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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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What does this mean?
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[ ] Protoplan: I Just Had the Sageiest Idea
....Then hopefully they give us sage training "so that these idiots don't either get themselves killed" and/or so if we do get sage mode working, we owe them for it.
Not sure if serious of joking, but I wrote the damn thing. Hazou does have enough info to talk about alloying human and nature chakra, and has the means to start doing tolerance training. assuming that tolerance is possible, and that a low enough dose is survivable, this seems we have everything we need to try.
In fact, this might have a significant edge over normal sage mode training, because Noburi can very carefully drain 1CP(or less?) of nature chakra, while Jiraiya might have had to struggle to learn how to open himself up to nature chakra, while simultaneously learning how not to suck down 40+ CP of Nature chakra into his system and turn into a statue.(which sounds way harder).
- Toad Sages - we have ideas about a special kind of super-training, but aren't sure if it's safe.
- Nature chakra has elements not found human chakra.
- All elements seem close in power in the hands of 7th path natives.
- But when bloodline-limit humans access them, they are incredibly powerful.
- Animals exposed to Human-path chakra mutate into crazed super-powerful chakra-beasts.
- Jiraiya warned us that draining summons could be deadly.
- It seems like alloying human chakra and nature chakra should be a big powerup, but it's probably toxic/corruptive to non-bloodline humans.
- Proposed super-training:
- Have Noburi drain the tinyist possible amount of nature chakra into his barrel.(if anything goes wrong, empty barrel immediately.)
- Subdue and dose a chakra predator/enemy ninja with the nature-tainted chakra to gauge lethality.(ideally something with large reserves to dilute the nature chakra)
- If a sufficiently small dose is survivable, begin carefully-monitored tolerance training to build up our tolerance/immunity to the toxic effects of nature chakra.
- Subdue and dose a chakra predator/enemy ninja with the nature-tainted chakra to gauge lethality.(ideally something with large reserves to dilute the nature chakra)
- What do you think? is this safe? any advice?
- Our big assumptions are that a low enough does is surviveable, and that tolerance training is possible.
- Have Noburi drain the tinyist possible amount of nature chakra into his barrel.(if anything goes wrong, empty barrel immediately.)
- Nature chakra has elements not found human chakra.
....Then hopefully they give us sage training "so that these idiots don't either get themselves killed" and/or so if we do get sage mode working, we owe them for it.
Not sure if serious of joking, but I wrote the damn thing. Hazou does have enough info to talk about alloying human and nature chakra, and has the means to start doing tolerance training. assuming that tolerance is possible, and that a low enough dose is survivable, this seems we have everything we need to try.
In fact, this might have a significant edge over normal sage mode training, because Noburi can very carefully drain 1CP(or less?) of nature chakra, while Jiraiya might have had to struggle to learn how to open himself up to nature chakra, while simultaneously learning how not to suck down 40+ CP of Nature chakra into his system and turn into a statue.(which sounds way harder).
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I see. Though note the macron. It's pronounced to rhyme with Ho-oh, not Mewtwo.
The bad news was that Kei's vision of the Armageddon Initiative was chilling: a world reduced to an endless spiral of cruelty and suffering, of hope kindled only to be snuffed out by despair when one recognised the reality around them, of human selfishness and ignorance and short-sightedness steadily digging an abyss beneath humanity's feet into which they were all doomed to one day plummet. The good news was that she felt no need to enact it after concluding that someone else had got there first.
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Unfortunately, I wouldn't say that he won those conflicts, so much as survived them.
Apparently, given the quantity of storage seals Hazou provided, Kabuto went ahead and sealed up every single Bones of Creation product Orochimaru had available. Hazou needs to filter it all by hand, since a healthy amount of was made before Orochimaru had a sufficient level of skill in the technique to make runic-quality substrate, but after that's done, you have access to 2,171 units of runic substrate, combining the crystal from the cave with Orochimaru's contribution.
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They were against S-Rank opponents. You got to scale down your definition of win for those kind of situations. /s
No really though, Nobs convinced three (3) Essies to do what he wanted. I genuinely fail to see how this was anything other than his win.
Hub, so soft confirmation that we can level BoC to 20 or so and use ES to filter the results. Rather than leveling it all the way to 30. We know it doesn't work for BoC 1 but I suppose that 20 or so is sufficient.
Well the XP will be nice at least.
He didn't irreparablely destroy his relationships with either party and somehow got them to agree to his terms.
Seems like a win to me, but then again I didn't see the rolls.
I read it as Kabuto storing the worthless stuff pre-BoC 30 and the useful substrate together, because he is not a rune guy and cannot tell, and Hazo having to sort it back out. Not confident that BoC 20 would work or what specifically you got 20 as a milestone from.
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That's not necessarily confirmation. "Filter it by hand" could just mean "manually check if each piece is actually useable".
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Is this "filter" as in "look at and separate the good from the bad" or "filter" as in "use Earthshaping's filter ability to make it all good"?
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There was a hidden modifier for Tsunade's opinion about the whole situation iirc. My guess is that the Essies were fully aware of the only mature solution to Noburi's dilemma. A bigger social win would have paid out more cooperation or goodwill.
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Kabuto's mad we're stealing so much of Orochimaru's attention, isn't he?
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KABUTO: Orochimaru-sama, the latest FGP ninja is ready for vivisection. This one has a peculiar condition of the chakra system I've never seen before. I've administered all the drugs, and set out your favourite set of tools--Kabuto's mad we're stealing so much of Orochimaru's attention, isn't he?
OROCHIMARU: For the next 6 hours, I will be on Sub-level 6, working on my current runecrafting project. Ensure that I am not disturbed.
Yeah, that's a valid reading as well now that I think about it. I would have said sort and not filter to convey that but I can see why EJ might have phrased it that way.
As for 20 as the milestone, BoC 1 is confirmed not to work, and 20 is the only other milestone.
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Earthshaping does not allow you to fix product from BOC. You will need to level BOC to 30 in order to make valid runic substrate.
That's what was intended, yes.
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Oooof, that puts BoC at ~230 xp from being useful. For context, it costs 555 xp to get earthshaping from 50 to 60.
.... if there's a 40 we really want, or technique hacking tweaks let us do jutsu of summon runes, we might actually want to do es 60 instead. Lmfao.
I've finally finished binging the entire quest. I'm not sure if I will be able to contribute much to the hivemind, but I must say it's been a wild ride catching up. I praise the authors for their delightful prose, their almost decade-long dedication to the story, and their commitment to following the will of Lord Jashin's dice.
It's darkly hilarious that Hazo has unwittingly dipped into treason against most of the leaders he's served under and yet outlived many of them. And so again we return to the holy land of possible treason, only this time sanctioned.
Here are some other random questions I had from the quest overall if any regulars care to discuss:
It's darkly hilarious that Hazo has unwittingly dipped into treason against most of the leaders he's served under and yet outlived many of them. And so again we return to the holy land of possible treason, only this time sanctioned.
Here are some other random questions I had from the quest overall if any regulars care to discuss:
Isn't it curious that out of all the times the clan suffered foul play that we never turn up concrete evidence for the culprits, only inferred suspects? From the bank run to Akane to a mysterious scarved figure, is this just a uniform failure of our investigative plans against various political actors, an underlying conspiracy like the Color Cabal, or some combination?
As I read mostly story-only, what was the thread's reasoning for having Akane test the EM nuke at the time? Were players anticipating a tactical-level nuke or a strategic-level nuke like the 10 mile storm it ended up being? I guess it was better to learn about it sooner than later, but she was already feeling bad about her war crimes and she didn't have a summoning scroll at the time to use it against the dragons.
Also would going the opposite direction for EM have created a similar nuke in the form of a firestorm? Or did it specifically depend on generating liquid air for the wide area effect?
If we want to create EM nuke runes, would this actually be effective at killing S-tier ninjas? The effect seems escapable due to the windup of EM and the static nature of runes unless they were too close to the rune in the first place. Maybe we could plant it with a dead man's switch as an insurance policy against Hidden Rain but that depends too much on Akatsuki believing us and not deciding to kill us anyway.
Did anything ever come of Kagome's "therapy" sessions with the Yamanaka? It feels like it just faded into the background, though I don't remember if the therapist survived the Collapse.
As I read mostly story-only, what was the thread's reasoning for having Akane test the EM nuke at the time? Were players anticipating a tactical-level nuke or a strategic-level nuke like the 10 mile storm it ended up being? I guess it was better to learn about it sooner than later, but she was already feeling bad about her war crimes and she didn't have a summoning scroll at the time to use it against the dragons.
Also would going the opposite direction for EM have created a similar nuke in the form of a firestorm? Or did it specifically depend on generating liquid air for the wide area effect?
If we want to create EM nuke runes, would this actually be effective at killing S-tier ninjas? The effect seems escapable due to the windup of EM and the static nature of runes unless they were too close to the rune in the first place. Maybe we could plant it with a dead man's switch as an insurance policy against Hidden Rain but that depends too much on Akatsuki believing us and not deciding to kill us anyway.
Did anything ever come of Kagome's "therapy" sessions with the Yamanaka? It feels like it just faded into the background, though I don't remember if the therapist survived the Collapse.
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THing is presumably what Ooh-boo-hoo did so idk
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I'll give some of these a shot. Welcome to the hivemind
Mostly a failure of our investigation plans. We have guesses for some of these, but our avenues for investigating them are dangerous. Re: Akane/Asuma's assassination, my personal pet theory is that Itachi put a long term genjustu on Kurenai during the Nagi battle and had been using her to get information out of the Tower. He chose to burn that asset when Asuma proved willing and capable of deploying EM. He doesn't actually want Leaf destroyed, which is why the rest of the Akatsuki don't know the truth about what happened to Isan. (Not proven, just pet theory)
We had done some calculations on what level EM needed to be to cause that effect and had finally leveled Akane's EM to that level. There was some disagreement on how destructive the effect would actually be. The results were on the high end of our estimates. The plan was to get her a summoning scroll after the fact.
It would not, it would just be very hot air.
The windup of EM is not long enough to escape unless you know what is happening and immediately start running using skywalkers. Theoretically possible for the Akatsuki to do this, but it seems unlikely. We would likely use this to assault fortified positions from a skytower above the site (such as the necromancy rift in O'Uzu).
Nothing really happened with this, iirc. To be fair, Kagome never blew up our enemies in Leaf, so... maybe it worked?
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You need to consider this.
See?
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Although, in fairness, essie rock-paper-scissors still applies here. Some of our foes may have the sort of countermeasure that survives this kind of attack. Going down the list:
- Deidara: if his clay dragons are significantly faster than skywalkers he'd need less advance warning to make it out safely, but otherwise it's a pretty solid kill.
- Hidan: wrecked.
- Itachi: can reverse summon with a small amount of forewarning. May unsummon right into the middle of it if careless. Otherwise, it's a pretty solid kill.
- Kakuzu: already ded, would've been helpless anyways.
- Kisame: same as Itachi, can reverse summon out of trouble, might unsummon carelessly into the middle of it, otherwise has no counter.
- Konan: Her "become a mile-long chakra construct inhabiting random scraps of paper" trick is OP enough that I could see it surviving an EM nuke.
- Sasori: You have to actually, you know, hit the right one, but if you do then it's all over.