Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Ok now you're not even trying. It should be:
*feedback loop of whispering gradually getting cloSER*
In all likelihood showing that she's a genin. Unless someone wants to troll us, why would they want to henge into a kid?
If anything, we should ask for news. "We haven't been here in a while, so what's going on for the past three weeks?"
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Probably. Henge requires constant concentration to maintain, after all.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Well, then we should offer Panjandrum's finest to our young cohort (I'm sure we have leftovers of the cake). If she's sufficiently not-paranoid to eat it, that should be sufficient to break any henge, and it's a convenient way to go about it without invoking suspicion.
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...by offering them over-spicy cake. Which we may or may not have.
Wouldn't it be easier to have Noburi give the girl a handshake and drain a bit of chakra? It's enough to break Mari-sensei's genjutsu (remember when we broke into the Hot Springs resort?) so should do the same to a Henge.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Sure, it might be easier, but it'd be less entertaining, and I don't see spicy cake as being hazardous to us to use
. Always a good fallback, though.
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- Yes.
Strawman: YOU TRIED TO POISON A MESSENGERSure, it might be easier, but it'd be less entertaining, and I don't see spicy cake as being hazardous to us to use
Us: WE WANTED TO SEE IF SHE WAS UNDER HENGE
Strawman: SHE HAD TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL YOU PSYCHOTIC MISSING-NIN
The simplest hypothesis that explains riff-girl is Mari messing with us.
The next simplest is that Jiraiya, being the world's best sealmaster, researched skywalkers in under an hour and then started distributing them to Leaf ninja with a high priority on speed (such as the messenger corps, which a new-ish genin might reasonably have joined, and a member of which might reasonably habitually disguise themself as a new-ish genin).
The idea that she's an enemy ninja probably isn't even in the top ten, if you consider how closely J's going to be guarding the secret of flight for Leaf.
The next simplest is that Jiraiya, being the world's best sealmaster, researched skywalkers in under an hour and then started distributing them to Leaf ninja with a high priority on speed (such as the messenger corps, which a new-ish genin might reasonably have joined, and a member of which might reasonably habitually disguise themself as a new-ish genin).
The idea that she's an enemy ninja probably isn't even in the top ten, if you consider how closely J's going to be guarding the secret of flight for Leaf.
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- Poland, Lublin
Us: WE DON'T CARE. OPSEC BECAUSE RECENT ITACHI ATTACK.
Still though. Are we really ignoring the possibility that we are under Itachi's Genjutsu? Like seriously, There's no way Sharingan can copy a seal by looking at what it's chakra construct looks like. And why would an Akatsuki member randomly attack us with genjutsu, and then let us go, WITH the one that supposedly has all the stuff we need to find akatsuki?
Im fairly concerned that there's one of 2 things happening. Or Both:
- Akatsuki member disguised as Goda in his mummy-like wraps gets moved into the middle of Leaf-Village through the most reliable channel ever (Paranoid Us)
- Akatsuki member keeps us under genjutsu to find out our ultra-op secrets (Like, for example, MFD YOUTHSUIT of doom. Or, idk, Pangolin's reach, Stone skin. . . How to actually make Skywalkers and the idea behind them, Sharingan being actually good at recording and copying someone's moves.)
simply - Expect both worst scenarios, and hold all major opsec stuff to ourselves. Besides, When we came out of Leaf, only Jiraya knew how to make Skywalkers. he'd have to work non-stop to give random low-level genin Skywalkers. And that would be major OPSEC breach, because genin are easy to take down, and usually go onto C-rank missions of "Escort this, Do that, send this". And accident happen, like a random pick-pocketer stealing something from a non-aware genin ninja. Or a missing-nin bandit team. And not each team has a Jounin as the team-leader. Some have Chunin, And most missing-nin are at least chunin level, or are dead.
I think that in the best case scenario it's Mari, and in the worst case - We're under Itachi Genjutsu. Still.
And a certain person spoke that It would be too risky to take off a henge of a Jounin-level enemy. . . But if it's a jounin-level enemy that used a henge to get to us, it means that Either it's a Spy-focused one, Or he risks getting blown up in the sky. He's a Jounin, not S-rank ninja. And We have explosives. A Lot of them too.
So yeah. Do Not, Under ANY circumstances, Talk about anything OPSEC. Let noburi and Akane talk. Chances are they are genjutsu creations made to get info from us, so anything they say, it will be allready known by the enemy. And if they aren't genjutsu creations, we still can't show them that they shouldn't talk opsec. . . Although they might have their suspicions if we, The typical OPSEC breach stop taking the lead in the talks (as we usually do).
Anyway. Paranoia wins. Oh, and it would be cool if we started researching something akin to "Force-sphere" kind of seal, that one would plant on himself, and get surounded by a force-wall sphere, which lets nothing inisde. Even Air. That would provide us with the possibility of "Throw all the explosives" and "hide inside safety-bubble". And we could fuel our air supply by other seals, effectively hiding us from harm for a moderate amount of time, and obliderating everything around us.
Would give us a definite advantage against any jounin that decides to not destroy us immediately. Especially when everything around us changes into a cloud of total anihilation. (Don't make the seal yet, don't even research. Just think how can we achieve that with simple seals.) Oh, and making a One-time use gun that fires at the moment we put it out of a storage seal would be a good idea to get a free combat action for a Quick move.
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- Europe
I am pretty sure by now (it's been nearly a month since we came to Leaf) all the important sealmaster in Leaf can infuse skywalkers. Jiraiya pointed out that with a lot of collegues sealing is 'safer' then the way Kagome has been practising it, Kagome likely has been working a lot alone even back in his village. Also the seal blanks are most likely going to be made by sealing apprentices in large volumes and the masters just check them and infuse them.
Also this messanger is close to Leaf, so she probably doesn't need more then a hand full. I seriously doubt we are in a genjutsu or that it's an enemy, but Mari sounds possible.
Or she is Zabuza and the whole Noodle battle was just an elaborate hoax to infiltrate Leaf disguised as Jiraiya, he then married Mari and has been acting as fake-Hokage for a month just to find and kill us. Sounds unlikely, but we are talking about Zabuza here, so it's plausible!
Also this messanger is close to Leaf, so she probably doesn't need more then a hand full. I seriously doubt we are in a genjutsu or that it's an enemy, but Mari sounds possible.
Or she is Zabuza and the whole Noodle battle was just an elaborate hoax to infiltrate Leaf disguised as Jiraiya, he then married Mari and has been acting as fake-Hokage for a month just to find and kill us. Sounds unlikely, but we are talking about Zabuza here, so it's plausible!
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Sealmasters don't trust any blanks they don't make themselves, as a general rule, and checking a seal for errors takes more time than drawing one yourself. Hazou has the unique advantage of being able to 100% guarantee that his seals are drawn perfectly, which is why Kagome's willing to infuse seals he draws. Apart from Iron Nerve involvement, any sealmaster making Skywalkers will be drawing it themselves.
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- Europe
You're right, I forgot the whole, don't trust any other people blanks part. Still I doubt that only Jiraiya can make them.
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Or do the simpler thing and just kill us. Much easier to do that than fight a war to the death.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
How many sealmaster of Kagome's level do we think leaf has? Let's say that you need to have made jounin to be that good. Leaf probably has 1500 ninja in total. Let's say half are Genin. Let's say 500 are chunnin. So we have 200 jounin. I'd assume that maybe 20 of those jounin are seal master specialist. 20 guys who all learned skywalkers in 3 weeks and produced enough to give a Genin a set. Doesn't add up IMHO.
Conclusion Mari is trolling us
Conclusion Mari is trolling us
I see nothing particularly strange in handing the messenger genin a Skywalker seal and telling her go take a message to a Skytower hovering right next to Leaf. Why wouldn't you do that? What bad thing do people think would happen?
It makes sense once you start from the premise that these seals are *not* going to be a secret used only by elite jounin operatives. That would be one way to go, but the other way is to accept that you won't be able to keep them secret forever and instead should focus on massively exploiting the advantage during the brief window of superiority. In that means mass producing the seals, training all your ninja on them (including genin) and gearing up for a war-winning blitzkrieg in the near future.
You guys want to know if this genin is legit? Here's an easy way to do it. Walk to the side of the Skytower facing Leaf and look down. If you can see dozens of ninja training with the Skywalkers, you'll know that they really are going to train everyone, including genin, to use them. If you can't see dozens of ninja practicing sky-walking, then something might indeed be up.
It makes sense once you start from the premise that these seals are *not* going to be a secret used only by elite jounin operatives. That would be one way to go, but the other way is to accept that you won't be able to keep them secret forever and instead should focus on massively exploiting the advantage during the brief window of superiority. In that means mass producing the seals, training all your ninja on them (including genin) and gearing up for a war-winning blitzkrieg in the near future.
You guys want to know if this genin is legit? Here's an easy way to do it. Walk to the side of the Skytower facing Leaf and look down. If you can see dozens of ninja training with the Skywalkers, you'll know that they really are going to train everyone, including genin, to use them. If you can't see dozens of ninja practicing sky-walking, then something might indeed be up.
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- floating away
Not necessarily. Whoever they send to contact us, they'd need skywalkers. And if all their chunin+ are busy with more important things? (Like, maybe, rescuing Naruto or prepping for war) Then we get a genin messenger.
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- Poland, Lublin
The thing is. . . The Sky-walkers were supposed to be revealed only during the war. Seeing dozens of ninja practicing sky-walking wouldn't be a good sign, Especially on sight from outside, either because jiraya has been supplanted by someone else from one of the clans, or because (As most of you seem to completely disregard the possibility of Akatsuki wanting Skywalkers) we are under a genjutsu, and making us see something that makes us reveal our secrets and information about them more openly is something the Genjutsu user would surely do. I know its a paranoid thing to think, but i don't want us to do any incredibly drastic measures, other than making sure OPSEC isn't broken, and we don't convey something that might doom us.
You can only use skywalkers if you actually know how to use them. If you wait for a war, then it's too late.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
The value of 'enough' Skywalker seals here is single-digit. We are some of the only Leaf-nin to use Skytowers, and thus some of the only ninja who you outright need Skywalkers to get a message to. If Leaf has even ten Skywalkers in reserve, they can just hand a couple to a Genin, give them a ten-second overview of how they work, and send them up to us.
If even one person in Leaf can make Skywalkers, I see no problem with a single Genin being given a couple Skywalker seals specifically so she can get up to the one group who camps out a mile in the sky (in an 'oh and by the way you'll need these' sort of way). There's no reason to believe Leaf has managed to mass-produce enough Skywalkers for a large percentage of its ninja in the time we've been gone just because a courier had to use them to reach us.
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- Poland, Lublin
That doesn't mean that the only place they can train at is outside. They can do it in buildings ever. Them training it outside, And as we know, they are Disallowed to go high up during training, yet have no problem with doing that without trying previously, means that they don't need to train moving high above the ground, but to train how to trigger them (Aka, use tree-walking and water-walking.)