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- Yes.
No, it was a threat. There's no way in hell Kagome is actually capable of carrying it out with the resources he currently has and in his current position.No, no, faflec. That wasn't a threat. It was clearly a promise.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- Yes.
What's a joke?That was a joke, faflec.
My statement about it being a promise rather than a threat. The one you just took seriously. The one with a the smiley at the end of it to indicate it was a joke.
...have you had your coffee yet, faflec?
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Ok now, you see; that was my joke.
Given the nature of the internet, you'll have to forgive me for thinking that someone might actually be that dense. Humor doesn't always transfer well in text form.
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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- Israel
Exactly. So while I can't put my finger on it, I think Kagome may have made some sub-optimal decisions here.
Also, if Minami actually trusts him from this point on, she deserves the moniker he gave her earlier.
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- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Kagome made sub-optimal decisions in a social context related to the safety of those he cares about?!
Eh. Must be Thursday.
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- Yes.
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- Yes.
We'd have to sneak a Pangolin message since Hidden Mountain is not something Minami knows (or IMO should know about). Doable but would make things a bit awkward if we were caught.
Speaking of messages, did we ever message Jiraiya regarding details on the bird summon for Pangolin use?
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Just curious why is that your opinion?
We did tell him about them, so he knows they exist. I'd imagine if he wanted us to do anything he'd have given orders, or will send orders. But right now I don't think diplomacy with Mountain of any kind is very high on his list of things to do - it's probably an 'after the war/preparing for the next war' thing.
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- Yes.
Minami is a Chunin and Hidden Mountain is important enough to "disrupt the balance of power when they surface" (Jiraiya, some chapter I'm too lazy to find ATM).
Enough of this. That's twice now that basic courtesy has backfired with Kagome. No more of this, "Let him have his space". Stinky-pants isn't entitled to space. If he doesn't want to talk, that's a warning sign.
New standing orders: Similar to the dispel schedule, the team will make random attempts to converse with Kagome. If anybody detects either deceit or reluctance they are to fire off an emergency flare. Upon alert, the entire team is to drop whatever they are doing, tie Kagome down, and force him to chat until his hidden intentions are revealed.
I'm 90% confident that this is a less sophisticated version of something Mari has been doing up until now to handle him.
New standing orders: Similar to the dispel schedule, the team will make random attempts to converse with Kagome. If anybody detects either deceit or reluctance they are to fire off an emergency flare. Upon alert, the entire team is to drop whatever they are doing, tie Kagome down, and force him to chat until his hidden intentions are revealed.
I'm 90% confident that this is a less sophisticated version of something Mari has been doing up until now to handle him.
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Good point. Though definitely do need to ask Jiraiya about it since we are in the area. It's a potentially huge diplomatic incident waiting to happen if it slips the Hokage's mind
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- Yes.
[X] Action Plan: Tea Time
- General thoughts:
- Make sure we discuss everything with our fellow ex missing-nin first, then with Minami as appropriate.
- No seriously, don't just spontaneously (for example) go up to a random person and say you're selling ice, without first talking with the team.
- When talking about mission-related plans we let Minami take the lead. We offer suggestions listed below.
- MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW OPSEC RULES
- Maybe talk with Keiko about our plan if we have a private moment.
- Don't forget that we're sending regular message to Jiraiya via pangolins.
- Update him on our progress.
- Give him intel (esp. on Akatsuki sightings).
- Make sure we discuss everything with our fellow ex missing-nin first, then with Minami as appropriate.
- Make contact with Jiraiya's agents in Tea.
- Use Skywalkers to move from place to place.
- Make sure that when ascending or descending we aren't spotted.
- We should be using chakra water to speed our movements, and refill as needed.
- Whenever resting, do so using Skytower technology.
- Keep a standard watch out for flying chakra monsters.
- Make contact.
- Everyone going to the contact together is too conspicuous (esp. with Kagome and Noburi's barrel).
- Minami will need time to trust us again, let her decide who to make contact and who to watch from a distance.
- Use Henge to turn into the appropriate cover, based on our knowledge of the contact.
- Discuss this beforehand; between Hazou, Keiko, and Minami this should be easy.
- Make sure we're prepared.
- Everyone has the appropriate number of seals: Explosive tags, PMYF, Skywalkers, etc..
- Everyone's topped off with Noburi's chakra beforehand.
- Keep a watch out for potential enemy ninjas.
- We don't want to compromise Jiraiya's contacts, and do want to catch anyone observing them.
- If we catch one, report to Minami and discuss what to do from there.
- Don't actually engage unless we're forced to, we don't want to get into a ninja fight.
- Deliver the message, and ask if they have more messages to send or need "short-term muscle".
- Ask about happenings in Water Country & Mist.
- Don't commit to giving muscle to the contact; discuss with the team first.
- Everyone going to the contact together is too conspicuous (esp. with Kagome and Noburi's barrel).
- Use Skywalkers to move from place to place.
- Discuss the Mist Drain Situation.
- Ask Noburi/Keiko if we should still do this, given recent events (i.e., Kagome pledging fealty).
- Do this before we arrive at Tea: given the distances we should be spending several nights on Skytowers.
- Have Noburi and Keiko lead the conversation; their higher Diplomacy skill should give us better deals.
- We discussed things with the team earlier, this is just us discussing things with her.
- @eaglejarl Please don't hate us for not having details
- @eaglejarl Please don't hate us for not having details
- Misc. things.
See if merchants/local establishments are buying ice/are willing to buy ice for discount.Ask Minami if we can stop at a (not mission-relevant) trade town in Tea.This prevents us from potentially compromising Jiraiya's agents in Degarashi Port.
Noburi/Keiko can lead this due to having higher Diplomacy.Try to lead them into thinking Leaf will have more ice to sell at these good prices.
- Talk with Noburi and Keiko regarding Kagome swearing fealty (?) to Minami Nikko.
- What is this going to do regarding our clan's position with the Hyuga (who apparently hate the Minami)?
- How much trouble will the exchange of Kagome's goods and services bring?
- What should we do to alleviate this tension (or should we even bother)?
- As necessary ask Minami questions for more information.
- What is this going to do regarding our clan's position with the Hyuga (who apparently hate the Minami)?
- Ask Jiraiya if we should do anything regarding Hidden Mountain.
- Send a Pangolin message using the messenger Keiko has prepared.
- When discussing with Minami, phrase it as being our (Hazou and co.'s) contacts in the area (Tea).
- If she's confused, say it's classified.
- Ask to gather trade information.
- Make sure Keiko/Noburi say it's a good idea, then ask Minami if we can.
- If we have time, do quick study on the Hidden Mountain seals.
- Only do this with Kagome's approval.
- This does not mean we try to reverse-engineer the seals. This means we try to figure out what the seals do.
- Other misc. things (that may be done already).
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Discuss learning a medium-ranged weapon specialty when we return to Konoha.
- Also suggest a possible bloodline-based combat style for her. This discussion may occur in the background.
- Use CCnJ.
- Note: We don't really know that much about its effectiveness in combat, but it's something that could be considered.
- Reassure her that her current combat effectiveness and general worth as team member is not in question -- we're talking to Noburi about developing his own, too. We just want her to be even better.
- If she questions her qualifications for this, remind her of the colossal growth she went through during our travels.
- Make note of how impressive he found her back in Rice, and, more recently, with Kagome.
- If Kei doesn't think a bloodline-based combat style is workable, Hazou has a few ideas for seals that could be integrated.
- Before he gets into his ideas, does she have any to share?
- She could work at using macerators to extend her range in interesting ways, or apply utility effects.
- She could throw Banshee seals -- that wouldn't require any additional training.
- Hazou had had the idea -- and he hasn't spoken to Kagome about this yet, so no promises -- of making force barrier seals that extend outward from shuriken.
- Depending on how dev goes back at Konoha, maybe an impulse seal would be workable?
- Also suggest a possible bloodline-based combat style for her. This discussion may occur in the background.
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Discuss the method we used to escape the Mountain-nin cave (specifically, using Force Walls to direct an explosion). Ask if it's possible for us to develop combat weapons around this.
- Obviously, do not do actual testing right now. This is theoretical discussion only.
- Maybe stuff an implosion seal down a 5SB'd airtight tube? It could probably propel something pretty fast, though it'd need to be against a stationary target.
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Dissonance
Luna's Luna
- Location
- Ginnungagap.
- Pronouns
- S/H/T
I vaguely recall reading a naruto fanfiction where a young Hinata worked on using the expel-chakra-from-your-body-to-attack technique as a way to quickly alter her body's movements, eventually leading to a situation(in the chuunin exams, iirc) where she becomes temporarily paralyzed due to toxin, but still controls her body like a marionette with chakra pulses, and manages to catch her opponent off-guard and land crippling strikes against his tenketsu.
So there had been some discussion of scouting around these agents to look for potential ninja observers in case they've been compromised. Add something about that?
Here's what I'm not sure of. What is the goal of this conversation? What do we want to happen? There seems to be an enormous urge to throw this back on the QMs and assume there must be some sort of "standard procedure" for blowing clan secrets to allies. Well I regard that as far from certain. What these secrets are and the degree to what any individual clan is trying to protect any individual secret must vary enormously. It seems to me very possible that each case has to be considered individually.
Right now "discuss" seems to be "ask Minami what to do without any proposal in mind". If the thread wants to do this, we should offer some kind of actual proposal. I mean, just to toss it out:
GOAL: Tell Minami this was revealed in the context of a mission, and ask for her personal promise not to reveal it to anyone else including her clan members.
ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM: If we find out she lied, we'll tell everyone that Minami is a lying liar who screwed over her teammates by blabbing about a secret technique she saw in the line of duty.
Now you're going to tell me why that's garbage, which is fine. But if it's garbage, replace it with something. Having a plan to "discuss" doesn't mean shit if we don't tell the QMs what we want out of the discussion or what terms we'd be advocating for.
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Action Plan: Tea Time
- General thoughts:
- When talking about mission-related plans we let Minami take the lead. We offer suggestions listed below.
- MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW OPSEC RULES
- Maybe talk with Keiko about our plan if we have a private moment.
- Don't forget that we're sending regular message to Jiraiya via pangolins.
- Update him on our progress.
- Give him intel (esp. on Akatsuki sightings).
- Get to the Tea contacts.
- Use Skywalkers to move from place to place.
- Make sure that when ascending or descending we aren't spotted.
- We should be using chakra water to speed our movements, and refill as needed.
- Whenever resting, do so using Skytower technology.
- Keep a standard watch out for flying chakra monsters.
- Make contact.
- Everyone going to the contact together is too conspicuous (esp. with Kagome and Noburi's barrel).
- Minami will need time to trust us again, let her decide who to make contact and who to watch from a distance.
- Use Henge to turn into the appropriate cover, based on our knowledge of the contact.
- Discuss this beforehand; between Hazou, Keiko, and Minami this should be easy.
- Make sure we're prepared.
- Everyone has the appropriate number of seals: Explosive tags, PMYF, Skywalkers, etc..
- Everyone's topped off with Noburi's chakra beforehand.
- Deliver the message, and ask if they have more messages to send or need "short-term muscle".
- Don't commit to giving muscle to the contact; discuss with the team first.
- Discuss the Mist Drain Situation with Minami.
- Do this before we arrive at Tea: given the distances we should be spending several nights on Skytowers.
- Have Noburi and Keiko lead the conversation; their higher Diplomacy skill should give us better deals.
- We discussed things with the team earlier, this is just us discussing things with her.
- @eaglejarl Please don't hate us for not having details
A very non adventurous plan. Is there anything you might consider adding that might net us slightly more exp? Also personally think the mist drain doesn't need to be discussed more. Will just have to get Noburi a second s rank trick
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Since we didn't figure out the mountain seals last time, I'll voice again that now is the best time to go about it, when we don't have a proper sealing research facility to allow higher-priority projects to take over our time.
I'm fairly certain Kagome just resolved this - she stays silent, he's her loyal soldier minion. Not sure what else there is to talk about.
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- Yes.
I'll scribble out something, give me a few.
The goal is to convince/bribe Minami to not giving Noburi's secrets to her clan.
In case you were wondering? I hadn't added anything "adventurous" to encourage suggestions, not for you to bitch again. Why don't you do that?
No, Kagome is getting on Minami's good side so she doesn't report the murder attempt. The "don't spill our secrets to your clan" is still an issue.