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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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huhYeahGoodPoint said:
Remind everyone they did well under the circumstances. DO THIS BEFORE WE SEPERATE! Tell everyone barring extreme circumstances we'll have the full AAR at the rendezvouz site.
  1. The loss of life was really bad, and is something we're going to fight to avoid in the future during planning rather than post battle.
    1. We probably could have avoided killing all of them if we planned to save some as a subgoal, but it was our collective mistake not to treat minimizing civilian deaths as a subgoal during the planning phases.
  2. However, rather than let us be crippled by doubt and depression, we choose to take a lesson from this, and steel our resolve towards our goal - uplift.
  3. Our strength here was in the combat section - we pulled that off flawlessly.
    1. Keiko, your summoning abilities surpassed our expectations. We're proud of you.
    2. Noburi, you executed a near perfect nonlethal takedown of dozens of enemy combatants, including shinobi, of unknown abilities. This achievement cannot be overstated.
  4. You guys were brilliant, and pulled off the plan flawlessly.
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# 1. I don't like (esp. the subsection); the purpose of this section IMO is to reassure them that they did well; talking about "the loss of life was really bad" and stuff kinda brings down the narrative.

And yes I'm aware of the "under the circumstances"; that too is a bit...it feels a bit like we're downplaying how well they did, or acting as though them doing really well resulted in the mass murder.
 
faflec said:
# 1. I don't like (esp. the subsection); the purpose of this section IMO is to reassure them that they did well; talking about "the loss of life was really bad" and stuff kinda brings down the narrative.

And yes I'm aware of the "under the circumstances"; that too is a bit...it feels a bit like we're downplaying how well they did, or acting as though them doing really well resulted in the mass murder.
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The alternative is that we're saying "good job guys, you just murdered a bunch of people, and let me cheer you up by complimenting how good you are at murdering helpless civilians!"

However, would changing the wording to "Remind everyone they did their jobs well according to plan, but planning needs to be changed in the future" work for you?
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
The alternative is that we're saying "good job guys, you just murdered a bunch of people, and let me cheer you up by complimenting how good you are at murdering helpless civilians!"

However, would changing the wording to "Remind everyone they did their jobs well according to plan, but planning needs to be changed in the future" work for you?
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Honestly I kinda don't want to do this part period, since it'll reinforce bad things no matter what we say:
  • We did good: Interpreted as us doing a good job murdering civilians, as you said.
  • We can do better: Reminds them that we could have saved the civilians but we weren't good enough.
    • We need to improve planning: Reminds them (ESPECIALLY Keiko) that we could have saved them if we were smarter.
 
Your plan is ridiculously long and verbose.

huhYeahGoodPoint said:
here, have a plan or something:

[X] Action Plan: Sleep Is For The Weak
Objectives:
  • Keep Team Uplift Plus One alive.
  • Keep Team Uplift Plus One functional
  • Keep ourselves oriented to our goal.
  • Keep our teammates oriented to our goal, and shut down unproductive thoughts.
  • Continue the mission.
Actions:
  1. Set off for Leaf village with the captives in tow.
    1. Remind the other team to be careful about their chakra use. Run out thousands of feet in the air without an easy way to replenish it is a Bad Thing.
      1. Tell them we're likely to reach the rendezvouz in two to three days.
    2. Ensure they are secured.
      1. This means unable to form handseals, see, hear, or talk.
      2. Have Noburi take a moment during a break to ensure that Goda can't commit suicide by false teeth, poisoned fingernails or whatnot.
    3. Do not stop to sleep.
      1. If Noburi needs a chakra source, he can drain the two kunoichi as we go along to provide extra chakra.
      2. If we stop to eat, make sure our prisoners have something to drink, and maybe a bite to eat. Ensure that they can be interrogated.
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Our prisoners do not need to eat and we shouldn't wake them unless it's critical to their survival. If anything, I would be more concerned with keeping them hydrated. Remember, it takes like 2 weeks to die of starvation, but only a matter of days before dehydration will kill you or worse.

On point #2, if the team has a problem with Minami, talk to her. Get her viewpoints and justification and reasoning and let her defend herself.

On point #3, follow Akane lead. Give suggestions to her. Let her do the talking. Also, bouncer stuff was already mentioned by Keiko to Jiraiya. She should be able to handle that from her hand.

On point #4. It's written weirdly. @faflec already said it as much.

On point #5. Pangolin summoner?

Your plan is very difficult to quote and reply to.
 
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Hm. What if, instead of winning, we...didn't win?

Instead of making a plan to take over the ship, what about sending the Pangolins over under cover of mist, but instead of fully draining them, drain most of their chakra and afterwards have the Pangolins "retreat", giving the air that the chakra monster attack was repelled. At the same time, an infiltration group would disguise themselves as crew members and kidnap Goda.

It's a got a lot of holes in it, but it's an alternative.
 
faflec said:
None at the moment. Mine and @huhYeahGoodPoint both have 3 votes each.

Main difference is that my plan has a section where we talk with Akane; @huhYeahGoodPoint has a section where we...reassure the team? I dunno, having a bit of trouble parsing it.
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Okay. I'd really like to see that reassurance scene, or at least something to try and prevent this from becoming "team depression: the quest", because while we get to be adorable with Akane, we don't say anything to make sure Noburi, Keiko, Minami, and Kagome spiral out into depression, and Keiko does that really easily. If you could find some way to have something that actively tries to fix that, I'll probably ask all the voters on my plan to switch to yours, because it'll be strictly better.

I apologize for the wordiness; it's a bad habit.

Sort of edit: The not winning idea is interesting, which means there might be a chance of having a workable gem in there.
 
faflec said:
Hm. What if, instead of winning, we...didn't win?

Instead of making a plan to take over the ship, what about sending the Pangolins over under cover of mist, but instead of fully draining them, drain most of their chakra and afterwards have the Pangolins "retreat", giving the air that the chakra monster attack was repelled. At the same time, an infiltration group would disguise themselves as crew members and kidnap Goda.

It's a got a lot of holes in it, but it's an alternative.
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Seems like unnecessarily risky. Also doesn't seem terribly convincing. How would random ninjas be able to be there at exactly the right time
 
Oneiros43 said:
Seems like unnecessarily risky. Also doesn't seem terribly convincing. How would random ninjas be able to be there at exactly the right time
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Oh nononono, I mean that Goda's bodyguards would "repel" the attack. And yes, it is risky. The idea got into my head and I figured I may as well throw it out there.
 
faflec said:
Hm. What if, instead of winning, we...didn't win?

Instead of making a plan to take over the ship, what about sending the Pangolins over under cover of mist, but instead of fully draining them, drain most of their chakra and afterwards have the Pangolins "retreat", giving the air that the chakra monster attack was repelled. At the same time, an infiltration group would disguise themselves as crew members and kidnap Goda.

It's a got a lot of holes in it, but it's an alternative.
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Maybe have "Condors" dueling the Pangolins and their summoner within clear sight of the ship, throwing around explosives that just "happen" to start getting close enough to let the ninja justify leaving Goda alone for a second (just one, mind you!) and then realize mist just erupted all over the place, Goda is gone, so is her sister, and -

CRUSHING C-CLASS DEFEAT! Ninja girl unconscious.

Speaking of which, there's a convenient Dust Bomb right to Goda's living quarters. Damn shame about that, guess all the documents, Goda, and the flash girls are all just ash on the wall.

EDIT: FUCK WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF BLOWING UP GODA'S ROOM
 
Voting is open until 9am tomorrow, ~12 hours.

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Plan name: Hazou: DODGE
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @MadScientist
Num votes: 5


Plan name: Keiko: DODGE
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @MadScientist
Num votes: 5


Plan name: Noburi: DODGE
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @MadScientist
Num votes: 5


Plan name: Rationalization
Voters: @bayesclef, @Enjou, @faflec, @Kiba
Num votes: 4


Plan name: Sleep Is For The Weak
Voters: @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @Traiden
Num votes: 3



Number of voters: 9
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
Okay. I'd really like to see that reassurance scene, or at least something to try and prevent this from becoming "team depression: the quest", because while we get to be adorable with Akane, we don't say anything to make sure Noburi, Keiko, Minami, and Kagome spiral out into depression, and Keiko does that really easily. If you could find some way to have something that actively tries to fix that, I'll probably ask all the voters on my plan to switch to yours, because it'll be strictly better.

I apologize for the wordiness; it's a bad habit.
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If I was capable of writing something that good I would have done it by now. The problem is my paranoia tell me that any social attempt at reassurance will be interpreted in horrible fashion, resulting in even more suffering as formerly comedic miscommunications take a dark, dark turn.

In any case...I was thinking about telling them that we did the best we could have, and that sometimes that just isn't good enough. What matters is that we get better so that when we come across this sort of thing again, we can do better. Like have one of us sneak aboard as a member of the crew while the rest lure a chakra monster to the ship, and use the ensuing chaos to sneak "Goda" and any important intel away. And destroy the cabin to fake their death.
 
We can be eloquent when the mood suits us, all we need to do is be properly positive. Eaglejarl has been very kind to us and wrote out a hint of what he would have us say should we choose to go that route, if you missed it here it is again.
eaglejarl said:
"The loss of life on this one was awful and it makes me feel like crap. That said, instead of letting myself be crippled by guilt and sadness, I am choosing to take a positive lesson: We made a mistake, we learned from it, and we *will* do better next time. As part of looking for the positive, I note that the combat side of the operation was flawless. We came up with a good plan and the two of you did so well that there was nothing left for the rest of us to do. Keiko, you demonstrated just how powerful and useful your pangolins are, exactly as you said they would be. Noburi, I don't think any of us realized how strong you have become. You dealt with that situation with surgical precision: no non-combatants were killed in the takedown and you effortlessly captured two experienced ninja with no risk to our team. You guys rule."
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I would like for Being in a Growth Mindset be put under the goals at least for the plan that you made @faflec
 
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