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Defensive skywalkers would be a project I could get behind
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Defensive skywalkers would be a project I could get behind
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Seems reasonable. What was your idea?
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I've been a firm proponent of researching Purifier variants, since they have a lot of potential, especially once Hazou learns chemistry.
The first and easiest to justify variant would be a seal to separate salt and water. Not only can you now get fresh water from the ocean, but you also get an easy supply of salt, which is probably a luxury commodity in this world.
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Good point. But we need to extend kagome trust. So I think this is a reasonable risk to take based on its potential payoff. Though I don't expect to be able to persuade you.
Cariyaga
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Fuuton: Aerial Redirection
Attributes: Dexterity x 2, Control x 2, Wits x 3
Chakra Cost: 20(?)
Description: This technique is used after throwing weapons to redirect misses -- or hits. Wind chakra surrounds the thrown weapons and unexpectedly changes their flight path mid-throw. Users of this technique particularly good at it may even be able to reverse the direction of thrown weapons.
Mechanics: The technique user may choose to reroll their weapons dice with a dice bonus equal to ¼ of the Aerial Redirection level. This is not a best-of-the-two reroll; if the technique chooses to use this reroll, they discard their previous roll. This may result in a worse dice roll, depending on how lucky they turn out. When used in this way, it does not take their combat action for the round.
Alternatively, they may use this to turn aside enemy thrown weapons -- this follows the same dice reroll rules, though the user may use their judgement to determine if they or their teammate would be hit with the weapons before choosing to use this. This usage does not function on weapons imbued with foreign chakra, and prevents the user from making an attack that round, though they may still Tac Move to avoid attacks or change range.
Notes: This technique may have a variant to be used in a support capacity to improve a teammate's Tac Move. This variant would likely require higher Control, but provide ⅓ instead of ¼. Additionally, this technique may be used to improve a team mate's thrown weapons instead.
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I made a technique proposal list available in my sig or here.
Attributes: Dexterity x 2, Control x 2, Wits x 3
Chakra Cost: 20(?)
Description: This technique is used after throwing weapons to redirect misses -- or hits. Wind chakra surrounds the thrown weapons and unexpectedly changes their flight path mid-throw. Users of this technique particularly good at it may even be able to reverse the direction of thrown weapons.
Mechanics: The technique user may choose to reroll their weapons dice with a dice bonus equal to ¼ of the Aerial Redirection level. This is not a best-of-the-two reroll; if the technique chooses to use this reroll, they discard their previous roll. This may result in a worse dice roll, depending on how lucky they turn out. When used in this way, it does not take their combat action for the round.
Alternatively, they may use this to turn aside enemy thrown weapons -- this follows the same dice reroll rules, though the user may use their judgement to determine if they or their teammate would be hit with the weapons before choosing to use this. This usage does not function on weapons imbued with foreign chakra, and prevents the user from making an attack that round, though they may still Tac Move to avoid attacks or change range.
Notes: This technique may have a variant to be used in a support capacity to improve a teammate's Tac Move. This variant would likely require higher Control, but provide ⅓ instead of ¼. Additionally, this technique may be used to improve a team mate's thrown weapons instead.
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I made a technique proposal list available in my sig or here.
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Minami would veto it out of hand because Kagome's poor social ability could jeopardize the mission unnecessarily. She's still team leader, we aren't overruling this.
I would not be wholly against it (for the far-out places, at least), but Minami would see no logical reason to do this.
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We would tell Minami our reasoning behind it and get her permission. Every thing has to br out in the open for this to work
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Well, yes I understand this. But I don't think Minami would do it even if we told her.
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But it doesn't hurt to try
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Well sure, go ahead. I'd suggest it...whenever we're to meet that rural farmer contact. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Edit: Oh yeah, we'd also have to talk with Kagome with this first, and hope he agrees.
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[jk] Action plan: have Kagome write a program that determines whether an arbitrary program and input halts.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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I added Ishisan's Acidic Syrup to my Technique Proposal List.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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If it doesn't halt, you aren't using enough explosives.
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The thing with skywalkers is that they are, at heart, a utility seal - they enable 3D movement. Because there is nothing inherently offensive or defensive about them, the ability to apply them in offensive or defensive ways is a matter of strategy and tactics. Talking strategy and tactics is actually pretty fun to me, but it doesn't seem like something Kagome would sign up for in his current mood. Also, trying to solve a defense problem, while notionally better than an offense option, is still going to put Kagome in the rote of attack/defend, which I want to start breaking him from (if at all possible)
As a part of Hazo's aberrant brain, however, we can carry on the discussion...
Known or theorized offensive uses of skywalkers:
High altitude bombardment
Infiltration - can emplace a spy/saboteur/attacker within enemy borders
Surveillance/Reconnaissance - can see enemy movement
Improved Tactical Agility - can attack more quickly from more directions
More??
Known or theorized defensive uses of skywalkers
Complicate Base Access - bases high off ground
Surveillance/Reconnaissance - can see enemy movement,
Improved Tactical Agility - can escape more quickly, in a direction the foe might not be able to follow
Break Siege - encirclement on land insufficient to prevent re-supply
More??
My thinking is that the highest utility, non-combat item is going to be something that can make civilian/ninja lives easier, without enabling some totally ground-breaking thing in the process that will get people killed. Fortunately/Unfortunately, having traded skywalkers means that space is much more open than it was previously.
I think large-scale engine-like seals that enable conventional vehicles (land/air/sea) would be our best bet. Still weaponizable, generally, but more in the matter that it enables bigger cargo holds and maybe faster travel. Food preservation, availability of potable water, shelter are other options to consider
So, my first idea is sort of a combination of the above from Cariyaga and InfernoVulpix. I wanted to experiment with applications of Usamatsu's purifier to see if we could get one to power conventional motion. I'm pretty sure that timing of 2 or more seals could be set up to achieve an effective vacuum at a vehicle's surface, preventing surface collisions on one side of the system, leading to pressure differential that causes motion.
My second idea was to slightly alter the way the purifier worked: I would want to change it so that it stayed in its intake mode for longer periods (with consequently longer output cooldowns), covering a small disk centered on the seal. Imagine it as a hungry void that takes all gas particles that enter its volume, preventing surface collisions within the disk. Again, the systems moves through pressure differential.
Food preservation is handled by storage seals, though civilians could use ice/salt/seal triggers to make their lives easier.
Instant shelters from seals are a cool idea, but I don't think we have any seals that replicate earth jutsu (or other jutsu, for that matter) to work off of (seems infeasible at the moment)
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Cariyaga
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What about something like a refrigeration seal? Granted, doing this would, to greater or lesser extent, devalue the ice Akane can provide.
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I don't think Akane would be over concerned if we can get such a thing working.
On the other hand, this would be a time to bond with her, as we wrap her into our thought process in how to replicate jutsu in seal form - something we have no background in doing. Kagome could take it as an opportunity to teach us a new aspect of sealing (or, maybe, learn it himself?)
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Watered down explosive seals, or slower burn explosive seals. You can trigger them by ripping them up. setting them on fire, etc. , and there's no way in hell any self-respecting ninja would ever use a seal based fire starter, but if you water down an explosive seal enough you could basically have a foolproof fire starter at a far lower difficulty to seal than making explosive seals, thus increasing the proportions of sealmasters and creating a useful civilian tool.
Scale up the Party Trick seal and make it activate when ripped or damaged to create a SOS seal, maybe including a banshee mine for further SOSing (flashbangs are notoriously difficult)
Actually, just a hell of a lot seals that fail-active rather than failsafe. One time use storage seals that release contents when ripped open.
And of course, hardest of all, a seal based piano. You remember how we wanted to play Tears Of Red? Well, Kagome might help with trying to integrate it all together into a music player, see if he can't help with minaturizing the tone seals that make the seal based piano work.
Scale up the Party Trick seal and make it activate when ripped or damaged to create a SOS seal, maybe including a banshee mine for further SOSing (flashbangs are notoriously difficult)
Actually, just a hell of a lot seals that fail-active rather than failsafe. One time use storage seals that release contents when ripped open.
And of course, hardest of all, a seal based piano. You remember how we wanted to play Tears Of Red? Well, Kagome might help with trying to integrate it all together into a music player, see if he can't help with minaturizing the tone seals that make the seal based piano work.
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Seal-based structural health metrics:
Connect an LBF to a Party Trick seal/alarm seal. Have a protrusion built into a body that trips the LBF when a certain compression/tension threshold is reached (as determined by system strain - contraction/elongation).
Why? Bridges - surely bridges fail in the elemental nations, causing possible death and reducing flow of commerce. Having visible/audible markers alert users would reduce this/allow the issue to be fixed before it is catastrophic.
Connect an LBF to a Party Trick seal/alarm seal. Have a protrusion built into a body that trips the LBF when a certain compression/tension threshold is reached (as determined by system strain - contraction/elongation).
Why? Bridges - surely bridges fail in the elemental nations, causing possible death and reducing flow of commerce. Having visible/audible markers alert users would reduce this/allow the issue to be fixed before it is catastrophic.
Cariyaga
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I'm less concerned about what Akane would want and more concerned about what Jiraiya would want when he realizes that Hazou's girlfriend can corner the market on ice.
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That might take more engineering knowledge than what is available for a decidedly pre-Renassaince society, but the fundamental idea of a LBF paired with an alarm seal might be quite valid.
Honestly though, the bigger problem with making uplift seals is they have to be really dumb and super easy to make so that there's still stuff to give to civilians after the ninja requisition everything.
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We could still get the seal working - releasing to the public (which is sort of the point on this one, admittedly) would need to be vetted by Jiraiya as clan head, regardless.
Also, seals would much more reliably allow us to corner the market - if that is a thing that can be done at all. Remember, Akane is not the only user of that jutsu, and we are most likely not the first to research cooling seals. That other people haven't made use of it yet is not an indication that those people cant do so, just that they haven't yet chosen to if they have the power.
I dunno, there are some pretty old, impressive feats of architecture and engineering. They probably don't know the strict mechanisms or relationships, but likely have heuristics like - if it compresses too much, it is likely going to buckle/fail with much more load. That said, I don't know where to begin with historically accurate engineering, so I'm arguing from a weak point here.
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It occurs to me that if cooling seals are simple enough, any ninja village would be able to commission enough cooling seals to make their own ice. It wouldn't be free ice if you're paying for the seals, but it means there would be a pre-existing ice market in Leaf from cooling seals to compete with.
That said, Akane can make a lot of ice. Like, literal metric tons at a time. 8m radius means about 2,000 cubic meters of ice means about 2,000,000 kg of ice, so even 10% efficiency is hundreds of tons of ice at a time. No way cooling seals can compete with that.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Marked for Death: In which a "useless" air conditioning technique may simultaneously be used to crash the economy and destroy villages.
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Why wouldn't a seal be capable of the same? I think, as a rule, we can typically encode jutsu as seals. Without trying it, I wouldn't predict drastic underperformance.
I'd rather not require a human element in a job that should be automatable.
Of course, new capabilities should take priority over convenience, and that (the cooling seal) doesn't offer something particularly new, or specially useful.
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