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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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[Jk] make the world a perfect utopia
- be good at it
-- call ourselves Akatsuki
-- make subdivisions in our group also called Akatsuki (so we can be members multiple times)
Edit:
I haven't looked at XP in months, but this sounds like an awful and monolithic task.
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[X] Flower Plan: Butea Monosperma
Commonly known as flame-of-the-forest
(Uncommonly known as the first result to google searching "fire flower botany")
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What he can do against Noburi is to incapacitate him with genjutsu or orchestrate a lab accident, and then get more invasive access to Noburi's bloodline without Nobby being none the wiser. Basically Noburi will be totally within his power once he goes in there for training, but I do agree that sending Mari in as a chaperone is not going to pan out.
I don't see any benefit on letting Kabuto get measurements of Hazou's bloodline. Giving him Nobby's bloodline is already a big enough deal and he is obviously ready to train Nobby just with that.
The thing is, he won't be just raising his own power levels. What ever benefits he gets from Wakahisa bloodline will go to his real employer, who can be pretty much anyone including Hokage, Danzo, Orochimaru, Akatsuki.
Efficient ways to transfer chakra seems like a universally useful thing that anyone working on new technology could use. Don't be surprised if in a year we are facing up against chakra golems with Wakahisa derived chakra storage and distribution systems.
The biggest problems on the list can't really be solved by running away, and the ones we do get rid of will be replaced with new ones. (Hunter-nin, mission hazards etc.)
This stuff seems pretty lukewarm, but I guess we want her to cheer up a bit before we head in with our youthful speech?
I don't think Taijutsu is the way to go for now. If we want something that makes Akane uniquely useful, we should invest on MechApt or heavily on Stealth.
If we want to improve her survival, we need to improve her Awareness.
If we want to improve team's combat performance, we need to invest on TacMov.
EDIT: Frankly, Akane is behind on XP and skills and we are not going to fix that any time soon. Most (or all if we take a mission without her) XP will probably go to Awareness/Stealth/TacMove to stay competitive with the team.
Huh, I guess Akane's assessment that she is not good enough to hang with us will come true soon?
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[srs] include "be good at it" as a sub-point for every step in every plan forever
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Not so much. It's come up in only two contexts so far IIRC: when Keiko is in the Summon Realm and when Akane is in hospital.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien
Since Akane is in hospital and as such is unable to do physical activities would it be possible for her to do training in other skills instead as long as they are not strenuous?
Assuming that Akane will not be in intensive care for the duration of her stay but will still be confined to her bed, could we have her train something like Awareness by looking out of her hospital room window? Could she train her mechanical aptitude by reading engineering texts?
Having to take months just to recover is going to drastically skew Akane's XP pool compared to her teammates. This is all just an effort so that she will not become the liability she thinks she is once she recovers.
Since Akane is in hospital and as such is unable to do physical activities would it be possible for her to do training in other skills instead as long as they are not strenuous?
Assuming that Akane will not be in intensive care for the duration of her stay but will still be confined to her bed, could we have her train something like Awareness by looking out of her hospital room window? Could she train her mechanical aptitude by reading engineering texts?
Having to take months just to recover is going to drastically skew Akane's XP pool compared to her teammates. This is all just an effort so that she will not become the liability she thinks she is once she recovers.
Cariyaga
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Hm... we could always do research for a while while she heals, let Keiko do summon stuff, and Nobby learn medical jutsu and pay our stay with that, maybe?
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I don't really like this "pay for our stay" narrative that is picking up steam.
Staying in Leaf is a huge risk for us and we are only doing it because Jiraya wants us to. Us paying for it is akin to prisoners paying for their stay in jail.
Cariyaga
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Eh, I'm not willing to leave Akane while she's getting well, that's my primary motivation.
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Oh thank god, I though I was going to have to go through every update and mark off whether people were in the active party or not.
Did it not also come up when Hazou met Kagome alone the first time?
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We will have to get clearance from Jiraiya to do this, as our minders said no to it last update.
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The more we align ourselves with Jiraiya, the less time we will have to ourselves. Yes, Jiraiya has proven to be mostly benevolent in his dealings with us so far, but he has already said that if we, as foreigners, ever become a liability to Konoha's safety he will end us.
We should take some time to do some research and get the team's approval before we commit to anything as profound as this.
I feel like a field test would be the best way to show off such a tower's uses. Let's not let him have any recourse to say that it is only an idea until it is proven in the field. However, we really should negotiate a deal before we show it off so that he does not undercut us after he has figured it out for himself.
Why would he not be doing this himself already? It's what he did when he found us and he can make a far more convincing argument than we can to other missing-nin: join or the S-rank murderizes you all.
If Kabuto tries to blackmail us we should immediately report him to Jiraiya and our handlers. As for Noburi, he can learn elsewhere if need be; Kabuto is just more convenient at the moment. As for an "in", we do not know if that will ever come into play whereas we risk a lot by selling secrets about our bodies.
We shouldn't be worried about our clan, but the very real danger of outside parties knowing about how bodies work. Kabuto has enough Deception to trounce our genin and he will most likely be able to discern things about our bodies that can be used against us.
We have a week with Team Asuma at the very least. We can do a lot before that week is up. I think a middle ground between staying for months and only a few days is best until new information says otherwise.
Why not take on small missions from Jiraiya in Fire so that we can stay close enough to Akane to visit her while not stagnating on XP gains? We have less than a year before Hidden Mountain opens up to the world and we cannot afford to waste too much time, but there are resources available in Konoha we cannot get anywhere else.
I see no reason why we cannot do this while also pursuing other goals.
I... think I missed this part in the last update? Quote for clarification, please?
We should have Hazou deliberately not go all out against Shikamaru so that no one outside of our immediate group knows how capable we really are. Motivating a Nara to beat us just makes our lives even more complicated and therefore dangerous.
Again, something that should be done passively no matter what we do.
Same as above.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES.
I cannot stress how much I believe our team needs to read.
Politeness should be in the back of our team's minds during our entire stay here.
This seems a bit premature since we have not asked our team about such an idea yet.
We really need to know more about how villages are formed and operate in international politics before we get involved in this. Of course, Hidden Mountain would be an excellent opportunity to make such a stake if we were so inclined.
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Kabuto asking about our bloodlines as soon as we met him is weird and creepy. We really need to ask ourselves and our handlers if such tests are normal and what would be going to far. Kabuto said he wouldn't go after any of our clan secrets, but how can we make sure he fulfills his promise when he almost hoodwinked Mari? Kabuto taking advantage of our naivete should not be considered a good thing: if anything, it shows how devious he is to pursue his own goals when we are hurting and worrying about our teammate.
Strange behavior and "too good to be true" offers should be reported and scrutinized, not immediately accepted. We should trust Kagome's instincts on this (well, at least in the proper paranoia department, not the "boom, squish" everything area).
I am against interacting with Kabuto until after we have a team discussion about him, but the rest of this looks fine. As for Kagome, I'd very much like to relocate to somewhere outside of Konoha as a more permanent residence if Jiraiya will allow it (back to the swamp anyone? (partially joking)). This would also allow us to make new henges each time we entered Konoha so we aren't constrained by our cover as visiting dignitaries.
I am thoroughly tempted to have Kagome use his favor to relocate all of us to live outside of Konoha so we can make our own Kagome approved defenses, but still close enough to visit in less than one hour running at ninja speed. It would help soothe his paranoia and get us out of the pit of vipers for when we need to sleep.
We don't have to 100% commit to this; it's something to passively look into as we spend time with Team Asuma. Hazou can just spend more time with Ino than the other genin and try to see if she is interested in him. Unlike Kouta she isn't enraged at us and could be a huge boon to our team at a later point in time.
I do not want to proposition her to join our team nor have Hazou offer her bouquets of flowers as romantic gestures. All that I propose is that Hazou acts like an interested thirteen year old boy with all of the awkwardness that ensues to she how she responds.
All Kabuto has to do is sell information about us to the highest bidder. For all we know, Kabuto may have decided to gather proof about our whereabouts by taking measurements about our bodies so that he could sell that information to whoever it is who runs the bounties in the Elemental Nations. Having confirmation that three genin who were supposed to have died in Hidden Swamp alive and well in Konoha could be the impetus to have Zabuza on our trail again.
Our first and best defense is our anonymity. Once that is gone we will be exposed to every single hunter-nin and bounty hunter in the Elemental Nations. Selling our secrets to Kabuto is a direct breach of OpSec and therefore I vehemently am against it for that reason alone. No amount of shinies are worth our team's lives, ever.
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(E: The final numbers ended up being a little better than this and can be found here.)
UPDATE:
The XP History Spreadsheet now accounts for time spent outside the active party (Keiko going AWOL in the summon realm and Akane's time in the hospital). It continues to need a QM ruling (@Velorien @eaglejarl) as to how much XP Keiko and Noburi should have gotten for the update where we met Kagome for the first time (Hazou got 37, they weren't there to meet Kagome, but they were in at least the very beginning of the update) and whether OOC XP counts for the conditioning jutsu.
UPDATE 2:
Additional XP has been taken out of Keiko and Noburi's columns for Ch. 22, where Hazou was also alone with Kagome.
New Numbers:
Hazou:
Total XP Earned: 1351
Total XP Spent: 1312
Current Unspent XP: 39 (seriously wtf Hazou)
Keiko:
Total XP Earned: 1270
Total XP Spent: 1202
Current Unspent XP: 68
Noburi:
Total XP Earned: 1245
Total XP Spent: 1059
Current Unspent XP: 154.5 (63 of which is in the Med Fund)
Akane:
Normal XP Earned: 1054
Normal XP Spent: 946?
Cond XP Earned: 33
Cond XP Spent: 2? (Can anyone remember times she spent conditioning XP besides the chapter she got the jutsu?)
Unspent Normal XP: 108
Unspent Cond XP: 31
UPDATE:
The XP History Spreadsheet now accounts for time spent outside the active party (Keiko going AWOL in the summon realm and Akane's time in the hospital). It continues to need a QM ruling (@Velorien @eaglejarl) as to how much XP Keiko and Noburi should have gotten for the update where we met Kagome for the first time (Hazou got 37, they weren't there to meet Kagome, but they were in at least the very beginning of the update) and whether OOC XP counts for the conditioning jutsu.
UPDATE 2:
Additional XP has been taken out of Keiko and Noburi's columns for Ch. 22, where Hazou was also alone with Kagome.
New Numbers:
Hazou:
Total XP Earned: 1351
Total XP Spent: 1312
Current Unspent XP: 39 (seriously wtf Hazou)
Keiko:
Total XP Earned: 1270
Total XP Spent: 1202
Current Unspent XP: 68
Noburi:
Total XP Earned: 1245
Total XP Spent: 1059
Current Unspent XP: 154.5 (63 of which is in the Med Fund)
Akane:
Normal XP Earned: 1054
Normal XP Spent: 946?
Cond XP Earned: 33
Cond XP Spent: 2? (Can anyone remember times she spent conditioning XP besides the chapter she got the jutsu?)
Unspent Normal XP: 108
Unspent Cond XP: 31
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Is this accounting for XP gained by omake/other OOC?
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Yes. Spelling has never been my strong suit.
Yes, but it seems the same arguments that mean he is unlikely to assassinate or kidnap us (importance to Jiraiya, a couple pesky jounin) apply to him orchestrating a lab accident (though admittedly, it mitigates them some). Ultimately, I really dislike sending Noburi to Kabuto, but think doing that is likely better than making a huge fuss about it (since Noburi's already accepted, and is looking forward to it, and Hazou currently on board with it). One of the problems we are currently facing is that we don't have infonite energy. This comes out in Hazou doing things we don't want him to because of stress. We really need to prioritize what we want, rather than nust try to do everything.
The benefit is a way to appease Kabuto, and get more access to Akane. That said, I agree it isn't really great for us.
Yeah, fair enough.
Gonna be honest: I think Akane's been faking "youthfulness" (see the couple times her facade has cracked, how she says she doesn't seem totally youthful, her current mental state, and the 'maybe Hazou had missed something that was there all along' quote). Basically, I don't think appealing to her idea of youthfulness is a good idea for her psychologically. But appealing to experiences seems safe. I know I was quite put off by Hazou's "I will make you youthful again!" Declaration. Like, Akane is depressed. We want to cheer her up. We don't want to re-commit her to doing the thing that caused her to be depressed (not meeting her impossible 'youthful standards').
I agree, but at the same time it is costing Leaf money and nin-power to host us, so it's a little different.
Agreed on the trade-off assessment, and yes. We want to cover things with our team. The post your citing was basically my assessment of the extremes we could pursue (if we just had a single goal while in the city).
Fair, though I'm unsure the difference between the two, since, I mean, we already used this in the field? It's more of a proof to Jiraiya that it works.
Because he has limted time and energy? Because there are probably some missing-nin who would be willing to work wih other missing-nin but not Jiraiya?
Agreed.
Agreed.
Because that exposes us to more danger, puts Akane even further behind the team, and might put more stress on the already stressed team? That said, I'm not opposed to the idea (since its got a fair number of pros).
The problem is limited energy. Hazou apparently is no longer a super human with infinite energy (at least, that's my interpretation of him doing thjngs like being awful socially, and forgetting to give Akane flowers). He's at his limit right now, so any effort he puts into one task is effort he does not put somewhere else. Which means prioritizing, and potentially letting some low likelihood, low reward scenarios just go by.
Mari and the shopping trip, suggesting matching clothing item for Ino and generally being externally excited about the shopping. My interpretation of this was thay she was working on forming points of association with Ino, not that it was genuinely something she enjoyed (though it might have been that too).
Eh, idk about this. Like, how would playing a game at a high level with someone make them want to beat us? Am I missing something?
Again, something that takes effort, so while yes, it will have benefits to doing, we should recognize that it will put a strain on Hazou (which can lead to unexpected problems).
Agreed. Though I will again note that this will take a mental toll on everyone. And this can be done to varying extremes.
Yes. That's why it's in an overarching strategy we could pursue, not an action plan. Personally, that strategy is too high risk for me, so I don't want to pursue it.
Agreed. I'm hoping that conversation will result from the bullet point I have in my action plan on talking about the day.
Getting a place outside Konoha would be great since it'd let us be away from prying eyes and put Kagome to ease. That said, it'd also open us up to more assassination or kidnapping attempts. On interacting with Kabuto: Noburi's already agreed to an internship and we have to see him to visit Akane. The 'don't interact with him' boat has already sunk, we'd need to build another, which will be costly (since we'd have a team debate about it, and currently it's just Inoue and Kagame against it). Given all the other things we also have on our plate, that's one thing I figure giving up on is probably better than fighting it.
This would be great, and sounds like the sort of favor Kagome might ask for.
This runs into the same problem of adding another thing for Hazou to juggle, with the added potential consequences that upsetting a mind reader carries with it. I'd really prefer this was not at all one of Hazou's goals in his interactions. Not to mention it'd likely be ard on Akane ('oh. I see you've replaced me already.')
I mean, yes, but we lost that battle when we dropped our henges and he identified us for who we are.
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Yep! It's all times that a QM has said "+ _ XP" and meant it (I had to bug them about several ambiguous cases). You should be able to see which posts they come from by clicking the page numbers in the leftmost column of the spreadsheet.
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Damn you @OliWhail! I knew nothing good was going to come out of messing with the XP counts!
(Just joking, mad props for going through all that effort.)
Kabuto not letting us see Akane or torpedoing her recovery goes against what Leaf wants. Unless Kabuto has Hokage's blessing for his shenanigans, he doesn't really have that much room to mess with Akane. She is his patient, meaning he will lose face if something happens to her even if nobody suspects foul play.
Best way to go about it in my opinion is to not agree on anything for now, and see if Kabuto offers something that we actually want in exchange for an examination.
But they are also getting something which they want: A more loyal missing-nin team.
Or whatever it is that they want from our stay. Honeypot for spies? Stooges to hoist some political fallout on? A distraction?
Whatever the case, if they start haggling with us and demanding payment in some form we will obviously have to pay because we have no leverage, but I'm not going to be happy about it.
I don't see 'Youth' itself being the problem. The problem is the horrible shit that gets thrown at her all the time.
Yes, her Youthfulness is faked to a level, but so is most of the stuff that people do or say. I see Youth as a philosophy of looking at the positive side of things, believing in success, and trying to be happy. I don't have a paper to quote, but I'm quite sure that actively trying to be happy does make you more happy in the long run.
The thing with Akane is that the injury eats all her mental strength that she would normally use to support her positive attitude. Then the hospital environment murders what little is left of it, leading to skewed thinking and depression.
What we need to do now is to support Akane so that she gets out of her depressive spiral so that reasoned arguments can stick. My basic plan for that would be:
- Basic support until she is stronger with positive stuff (like visiting and talking about happy, non-serious things), don't let her make decisions while super depressed
- Hit her hard with an appeal to emotions (Can be negative emotions, I'll take anger if nothing else is available)
- Then once she is engaged, we can tone it down a bit and provide an actual reasoned argument for why she is not a failure (or whatever crazy stuff she was going on about)
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It is a terrible dilemma of QMing that there are lots of people making really impressive insightful posts, but I can't rate them as such, because then I'd be indicating which interpretations are right and thereby influencing the quest.
I would like to say, though, that you guys have a remarkable standard of perceptiveness and analysis, and recent posts have left me impressed by it all over again.
I would like to say, though, that you guys have a remarkable standard of perceptiveness and analysis, and recent posts have left me impressed by it all over again.
Jello_Raptor
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I would just like to point out that this post indicates that at least one of our interpretations is correct.
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ULTRA MEGA FINAL XP UPDATE
The XP History Spreadsheet now accounts the discounts that apply when leveling the lower of Capacity and Regeneration. Accordingly, the numbers look a little better for our intrepid genin.
E: Just to clarify, I also updated the charsheets to be accurate. Please let me know if you spot any discrepancies or issues, otherwise feel free to start planning how to spend all that delicious XP.
Hazou:
Total XP Earned: 1351
Total XP Spent: 1298
Current Unspent XP: 53 (still terrible but not SO terrible)
Keiko:
Total XP Earned: 1270
Total XP Spent: 1188
Current Unspent XP: 82
Noburi:
Total XP Earned: 1245
Total XP Spent: 1090.5
Current Unspent XP: 154.5 (63 of which is in the Med Fund)
Akane:
Normal XP Earned: 1054
Normal XP Spent: 912
Cond XP Earned: 33
Cond XP Spent: 2
Unspent Normal XP: 142
Unspent Cond XP: 31
The XP History Spreadsheet now accounts the discounts that apply when leveling the lower of Capacity and Regeneration. Accordingly, the numbers look a little better for our intrepid genin.
E: Just to clarify, I also updated the charsheets to be accurate. Please let me know if you spot any discrepancies or issues, otherwise feel free to start planning how to spend all that delicious XP.
Hazou:
Total XP Earned: 1351
Total XP Spent: 1298
Current Unspent XP: 53 (still terrible but not SO terrible)
Keiko:
Total XP Earned: 1270
Total XP Spent: 1188
Current Unspent XP: 82
Noburi:
Total XP Earned: 1245
Total XP Spent: 1090.5
Current Unspent XP: 154.5 (63 of which is in the Med Fund)
Akane:
Normal XP Earned: 1054
Normal XP Spent: 912
Cond XP Earned: 33
Cond XP Spent: 2
Unspent Normal XP: 142
Unspent Cond XP: 31
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Have you factored in elemental ninjutsu discounts?
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Yes. Noburi saved a total of 43.5 XP from elemental discounts, nobody else has any elemental jutsu over 10. You can see all discounts on the bottom of Sheet 2.