offer to Team Asuma and Team Clanless -- we will use our civilian contact in ways they see fit (sanity checked by Keiko) in exchange for chakra (e.g. tell him to tell servants Urahara the Fur Trader is a ninja)
- Distribute the list of 100 known roles among known Leaf-nin
- Stay away from places we could be ambushed, stay within eyesight of each other
- Interact with Bonku as necessary to fulfill deals
- Use "Who's not sweaty" to try to ID ninja not included in our role sheet
- Use all the information we have available to score points, identifying every role, secret role, and ninja we are aware of
- Guess village/team/name/role for all ninja we are unsure of, using logic to determine most probable cases
- Ask non-disguised proctors to prove they are not henged before following their orders
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- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
No see that was *Hana*'s strategy. Hazou strikes me as more of a stimulants kind of guy.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
- Location
- Snarksville, Snarkland
[X] Action Plan: The Finishers
Can you add:
Can you add:
- Guess randomly village/team/name/role for all ninja we are unsure of, using the most represented village and consistent logic
- Do not list Noburi/Keiko
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Um.
Why are the servants supposed to care that someone on the guest list did ninja magic?
- Location
- London
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
Ninjas are not on the guest list. Yoshida Kōsaku the Travelling Actor, et al., are on the guest list.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
Edit: Most of this post has been invalidated by more recent QM clarifications.
Sanity check me please: But why not?
If we have everyone list each other we gain 2+3 points and lose 2 points when they list us in return for a net gain of 3 points. So why wouldn't we list every single Leaf ninja we know the information of and encourage them to do the same?
E:
[] Action Plan: The Finishers
I would prefer an even more conservative plan that doesn't do any shenanigans with Bonku or match making and one that signals (in private!) we want to apologize Akane after the events but that is the closest thing we have. I don't want to fracture votes even more tbh.
E:
[] Action Plan: The Finishers
I would prefer an even more conservative plan that doesn't do any shenanigans with Bonku or match making and one that signals (in private!) we want to apologize Akane after the events but that is the closest thing we have. I don't want to fracture votes even more tbh.
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- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Vampiric Dew lacks that level of precision. It can only tell that a person has "just enough chakra in them to keep them healthy".
Noburi's barrel is "wired" into his chakra system. Anything that senses one would sense the other as part of him. However, if the barrel is out of range for Noburi, he will register as having 1 CP.
The clan heirs will know about Naruto. Rank-and-file ninja should not; nor should civilians. In ambiguous scenarios (Leaf jōnin, Mist clan heirs etc.), err on the side of caution and direct queries to the Hokage or others authorised to comment on Naruto's mission status.
Hiruzen's death is publicly known, but as far as the man in the street is aware, he died in his sleep of old age. This is helped along by the fact that, when he went off to the Ultimate Showdown, Hiruzen assigned an ANBU to occasionally henge as him and wander around the village for an hour or so. The average citizen of Leaf, and even many of the ninja, are not aware that Hiruzen was ever away and certainly don't know that he died in battle.
Jiraiya wants to make a public announcement of the heroism of Hiruzen's death at some point, but the exact timing of that is up in the air and probably no time soon.
You can ask, but close seal variants aren't that common. Usually, a sealmaster will take the time to make/learn a separate seal optimised for any given task, sometimes related, sometimes not.
Impersonating Mist government officials is certainly illegal, as are the majority of things a clever genin would do during the First Event. It's a question of where Mist chooses to draw the line--for example, there's no exam rule against stealing classified state secrets in order to trade them for event information, but you can bet Mist would come down on you like a ton of bricks if you did. So the question is: where will Mist draw the line? More pertinently, where will it draw the line when dealing with you? (Hazō can, for example, imagine Mist going, "Yes, we intend to punish everybody who performed such an unconscionable act, but Team Gōketsu are the only ones we've caught doing it".)
OliWhail's rules. If in doubt, later QM posts trump earlier ones (unless we misremember something, in which case @faflec will doubtless catch it.)
Yes, they do. All voting is a zero-sum game except identifying your secret role counterpart.
It stops. The scent comes from particles on your body and clothes, which are no longer present. In addition, if you were wearing perfume on your real body, it will come back with your real body, but it will not carry over between separate uses of the Transformation Technique.
Edit:
Sort of both? Hazō did it deliberately because it didn't sufficiently register with him that Akane is on a separate team now, and he no longer gets a say in what she does with her personal abilities or whom she chooses to share them with, even if he thinks that doing so would be of net benefit to both of them.
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- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Plan commentary time:
@faflec's plan: This is all clear and easy to work with aside from the section on matchmaking. I feel fuzzy on that section; I think my questions would be "how does this work?" and "why would anyone agree to use it?"
Specific comments:
See earlier comments about matchmaking.
@Radvic's plan: Simple, clear, easy to follow. Only comment: Akane already knows about Bonku, so presumably the rest of Team Clanless does as well. He is how you managed to find each other.
@faflec's plan: This is all clear and easy to work with aside from the section on matchmaking. I feel fuzzy on that section; I think my questions would be "how does this work?" and "why would anyone agree to use it?"
Specific comments:
I'm reading this to mean "give Team Clanless the full list of contestant information that we've gathered thus far (names, roles, villages, etc)". If that's correct then I'll note that everyone heard what Shikamaru gave you, and that was a strict superset of what you already knew.
I read "trade intel" to mean "give them the full list of what we know in exchange for whatever they are able/willing to give us in exchange." The various offers happen after the trade for information is complete and are intended to build on the trust that was just established with the intel dump and invoke reciprocity for it.
"Fake being disguised proctors." Proctors are required to demonstrate that they are not henged. How will you handle this? (It needs to be in the plan, not just in reply to this post.)
See earlier comments about matchmaking.
@Radvic's plan: Simple, clear, easy to follow. Only comment: Akane already knows about Bonku, so presumably the rest of Team Clanless does as well. He is how you managed to find each other.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
Note that is not what is stated in the @OliWhail's post though but I am assuming this is a case of recent QM post > older one?
(Specifically, whenever you lose points it is explicitly mentioned there except for the part where you ID village, team or name which implies there is no point loss).
E:
Did Hazou know this? Because in a previous update he followed a fake proctor into a break room and even in the current one no one had the presence of mind to ask the proctor to ID himself which seems unlikely if they knew about that rule.
Or this purely OOC information?
Regardless, @Radvic please add "Hazou will ask every non-disguised proctor to prove they are not henged before following their orders." (this is for cases where they would ask him to show his word half, de-henge or follow him into a room alone etc).
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[X] Action Plan: The Finishers
@faflec - given this, I think we might want to scrap the matchmaking plan. It makes our use of Bonku too obvious and too high level, thus too risky.
@faflec - given this, I think we might want to scrap the matchmaking plan. It makes our use of Bonku too obvious and too high level, thus too risky.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
If you incorrectly guess extra details, you do not lose points. If you correctly guess them, they do.
A disguised proctor isn't going to ID themselves in public.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
What about the proctors who don't have a civilian persona like the one that talked to us this update? Do they have to confirm they aren't contestants henged as proctors?
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
A suggestion for plans:
[] Make sure to confirm with the rest of STL that everyone is going to put each other down for voting.
Rationale: If anyone on STL votes for anyone else in STL, Mist will definitely make a thing out of it. But, if everyone already knows this is going to happen, then no one will really care. Mist can point out how Leaf is so terrible at being allies that they all mutually betrayed each other, and all we'll do is link arms and take a bow. BUT, if someone for whatever reason doesn't get the message (coughAkanecough), and doesn't write down any of our names, then they're going to lose a lot of points and be really put out. That's bad. Therefore we should make sure to confirm with everyone while we're all still together that this is what we're doing.
[
] "It's not that I don't trust you guys, buuuuut..." (glances at Hinata)
[] Make sure to confirm with the rest of STL that everyone is going to put each other down for voting.
Rationale: If anyone on STL votes for anyone else in STL, Mist will definitely make a thing out of it. But, if everyone already knows this is going to happen, then no one will really care. Mist can point out how Leaf is so terrible at being allies that they all mutually betrayed each other, and all we'll do is link arms and take a bow. BUT, if someone for whatever reason doesn't get the message (coughAkanecough), and doesn't write down any of our names, then they're going to lose a lot of points and be really put out. That's bad. Therefore we should make sure to confirm with everyone while we're all still together that this is what we're doing.
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] "It's not that I don't trust you guys, buuuuut..." (glances at Hinata)
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
I like the gist of it but with the current information, it'd be "Make sure to confirm with STL (and other Leaf teams*) that no one puts each other down for voting because Mist will likely out us in public". That way we can make sure we don't get betrayed since no one wants to be publicly shamed for doing so and the only incentive would have been if it was done in secret.
*And to help with this, don't list any Leaf ninjas in the lists we distribute to the non-STL teams.
Thoughts on this, @Radvic? I think the worst that could come from this is an eye roll from Shikamaru for stating the obvious. But what the last few updates have shown us is that what is obvious to us isn't necessarily obvious to others.
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- Location
- Australia
Not unless you can make a henge that doesn't pop or can cause specific and believable hallucinations in your opponents. You could achieve a similar effect by using conventional disguises but that approach would be limited. To actually achieve proper results you would probably need bio sealing, a shape shifiting bloodline or extensive plastic surgery.