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Buggy I respectfully disagree with you on multiple points but don't have time to respond in full right now - the strongest disagreement is on the general nature of Outer entities - it has been a consistent portrayal by every character in the know that the things Out there are *not* positively inclined towards humanity, and any contact with them is a mistake.
All of this points to a pretty clear picture. This is not a xanxia world with gods and demons and spirits and heavens and hells. This is a cosmological horror story. There isn't a King of Hell, or a Hell at all; Hell is human. So very, very human. Cthulhu does not make a Hell. Cthulhu doesn't even understand the concept of suffering.
I feel it should be noted that the entity Pain summoned was likely not an Out entity; it was a Naraka entity or some other different-Path entity. Modeling it after Out entities is about as valid as modeling Seventh Path denizens after Out entities.

Most important difference here is that Paths were heavily shaped by the Sage, who, roughly speaking, did seem to want to turn this cosmic-horror setting into an anthropocentric xianxia.

He did not succeed completely, and it does seem plausible that the afterlives specifically are under the control of the Five cosmic horrors. But I wouldn't be surprised if Naraka is indeed a human-ish Hell with a human-ish King of Hell in it, much like there's a genocidal human-ish military dictatorship over on the Seventh Path with a human-ish military dictator.
 
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I feel it should be noted that the entity Pain summoned was likely not an Out entity; it was a Naraka entity or some other different-Path entity. Modeling it after Out entities is about as valid as modeling Seventh Path denizens after Out entities.

Most important difference here is that Paths were heavily shaped by the Sage, who, roughly speaking, did seem to want to turn this cosmic-horror setting into an anthropocentric xianxia.

He did not succeed completely, and it does seem plausible that the afterlives specifically are under the control of the Five cosmic horrors. But I wouldn't be surprised if Naraka is indeed a human-ish Hell with a human-ish King of Hell in it, much like there's a genocidal human-ish military dictatorship over on the Seventh Path with a human-ish military dictator.
Hmm. Alright, that's fair. I have been generally assuming Naraka is just a empty wasteland sort of thing, but now that I think about it there's no particular evidence for that.

Though, oh boy, it will suck if we end up having to fight the governance of Naraka for resurrections.

Still though. There's also not a lot of evidence that it is ruled by anyone, nor that Pain made any sort of deal with them, nor what that deal would even entail. I still think 'Pain is going to go insane because he made a deal with the devil and the devil collected' is making a lot of leaps there.
 
Still though. There's also not a lot of evidence that it is ruled by anyone, nor that Pain made any sort of deal with them, nor what that deal would even entail. I still think 'Pain is going to go insane because he made a deal with the devil and the devil collected' is making a lot of leaps there.
Oh, sure, I agree with that part.
 
Okay, what sort of prep days do people want done next cycle? We probably have time for 6-7 or so. Assuming we work on no genin seals.

I think we should do:
Force Claws
Anti-Substitution Seals
STARS
Air Conditioning Seal
Ninja-radar Seal/Rune(?)
Reverse Chakra Filtering Rune(?)
Goo Grenade
Runic Goo Mine

And I'll edit others in.
 
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Okay, what sort of prep days do people want done next cycle? We probably have time for 6-7 or so. Assuming we work on no genin seals.

I think we should do:
Force Claws
Anti-Substitution Seals
STARS
Air Conditioning Seal

And I'll edit others in.

Runic CHAKDAR that detects chakra from Adjacent zones, out to... say, a mile or so? That way it doesn't read the false positives from our own chakra use, but we're still covered by the paper CHAKDAR seal.

It would serve as an early warning system for people heading our way.
 
Also, @Sir Stompy, what about a seal that filters out human chakra? Preventing human chakra from entering into a certain range of the seal? Ideally, tbis would hamper passive chakra regeneration in some way, or maybe even force the human body to accept non-human chakra from the enviornment (similar to how if you hold your breath for long enough, your body will force you to inhale... even if the room you're in contains only C02, and no 02).

We have a bunch if veterancy with interacting with environmental chakra from the Minatoseal chain
 
Also, @Sir Stompy, what about a seal that prevents filters out human chakra? Preventing human chakra from entering into a certain range of the seal? Ideally, tbis would hamper passive chakra regeneration in some way, or maybe even force the human body to accept non-human chakra from the enviornment (similar to how if you hold your breath for long enough, your body will force you to inhale... even if the room you're in contains only C02, and no 02).

We have a bunch if veterancy with interacting with environmental chakra from the Minatoseal chain
A seal that does this? Seems tough. Will consider.
Runic CHAKDAR that detects chakra from Adjacent zones, out to... say, a mile or so? That way it doesn't read the false positives from our own chakra use, but we're still covered by the paper CHAKDAR seal.

It would serve as an early warning system for people heading our way.
@eaglejarl @Velorien, @Paperclipped

Does chakdar detect ninja traveling at their normal 20mph travel speeds? They're not boosting, but my understanding is that chakra is used externally in some ways to keep them going.
 
If we're moving we can't keep burying our runes for later people to find. How about a rune that burns out another rune safely while burning itself out in the process?

Also a seal that does the same thing to other seals
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien, @Paperclipped

Does chakdar detect ninja traveling at their normal 20mph travel speeds? They're not boosting, but my understanding is that chakra is used externally in some ways to keep them going.
MfDverse medicine is not sufficiently developed to differentiate between normal biological processes using chakra and ninja-only normal biological processes using chakra, especially since chakra efficiency varies depending on a variety of individual factors. Mechanically, a jōnin can passively do things with their raw Athletics score, without chakra boost, for which a genin would to spend chakra on powerful ninjutsu. As such, chakdar is calibrated to work off an unambiguous "this is definitely a ninja power" baseline that won't give a false negative just because it's Zabuza doing high-intensity interval training around the corner rather than Sasha practising ninjutsu.
 
MfDverse medicine is not sufficiently developed to differentiate between normal biological processes using chakra and ninja-only normal biological processes using chakra, especially since chakra efficiency varies depending on a variety of individual factors. Mechanically, a jōnin can passively do things with their raw Athletics score, without chakra boost, for which a genin would to spend chakra on powerful ninjutsu. As such, chakdar is calibrated to work off an unambiguous "this is definitely a ninja power" baseline that won't give a false negative just because it's Zabuza doing high-intensity interval training around the corner rather than Sasha practising ninjutsu
So this is a "no it won't detect ninja while they're running long-distance unless they actively use chakra boost"?

Sorry, please use small words. 🙏

I'd say my brain is fried, but it's not.
 
[X] Sir Stompy

Seal (Goo!) Idea Post

Goo Bomb rolls min(maker's Sealing skill, 60) vs Athletics of anyone in range.

Anyone who loses acquires the Aspect "Stuck in Place", preventing Sprint actions and the use of Athletics as a defensive roll for the duration of the scene, for 30 minutes, or until they succeed on a Maneuver with an appropriate skill to remove the Aspect, whichever occurs first.

Goo Grenade
A Goo Bomb variant that only has an area of effect of melee-distance, instead of an entire zone. As a result, it is easier to dodge but is still useful when friendly-fire precludes using Goo Bombs.

Has a TN to dodge of min(Infuser's Sealing, 60) - 5.

Pyrophoric Goo Bomb
A Goo Bomb variant that spews out pyrophoric goo, which will ignite after a round passes or sooner if a Lightning or Fire technique making contact with the goo.

Upon ignition, everyone stuck inside gains the Aspect "Burning Alive" and takes three Energy:Fire stress per round.

Goopocalypse
A Goo Bomb variant that has a larger range, greatly increasing the danger of friendly fire but also making it harder to dodge at close range.

Has a TN to dodge of min(Infuser's Sealing, 60)+10 in the zone of activation, and a TN to dodge of min(Infuser's Sealing, 60)-10 in adjacent zones.

Goo Mine
A Goopocalypse variant designed as a pre-prepared trap. This seal is inactive by default, but can be 'armed' for a duration of 24 hours by pulsing chakra into it. The ninja setting the trap has a few minutes after sending the chakra pulse before the seal arms, after which any movement within melee range of the seal will set it off until the seal disarms the next day. This seal is immobile.

Runic Goo Mine
A runic version of the Goo Mine.
 
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@eaglejarl @Paperclipped @Velorien

What does the output of the chakrascope look like?

Does Hazou think it's something that we could stick on top of a chakdar and calibrate for "genin-sized chakra reserves or greater nearby"?

Happy to just drop a prep day on it too if that's too much information to ask for.
 
What does the output of the chakrascope look like?

Does Hazou think it's something that we could stick on top of a chakdar and calibrate for "genin-sized chakra reserves or greater nearby"?
The chakrascope seal has an array of dots on its surface, with each dot corresponding to (mumble mumble) chakra properties in the area immediately above the seal. The dots light up in different colors. The chakrascope seal definitely does not nicely combine with chakdar, nor would the research for something like you propose be trivial. However, Hazō sees no reason why it should be impossible, so you could try a prep day on the seal to determine whether or not the idea is viable.
 
Didn't we learn of a Minato seal that does something similar? If the way it conveys the data is different, then that might be a viable way.
 
Didn't we learn of a Minato seal that does something similar? If the way it conveys the data is different, then that might be a viable way.
  1. Creates a probably-invisible, tiny chakra construct that immediately dissipates.
  2. Creates a chakra construct that intakes a huge amount of environmental chakra, then slowly dissipates.
  3. Another chakra construct. This one holds the environmental chakra in it for a few minutes before dissipating.
  4. Another chakra construct. This one interacts with the environment around it in some unknown way.
  5. The same chakra construct as above, except the interactions are displayed on the seal. Kagome thinks there are similarities with his chakrascope seal.
  6. Another chakra construct that interacts with the environment around it, but this one channels an even huger amount of chakra.
  7. The same chakra construct as above, with interactions displayed on the seal. A scrawled note says "To do - ask Rin about med nin uses?"
  8. A variant of the seal above, taking in even more ambient chakra.
 
Thanks @faflec ^.^

Alas, it seems like the results are a visual display. I suppose we could slap such a combined chakdar onto our forearms or something?
 
  1. Creates a probably-invisible, tiny chakra construct that immediately dissipates.
  2. Creates a chakra construct that intakes a huge amount of environmental chakra, then slowly dissipates.
  3. Another chakra construct. This one holds the environmental chakra in it for a few minutes before dissipating.
  4. Another chakra construct. This one interacts with the environment around it in some unknown way.
  5. The same chakra construct as above, except the interactions are displayed on the seal. Kagome thinks there are similarities with his chakrascope seal.
  6. Another chakra construct that interacts with the environment around it, but this one channels an even huger amount of chakra.
  7. The same chakra construct as above, with interactions displayed on the seal. A scrawled note says "To do - ask Rin about med nin uses?"
  8. A variant of the seal above, taking in even more ambient chakra
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

After researching these seals all the way through, how does Hazou feel they compare to chakdar/chakrascopes? Especially #5 and #8?

Are they doing similar things? Do any of them seem like they're sending out a ping of chakra and recording what comes back?


Does Hazou think it's realistic to calibrate a variant to return a signal just from human ninja with genin+ reserves?
 
Interlude: Crossing No Man's Land

Despite the impenetrable, flawlessly-isolating barrier that was Kagome's armoured door, the former missing-nin was so attuned to the surrounding environment that he reacted before Kei could knock a third time. She listened to the dragging sounds of metal against metal as Kagome slid back the bolts, taking this final moment to organise her thoughts.

Why had she come? What purpose could this meeting possibly serve? She had laughed, instinctively, when Hazō proposed that she speak to Kagome and assist him with his personal problems, with the deep scars left behind by the betrayal that was Ami's adoption and the more gradual degeneration of his role within the family that Hazō himself was struggling to grasp.

Kei was not a healer. Even Akane had not dared to do more than subtly hint at future possibilities, which Kei had rejected out of hand. A slug stood only to lose from dreaming of flight.

Yet warped as the logic was, it was also inexorable. Their family had been collapsing, slowly, silently, ever since Akane's death. Noburi, her second-in-command on the emotional front, was unequal to the task of serving as her replacement–unlike Akane, who had been somewhat directionless and instead devoted herself to others' needs, he now possessed a medical career to devour his time and energy. Hazō himself was, needless to say, occupied with greater concerns, and while he sometimes demonstrated miracles of insight that made him seem a guru of personal problems, his failures were as devastating as his successes were extraordinary (and sometimes simultaneous, as with his unilateral adoption of Ami). Her mother was an eliminator of problems, not a solver, and her powers were too dangerous–to herself most of all–to utilise full-time. Yuno was of little help for similar reasons to Kei.

Kei feared to imagine what would have become of her after Isan's destruction and Ami's disappearance had she been forced to rely on the Gōketsu for support. She feared to imagine what would transpire should a blow of similar magnitude strike a family member without an external support network like hers.

"Hello, Kei," Kagome greeted her, laboriously dragging the behemoth open. "What's going on?"

Of course he was surprised to see her actively seeking him out. The process of elimination that had remorselessly marked her for this task neglected their usual dynamic: the two least sensitive and most volatile members of the family took care, by silent agreement, to limit direct contact, lest one carelessly trigger the other's MARS array of issues and catastrophe result.

"Hazō suggested that I speak with you," Kei said frankly, aware that the sophisticated social dance necessary to disguise the fact was beyond her. "I believe it is his impression that, as one who has miraculously achieved an acceptable degree of functionality in the face of a history of extensive self-loathing, realism, and suicidal ideation, I may be of service to you in coping with your own difficulties. Needless to say, the idea is wildly delusional, but I request that you humour him nonetheless."

"What difficulties?" Kagome demanded in the tone of a man unjustly accused of murder. "I'm not having any difficulties, Kei. That's just ridiculous. Everything is fine."

"Of course," Kei said placidly. "Then it will not concern you that Ami has just sent word of her return, together with a detailed blueprint of the room she wishes constructed next to mine, exploiting functions of the Earthshaping Technique which by rights she should have no way of knowing."

Kagome's eyes grew wide. "She what? I have to–I have to…"

He looked wildly around the room, his eyes stopping on various seal designs littering his desk and pinned to his wall, seeking, evaluating.

Then he deflated. "I have to do something…" he said in the voice of a man already defeated.

"That was an illustrative deception," Kei said. "Of course she has not returned to us."

Kagome glared daggers at her. "That was cruel, Kei. You know how I feel about Mori."

Kei nodded. "And as your response was to implicitly accuse and/or threaten my sister in front of me, I believe we are even in terms of offence given, while my point has been effectively made.

"I assure you, Kagome, that your frustration at being forced to tolerate the trust with which this clan has treated Ami, persistently ignoring your expert opinion that she is a threat, has been fully mirrored by my frustration at being forced to tolerate the suspicion with which this clan has treated Ami, persistently ignoring my expert opinion that she is trustworthy. I appreciate that you must have felt isolated and ignored, the others taking it for granted that you would suppress your true feelings and support them in the world they believed themselves to live in rather than the world that was real–not because I possess the least insight into human nature, but because I have felt the same."

"Huh," Kagome said. "Hearing you say that… after I take the Kei-ness out of it, that's actually a good way of putting it."

"None taken," Kei muttered.

"What?"

"Never mind," Kei said. "Then you feel my assessment of the situation is fair?"

"I get why they did it," Kagome said. "They made a point of explaining–once it was too late, anyway. Hazō is a good kid, always has been. Him wanting to offer somebody redemption from time to time is just the kind of thing you have to live with. It's how I ended up part of this family, and I was… well, I nearly killed him when we first met. Nothing like Mori and her silver tongue. And I get the politics angle, too. Even I can see how incredibly useful somebody like her would be as an ally–the difference is that they've let down their guard enough to think she can be an ally, and I'm sorry, Kei, but there's nothing you can say to make me believe that deep down."

"It is not my business to attempt to persuade you," Kei said. "By this point, I have accepted that she will earn your trust through her own actions."

The look Kagome gave her was not simply uncomfortable. It was haunted, to the point that for a second Kei felt remorse for what Ami's mere existence had inflicted on this man.

"That's what I'm afraid of," Kagome whispered.

This unproductive line of discussion was not what Kei had been aiming for, but she supposed there had never been any possibility of dancing around the Ami in the room when both of them had two left feet, no knowledge of the steps, and the coordination of a civilian stunned by a banshee wren.

"Regardless," Kei said, "I did not come to relitigate the merits of Hazō's overdue decision. Rather, it is out of a vague and unjustified hope that I will possess some insight which may somehow be of value to you.

"You have acknowledged your feelings of being ignored and isolated. I have recently developed a… converse perspective on the matter. After an incident in which Hazō failed to consult me as his sanity-checker, to predictable effect, I began to appreciate the privilege involved in that sometimes onerous role. It is a matter of discomfort to observe how others within the clan, though vastly more qualified than I in a variety of significant domains, are consulted only on matters directly within their purview, and otherwise kept from the levers of power–usually not out of distrust or disrespect, but simply because their opinions are… not necessary.

"Hazō has magnificently transcended his youthful flaw of disregarding others' humanity, and from a Nara perspective, constraining the number of parties involved is a perfectly rational approach to optimising the decision-making process. Yet what must the experience be on the other side of the divide, aware of the frequency and regularity of these meetings, yet so rarely invited to participate?"

Kagome looked at her thoughtfully. "You're a good kid too, Kei."

She gave him a look of deepest scepticism, such as would plumb the bottomless chasms to their limit and awaken the sleeping primordial horrors whose wrath once tore the caverns now known as Hidden Rock out of the flesh of the earth. Kagome appeared not to notice.

"It's not even that I mind so much," he said. "I know full well that I'm not the politician in the family, and economics sends me running to the willowbark drawer. Most of the time, I imagine you talk about stuff I wouldn't be able to help with anyway. But…"

"But there is no more efficacious means to degrade one's self-esteem than to witness one's loved ones treat one as surplus to requirements," Kei concluded. "I was only four years younger than Ami–a significant distance, to be certain, but not to the point that her conversations with my parents on abstract topics did not eventually become comprehensible to me. Yet it was not until I observed interactions among the Nara that I learned that it is not a given that a child be discouraged from participation in adult conversations, even banished should her ignorant comments be judged distracting.

"At the time, however, the experience only reinforced my conviction that I was a creature of a different species from Ami, and my business was to attend to my studies–which, I hasten to add, my parents supported and encouraged, in full understanding that utility cannot be reaped without investment–while leaving matters of import to those with actual competence."

"Kei," Kagome said, "I know we don't often talk, but I want to make sure you know your parents are terrible people, and you did not deserve any of that. Besides, look at you now, second-in-command of the smartest clan in the world, Queen of the KEI, one of the village's big movers and shakers–shows what they knew, huh?"

"The extent to which any of those were my achievements, or deserved in any way, is subject to debate," Kei objected. "However… I am in the process of re-evaluating certain life lessons that have shaped my identity. The process is slow and torturous, especially in Akane's absence, and plagued with subjectivity, as it is nigh-impossible for me to distinguish between those experiences which are natural to childhood and to which I merely overreacted as a result of my personal failings and those which were… abnormal, representing genuine harm. Sometimes I still wonder if the latter category actually exists."

This was altogether more openness than her relationship with Kagome merited, Kei was aware. She had not even discussed the subject with Hazō. However, Akane had led by example when offering vulnerability to earn vulnerability, and what Kei could not achieve through being a person deserving of trust, she could at least imitate for instrumental purposes.

"However," she said, having reached her limits, "I did not come here to speak of myself. My intended point is that any suffering on your part from feelings of uselessness or neglect is both legitimate and understandable. So much so, in fact, that even I can understand and accept it, despite my general obliviousness to the inner lives of others."

Kagome simply sat and stared at her for a while. It did not feel like a glare; rather, he was processing, and she, as the trigger, happened to continue to be in his field of view. Kei suspected it might be a social faux pas, so she made a note to research it in the library later.

"Hazō's surpassed me as a sealmaster, you know," he said eventually. "I'm ever so proud of him. 3D sealing, the art of the original masters, can you imagine? As his teacher, I always hoped–no, knew–that it would happen eventually, and look at him. Only sixteen, and he's already left me in the dust."

"You should perhaps refrain from discussion of certain topics in casual conversation," Kei said coolly. Honestly, how did this clan survive the periods of her absence?

"Oh. I mean, we were only talking about… about freebie stealing! Yeah! Hazō just loves the, uh, thrill of crime even when he's already getting the thing for free, everybody knows that!"

Kei sighed.

"Am I to assume, given the overall topic, that this jubilation at Hazō's success is not unqualified?"

"Well, that's the thing, isn't it?" Kagome asked. "What's the good of a teacher with nothing left to teach? Might as well stick old Kagome in a nice secondary research facility and let him tinker with his chūnin-level toys, maybe get him some more apprentices and see if any of them survive–not that they will because he's stupid and can't even drum basic sealing safety into their heads–while the special jōnin goes off to change the world and maybe finds time to come talk shop once in a blue moon.

"It's a good thing. It's how it's supposed to be. I get it."

"And yet," Kei said.

"Yeah," Kagome said heavily. "Sorry to be dumping all of that on you, Kei. Things aren't that bad. Honestly. I mean it. Just… everybody has their own stuff going on–you more than anyone, the way I hear it–and I can't just go complaining to them over every little thing. Heck, I'm the oldest one here. I should at least try to act like an adult."

"Adulthood requires relying on others for support when necessary, and if one is in doubt, then it is necessary," Kei said. "It is a lesson I am steadfastly failing to learn, but fortunately I have people who equally steadfastly apply it to my cranium with percussive force at regular intervals."

Kagome gave her a look she was unable to read.

"It was a good talk, Kei," he said, which she understood meant he wished to terminate the interaction. Frankly, she was amazed he had tolerated her blundering attempts at emotional connection this long.

His next words thus took her completely by surprise.

"We should talk more. Maybe you can come by again sometime?"

But... what of their carefully-maintained social no man's land? Had he forgotten that only cataclysm could come of their extended direct interaction, as on the day she received Mewhō from the Nara Keiko Fan Club, when he thoughtlessly touched her without warning and she equally thoughtlessly cursed him for that innocent mistake? No, safety could be found only in separation, for both their sakes.

"You know," Kagome mused as she failed to assent, "I came across a curious carrot cake recipe in an Akimichi cookbook the other day. Apparently, Fire Country walnuts really enhance the taste if you prep them right. Of course, the Akimichi love to exaggerate, and what's 'out of this world' supposed to mean anyway?"

"I believe that if I reorganise my itinerary, I can generate a free evening slot by the end of the week."

Kei suspected that a more insightful being than she could read volumes into the fact that over the last three years, she had been or become estranged from five different family members, or that she had successfully reconnected with them all, or that over half of the reconnections were in some way Hazō's fault.
 
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Absolutely amazing chapter, Vel.
I want to save the world and defeat death and Uplift everyone and yada yada as much as the next lurker. But really I just want my poor traumatized MfD blorbos to be happy ;_;
 
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